Remington Ammunition YouTube Message

[George Davis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgvoJKovIg

[edgarspencer]

Some chiche's never get worn out.

'You can please all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't please all of the people, all of the time.'

I would add, ' You can't please some of the people, ever'

[Bill Murphy]

"I got mine, now you get yours." Just joking, of course. I had a boss that used that line on his employees at a staff meeting. I made my decision then to bail out at the first opportunity. After 22 years of retirement, I have never looked back. Hunt, Fish, Die.

[Richard Flanders]

During one of the past ammo 'emergencies' - during the "O" administration, I think? - CCI was making 2.4million rds of .22LR per day and still couldn't begin to keep up. I've never forgotten that number. Bricks of .22LR were up over $50ea for a while and it seems that's what they're at here in AK now. What a crazy world.

[Jay Gardner]

Was in a local gun shop this PM and the guys behind the counter where blaming it on George Soros. I tried to explain that Soros had nothing to do with it but they were convinced.

[Jay Gardner]

During one of the past ammo 'emergencies' - during the "O" administration, I think?

Obama was the best thing to happened to the firearm industry in the past 50-years. I went out and dropped $1500 on an AR thinking I would flip it six months later for big bucks. LOL. Six months later the market was flooded with AR’s and I could t give it away.

[Richard Flanders]

You sure can now Setter Man! I paid $1100 for my Colt LE6920 and I see them advertised for $2500 up here now.

[Jay Gardner]

You sure can now Setter Man! I paid $1100 for my Colt LE6920 and I see them advertised for $2500 up here now.

Sure, new. But try to get $1100 for a used one or better yet, try to use it for trade toward something else. I’ve got an LMT Defender 90, paid $1500. Check out the prices for the used ones. You’ll find plenty to look through, all unsold.

[Frank Srebro]

JMO that the first part of Mr. Vanderbrink's video sounds a little too nasty for a company that should be sensitive to the market and presumably interested in customers' feedback whether right or wrong. I wonder if his Customer Service and/or Marketing people reviewed the video before it was released? Well anyway, with a significant increase in shooters, one major US company out of the ammo biz for months now, and uncertainties about the future I for one am not surprised at shortages and hoarding. Regarding shotgun ammo and primers, all this may not be a big deal for a chap who shoots at one or two events a year and pops a few caps while hunting small game or at grouse camp or wherever, but it’s a major problem for fellas that shoot clays every week or so at their local club or course. Do the math at 100 to 150 rounds average per week. Net, I and most of my shooting friends have been and are buying what shotgun loading components and shells we could/can find but without paying big premiums.

[Jay Gardner]

I agree that the first part of the video he comes across as whining but at least he recognized that it would be more effective to put out a long statement on YouTube vs a long statement in print which half the audience probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend. I’ll give him a “10” for form and a “C” for content.

[john pulis]

I did not see any Remington shells featured in his presentation. Could that be an indication of the future for Remington?

[Stan Hillis]

Does anybody body here know if his number was accurate when he said "Seven million new shooters since March"? That seems high, but if true it is good news for the nation. But, tough for those who need ammo during the shortage.

[Rick Losey]

the NICS checks have been setting records - June 2020 hit a high of 3.9 million alone.

the last total I saw for 2020 was approaching 30 million total

I am not sure how they decide how many are first time buyers - that's not a question I have seen, and checking the history to see if you have purchased before would not be possible as far as I know

also- the number of checks does not correlate to actual purchases - unless they give a column on denied checks - and some states require a NICS check to transfer privately - so for example - in NY - the letter of the law requires a check for an inherited or otherwise transferred long gun if the recipient is not a parent, spouse or sibling.

also several states currently have at least one qualified alternative permit, which under the Brady Act allows the permit-holder, who has undergone a background check to obtain the permit, to purchase a firearm from a licensed dealer without a separate additional background check for that transfer. New York pistol permits were all that was needed at one point to purchase, you asked the issuing county to run a Brady check ( I think it was every 5 years) and then your carry permit allowed you to skip the call -

so again - NICS checks is not an accurate way to count sales

[Jay Gardner]

Does anybody body here know if his number was accurate when he said "Seven million new shooters since March"? That seems high, but if true it is good news for the nation. But, tough for those who need ammo during the shortage.

I don’t know how anyone could calculate that number. Now, 7m firearms sold since March, I would believe. Im sure it’s been a great year for the firearms industry. Between those reacting to the orders to shelter in place in March; those in the suburbs intent on protecting themselves from the hoards of angry blacks intent on overtaking the suburbs; and, the usual “sky is falling” every time a Democrat is elected anywhere in the US it wound to surprise. Regardless. I doubt there are anywhere near 7 million new shooters in the US since March and I would question the reliability of any source that published that figure.

[Frank Srebro]

So yesterday while shooting clays a bud told us he saw an ad on C-List addressed to clerks who work in the sporting section of Wal Marts, to commission one or more to give him a heads up if/when ammo will be stocked on shelves. A sign of the times I suppose. The Wal Mart stores have been pretty much devoid of all ammo for a month or more now, at least hereabouts.

[Jay Gardner]

So yesterday while shooting clays a bud told us he saw an ad on C-List addressed to clerks who work in the sporting section of Wal Marts, to commission one or more to give him a heads up if/when ammo will be stocked on shelves. A sign of the times I suppose. The Wal Mart stores have been pretty much devoid of all ammo for a month or more now, at least hereabouts.

