2021 Spring Southern - April 22-25

[Mills Morrison]

As of this writing, the 2021 Spring Southern Side by Side is on and scheduled for Thursday April 22 to Sunday April 25, 2021, at Deep River Sporting Clays and Shooting School in Sanford, North Carolina.

As we all are aware, things are uncertain in these times and forces beyond our control may dictate a cancellation. I will post on the PGCA forum about the event and will post updates there as they become available. For now, let’s hope we can all get together in April for some great shooting, great vendors and displays and, most of all, great fellowship.

For more information, feel free to shoot me a PM.

[ED J, MORGAN]

any info on motel reservations?

[Mills Morrison]

No info on hotels. I assume the Hampton will be where most people stay

[CraigThompson]

Well hopefully I can make my SECOND visit this coming year and this time stay a few days instead of five hours . Might even shoot a bit , I’ve not fired a gun in NC since the old Bingham and Parks club outside Winston Salem shut down about thirtyfive years ago .

[Bill Murphy]

Mills, we're ready for an update. Is Bill Kemfler making an effort to get approval?

[Mills Morrison]

The Spring Southern is still on at this moment.

[Randy G Roberts]

Mills, we're ready for an update. Is Bill Kemfler making an effort to get approval?

It is my understanding that Bill and Mary Kempffer are no longer associated with Deep River or the Southern. Deep River was sold to Ed Strickland who as I understood it has been there for a number of years. I spoke with a young lady at Deep River some weeks ago while making my plans and she informed me that Ed and herself were continuing on with the tradition of the Southern and were more or less learning as they go if you will. It sounds like most of the vendors if not all have already come on board. Not for me to know but she did make it sound as if the Southern would go on as usual. They do have a new vendor for the golf carts that had an email address that was in error. I would suggest that you call them vs emailing as it appears that address has not been corrected as of yet.

[Mills Morrison]

It is true that the Kempfers sold Deep River, but the new owners are continuing the same routine, as far as I know

[Craig Larter]

Mills and Randy thanks for the update. I am so hopeful the Southern takes place.

[Tom Wooden]

Josh Lowensteiner has arranged the hotel for the Southern per the post below:

PGCA Hotel for the Southern SxS Event

Hello Friends,

The PGCA will again have the Hampton Inn in Sanford reserved for our group this year. The hotel has completed a total renovation and is sparkling new according to the GM.

Here are the details:

Hampton Inn Sanford
1900 S. Horner Drive
Phone - (919) 775-2000
Rate- $140/night

Please call the hotel to reserve your rooms. The room rate was a tad higher than previous years due to the renovation. In a year when hotels have been hit so hard, I understand the hotel raising the rate and hope you will, too.

Looking forward to seeing everyone at this years event!

[CraigThompson]

Having not spent any time around Sanford other than a few hours four years ago , what’s the resteraunt situation like in Sanford ? Are there some decent not chain places to eat there ?

[Randy G Roberts]

Having not spent any time around Sanford other than a few hours four years ago , what’s the resteraunt situation like in Sanford ? Are there some decent not chain places to eat there ?

Craig you will not have any issues finding good food in Sanford.

[Bill Murphy]

Thanks for all your replies. It's like I opened the gate at the lion house. I got an email from the new golf cart vendor but have not tried the email. If it was incorrect, I'm sure it will be corrected. I had forgotten that the property was sold.

[Randy G Roberts]

Thanks for all your replies. It's like I opened the gate at the lion house. I got an email from the new golf cart vendor but have not tried the email. If it was incorrect, I'm sure it will be corrected. I had forgotten that the property was sold.

Tell me about it Bill. I got a call from the cart vendor out of the blue yesterday myself. I advised them of their email address issue which they were not aware of so it may be fixed now. Seems they called just to assure me that my card would not be charged in the "off chance" the event did not take place.

[Reggie Bishop]

:rotf:

Carts are for old people.

[Randy G Roberts]

:rotf:

Carts are for old people.

Old people and smart people IMO. I'll wave at you Reggie when we pass :bigbye:

[Reggie Bishop]

Smart certainly is not me!

[Brett Hoop]

I like to hang on to Carvel's. Plus its all Allis Chalmers orange so I can find it.

[CraigThompson]

:rotf:

Carts are for old people.

Do as you see fit ! But if I have a choice between riding all my junk around versus carrying all that stuff my fat ass is RIDING everytime :cool:

[Mills Morrison]

In light of these unusual times, who all is planning to come and, among the regular attendees, who is planning to NOT come?

Thanks

[Tom Pellegrini]

As it stands right now Mills I will attend.

[CraigThompson]

In light of these unusual times, who all is planning to come and, among the regular attendees, who is planning to NOT come?

Thanks

It’s my intention to make hotel reservations Tuesday for a Tuesday thru Sunday stay . Will the banquet be there this year , well if nothings cancelled ?

[Randy G Roberts]

In light of these unusual times, who all is planning to come and, among the regular attendees, who is planning to NOT come?

Thanks

Barring something crazy if it is on I will be there.

[Mike Koneski]

:rotf:

Carts are for old people.

When you shoot as many events as our crew does you DO NOT want to be walking!!

