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Ben Safryn
01-17-2021, 06:34 PM
—-guess I can’t fix the title——
As part of a larger trade (including my first Parker) deal I acquired a Walter Clements 12b Laminated Steel barrel hammer sxs. Pics are below. All appears in great shape, and tight on face, with exception that (1) it seems the “firing” pin on the right barrel is frozen, as it doesn’t seem to move when the hammer hits it. And (2) I am unsure of the proof for these barrels. I am trying to decipher the proof marks and I other marks. If anyone has any info to share about this make, the vintage of gun, or laminated steel in general, I’d love to hear. Pics are clickable for larger versions.

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Rick Losey
01-17-2021, 08:09 PM
Belgium proofs

https://www.hunting.be/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Belgian-Proof-Marks.pdf

Brian Dudley
01-17-2021, 09:28 PM
For what that gun is, it is in great shape! Most like that are beat.

David Noble
01-18-2021, 02:28 PM
I couldn't make out all the proofs but from what I can see, it has just standard provisional proofs done in Liege. I do not see any nitro proofs or chamber length markings. I believe the choke diameter to be .717 right and .693 left. The amount of constriction would require the bore diameter to calculate.

Bill Murphy
01-19-2021, 05:33 PM
Don't bother to try to find a better one. There is no better one.

Ed Norman
01-20-2021, 09:31 PM
congratulations

charlie cleveland
01-21-2021, 12:46 PM
does this gun shoot the 12 b shell....I collect shells but have never had a 12 b in my collection...seen a few for sale but at very high prices..last one I seen for sale was 300 dollars for one shell....charlie