Last week I stopped in 5-different stores, including a BP and a Cabela’s, looking forward 20ga #6’s and the only 20 ga ammo I could find was #8. Rifle/pistol was even more scarce. Between production shut downs over the summer and fear mongering it’s not surprising that shortages exist.

[J. Scott Hanes]

I did not see any Remington shells featured in his presentation. Could that be an indication of the future for Remington?

John,
The footage for the video was taken at the Federal ammo factory, near the corporate offices of Federal. The Remington factory is in Arkansas. Both businesses are owned by Vista Outdoors but there will not be co-mingling of the brands unless there is some joint project. The processes and parts by which loaded rounds are produced are similar, but distinct. Therefore one would not expect to see both brands' products in the same facility.

[Kevin McCormack]

Last week I stopped in 5-different stores, including a BP and a Cabela’s, looking forward 20ga #6’s and the only 20 ga ammo I could find was #8. Rifle/pistol was even more scarce. Between production shut downs over the summer and fear mongering it’s not surprising that shortages exist.

Pretty much the same situation here in NOVA, except you can't find anything in 12 or 20 ga. target; its all mostly steel waterfowl loads or #4-#6 lead if they have it at all.

[CraigThompson]

I would add, ' You can't please some of the people, ever'

Me me me me :rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Pretty much the same situation here in NOVA, except you can't find anything in 12 or 20 ga. target; its all mostly steel waterfowl loads or #4-#6 lead if they have it at all.

I’m in the market for several bags of #4 and #6 shot and I found some but the shipping from AL is stupid expensive . The guy uses UPS only and six bags of shot we’re going to be $150 for the shipping alone . You could put it in three USPS Priority boxes and it would be $60 but you run the risk of it all disappearing in some deep dark hole in a Mail distribution center .

[John Dallas]

Craig - Folks on eBay will sell you empty shot bags for $40. Can't imagine what it would cost with shot in it

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, what do you need big lead shot in large quantities for? I have some and would be willing to trade it straight up for 7 1/2 or 8. No shipping. I live about 10 miles above the bridge, or 10 miles east of the ferry. I'm not sure what I have. PM me.

[CraigThompson]

Craig - Folks on eBay will sell you empty shot bags for $40. Can't imagine what it would cost with shot in it

A friend bought on Ebay what was supposed to be a 25 pound bag of shot 8's or 9's I forget which anyway he rolled in the shop with it one day carrying it as if it weighed 25 pounds then tossed it to me . The people put it on Ebay as a 25 pound back of shot , turns out it was a shot bag alright filled up with shelled corn or something like that . Needless to say he sent it back for a refund .

[CraigThompson]

Craig, what do you need big lead shot in large quantities for? I have some and would be willing to trade it straight up for 7 1/2 or 8. No shipping. I live about 10 miles above the bridge, or 10 miles east of the ferry. I'm not sure what I have. PM me.

Thanks for the offer but I'd rather add over swapping .

3 or 4 bags of this or the other I don't call large quantaties but granted for 4's and 6's thats more than the usual shotgunner around here will need . But to me large means dealing in 1/4 or 1/2 ton quantities . When I was doing the competitive skeet/trap thing 30 or so years ago I'd head up to Fairfax R&G and Jim Tyrell would hook me up with about 40 bags mostly 9's and 8's with 4 or 5 bags of 7 1/2 thrown in for good measure . And that would get me through about 2/3's of the trap/skeet season .

[CraigThompson]

Remedied the shot issue today . Ordered two bags magnum 4’s three bags magnum 6’s and s single bag of magnum 7’s all Peruvian Starshot . Could’ve gotten Lawrence for about five bucks more s bag but thought better of it . Not sure why I ordered the 7’s as I’ve never tried them before but what the heck .

[Peter A Van Tassell]

I agree that the first part of the video he comes across as whining but at least he recognized that it would be more effective to put out a long statement on YouTube vs a long statement in print which half the audience probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend. I’ll give him a “10” for form and a “C” for content.

I agree. But I would add, it may be a good idea to double check all this by going to the SEC (www.sec.gov) and finding their latest financial statements and projections. There may be some clues there, as to what is really going on. Stock symbol is VSTO.

[Pete Lester]

There has been no mention of the business practice called "Just In Time" production technique which reduces cost by reducing inventory. When demand is steady and predictable it works fine but when demand spikes as it has there is no cushion to deal with it sitting in warehouses and no additional raw material on hand to ramp up production. JIT production is a fairly new manufacturing practice and ammo shortages are a somewhat recent phenomenon. Politics and surging gun sales was simply the catalyst for a system that was operating on the thin edge of making just enough to meet demand. Don't hold your breath waiting for a CEO to tell you they were using a JIT model and it was overwhelmed.

[Chuck Bishop]

Your exactly right Pete. Any disruption in the supply chain and your screwed.

[Peter A Van Tassell]

There has been no mention of the business practice called "Just In Time" production technique which reduces cost by reducing inventory. When demand is steady and predictable it works fine but when demand spikes as it has there is no cushion to deal with it sitting in warehouses and no additional raw material on hand to ramp up production. JIT production is a fairly new manufacturing practice and ammo shortages are a somewhat recent phenomenon. Politics and surging gun sales was simply the catalyst for a system that was operating on the thin edge of making just enough to meet demand. Don't hold your breath waiting for a CEO to tell you they were using a JIT model and it was overwhelmed.

Yep. when I was a kid, we used to call that kind of thing, "cheap". But Nowadays its all respectable like, and it's called "maximizing shareholder value".