[Mike Koneski]

Our crew has rooms reserved since November-December. Worsley Carts called me back and is reserving my cart. After the 2020 disaster they will not be charging your CC until a month from the shoot. Last year they had to do all those CC refunds. That’s a royal PITA!! I spoke to Scott in the clubhouse and he said Bill & Mary we’re going to attend to greet everyone and yes, Ed Strickland is the new owner. Ed’s a good guy. Most of the attendees would have met him around the venue as he’s been the long time manager.

[Craig Larter]

The Fox Collectors will have a booth. Kevin, Daryl, Mike and I will be in attendance, not sure about Tool Man. Really hoping this happens.

[Jay Oliver]

I am planning to attend as well. I haven't been in 5 years, but I really need it this year.

I am hoping to get there on Thursday to shoot in both the Black Powder event(with a lifter) and then the muzzleloading event(which should be fun too). Then I will shoot in a few other categories Friday and Saturday.

It will be great to see many of you in the Parker tent again!

[Mike Koneski]

The Fox Collectors will have a booth. Kevin, Daryl, Mike and I will be in attendance, not sure about Tool Man. Really hoping this happens.

Don’t feel bad Craig, we’re not sure about Tool Man either!! :rotf::rotf::rotf:

[CraigThompson]

I’ve not gotten a hotel reservation as of yet . But I’ve got the even more important golf cart lined up already :cool::rotf:

[Sara LeFever]

In light of these unusual times, who all is planning to come and, among the regular attendees, who is planning to NOT come?

I am not planning on attending. I will certainly miss everyone and the nice weather.

Sara

[Jeff Kuss]

The Parker Foundation Hall of fame Dinner has been canceled for 2021 at the Southern.

[Carvel Whaley]

I plan on being there if nothing happenings to prevent. Will likely arrive Wed. afternoon and leave Sun. morning. Carvel

[Mike Koneski]

Carvel, Team Parker wants YOU!!

[Carvel Whaley]

Looking forward to it Mike. Carvel

[Rich Anderson]

I'll miss it this year, but will save thousands of dollars:rotf:

[Bob Decker]

The Lefever Arms Collectors Association plans to be there with a display. We will not be holding the Uncle Dan Cup there this year, that will be held at the Northeast Side by Side at Hausmann's in June.

[CraigThompson]

Well FWIW at this point I have a room and cart reserved . Arrival on Tuesday the 20th and departure Sunday the 25th .

[Mike Koneski]

WHY?

Virus restrictions for indoor gatherings.

[Jeff Kuss]

There is a lot of planning and preparation to make this event happen. There is also nonrefundable fees
to reserve th facility. Without knowing if the Southern would even happen, the Board decided to wait a year.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I'm 50/50 right now. Probably wouldnt get there until Wed evening. I could use a get away, and besides someone has to be there to control Brett Hoops.

[Brett Hoop]

Harold

Very true, and thank you for your concern. I am getting better, last time I only bought a book and a Parker vise. This year I may not even attempt to compete for the oyster record at the Sea Breeze.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Just let me carry your wallet, and we will avert any crisis.

[Randy G Roberts]

Harold

Very true, and thank you for your concern. I am getting better, last time I only bought a book and a Parker vise. This year I may not even attempt to compete for the oyster record at the Sea Breeze.

Brett did you mean the Bay Breeze possibly or is there a Sea Breeze ? I have not been to either so you and Harold may need to drag me along one evening to expand my horizons.

[Brett Hoop]

Randy

Your likely correct, it's on N. Horner 1400 block. You'd be welcome anytime. Fried, but I hear if you cut it after with a bit of bourbon or Scotch it's healthier.

[Bill Murphy]

Please start a new thread for Hausmann's or participate with another thread. This thread is too busy with the Southern.

[Bob Hayes]

Just got my reservations for hotel and spoke with a couple venders.
Excitement in the air.

[keavin nelson]

Room is booked as is a cart! Will be in Friday am. First year for me, and looking forward to it!

[Chuck Bishop]

Keavin, what's the price on the cart?

[Craig Larter]

Room booked, fingers crossed.

[Brian Dudley]

I too have booked a room. And the rest is based on the event happening.

[Bob Hayes]

Venders are booked I'm sure Deep River is needing this and besides all everyone has to do is one person per golf cart.That cleaned things up nice here in Florida on the golf course.

[Daryl Corona]

Venders are booked I'm sure Deep River is needing this and besides all everyone has to do is one person per golf cart.That cleaned things up nice here in Florida on the golf course.

Are you saying that only one person is allowed on a cart?

[CraigThompson]

Are you saying that only one person is allowed on a cart?

When I ordered mine the lady said 2 person , 4 person or 2 person with a back . I took the 2 with a back area . If this thing comes off I’ll take a passenger if they want a ride !

[Bob Hayes]

The powers that be decided when opening things up that we could play golf but only one person per cart here in Florida.Been that way for months.Foursome with four carts.

[Daryl Corona]

The powers that be decided when opening things up that we could play golf but only one person per cart here in Florida.Been that way for months.Foursome with four carts.

Ludicrous is the only word that comes to mind.:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::bang head::banghead:

[Bob Hayes]

Crazier than who's President right now???
Not to worry we're going to Sanford thank God

[Rick Roemer]

Room booked. Probably getting there Thursday evening

[CraigThompson]

If I arrive on Tuesday as planned how far is that Drakes place from Sanford ? Thinking if I get down there by noon I might go to Drakes and shoot a round .

[CraigThompson]

I just googled the place seems they’re not open on Tuesday . So much for that idea ! But I did mapquest and it was saying 40-42 minutes from Sanford .

[Bob Hayes]

Its not that far I've shot there several times I think 30mins.Nice couple of tracks

[Mike Koneski]

We arrive late Tuesday afternoon. The pump gun and black powder are on Wednesday. We have rooms at the Bay Breeze too. Tell me about the oysters!! I like oysters!! Sent my registration in by fax today. Only 13 events plus Challenge events this year for me. 😁😁

[Bill Murphy]

The Bay Breeze is a hotel??

[Mike Koneski]

Bill, it’s not just a fancy drink with a tiny umbrella in it anymore.

[Joe Graziano]

Room and cart booked! Can’t wait.

[Steve Pacilio]

I thought pump gun and black powder events were Thursday?

[Mike Koneski]

I thought pump gun and black powder events were Thursday?

No sir, the pump, black powder and muzzle loader are Wednesday so they don’t interfere with the regular events.

[Randy G Roberts]

The schedule says April 22 which is Thursday.

[Mike Koneski]

I thought it was Wednesday! My bad. Those are the only events on the course Thursday. I’m hoping the sub-gauge and 10g Challenge events are Wednesday. I will find out.

[Mike Koneski]

Got in touch with Rick. He said the "dove field" will be set up for practice Wednesday. The small gauge challenge will be shot on Thursday and the main challenge will qualify all day Friday and Saturday morning. Not sure about the 10g?

[CraigThompson]

Got in touch with Rick. He said the "dove field" will be set up for practice Wednesday. The small gauge challenge will be shot on Thursday and the main challenge will qualify all day Friday and Saturday morning. Not sure about the 10g?

Okay I’ve asked before about chokes for the course if my memory is correct I was told IC/M was plenty . But for the five stand challenge thing are they typically longer targets ?

[Randy G Roberts]

Not all of them Craig but Rick generally has a couple with a little length. I would prefer my open tube to be a M on the challenge course based upon the past few years.

[Mike Koneski]

Choke is irrelevant. Put the muzzles at the right place and the bird will break, Grasshopper.

[Mike Koneski]

The Hammer Gun Challenge will be shot Sunday AM to early afternoon. Shoot to qualify and usually the top 5 or 10 scores from each team will be the official Challenge scores and will determine the Team and individual winners.

[Mills Morrison]

The Southern is still on and we even have some folks who weren’t coming changing their minds and coming! Tom Archer and I have been monitoring the situation closely.

I encourage those on the fence to make plans to come. It will be great to see some old friends after a long hiatus

[Mills Morrison]

All ahead full! Please make plans to come if you can. Several folks who were not coming have changed their minds.

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[Mike Koneski]

We're arriving Tuesday late afternoon. Bringing plenty of ammo. Shooting Drake Landing Wednesday AM and everything I can at Deep River Thursday-Sunday.

[Mills Morrison]

A few people will be there Tuesday.

[Garry L Gordon]

So, the annual meeting will be in June and not held in conjunction with the Southern, yes?

[CraigThompson]

We're arriving Tuesday late afternoon. Bringing plenty of ammo. Shooting Drake Landing Wednesday AM and everything I can at Deep River Thursday-Sunday.

I’ll be down Tuesday at some point . Have you guys got room for one more at Drakes ?

[CraigThompson]

Is there going to be ANY separate 8 gauge event at Deep River ? I see nothing for the course , is it possible there’ll be some sort of 8 gauge challenge event ?

[Mike Koneski]

I’ll be down Tuesday at some point . Have you guys got room for one more at Drakes ?

Yes sir, there will be room for you Craig. 😁

[Mike Koneski]

Is there going to be ANY separate 8 gauge event at Deep River ? I see nothing for the course , is it possible there’ll be some sort of 8 gauge challenge event ?

A few years ago there was an 8 Bore event with loaner guns. Hasn’t been any 8 bore event there since.

[Mike Koneski]

So, the annual meeting will be in June and not held in conjunction with the Southern, yes?

Correct. It will be during Ernie Hausmann’s shoot in June.

[CraigThompson]

A few years ago there was an 8 Bore event with loaner guns. Hasn’t been any 8 bore event there since.

Well I might just bring one anyway seems like I’ll have close to a dozen guns as it is so one more won’t hurt :rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Yes sir, there will be room for you Craig. 😁

Thank you sir !

[Mills Morrison]

I shot one of my EH’s in the qualifying round a few years ago. It was a blast

[CraigThompson]

I shot one of my EH’s in the qualifying round a few years ago. It was a blast

Which day do you anticipate arriving ?

[Randy G Roberts]

Kris from RST was kind enough to call yesterday and bring me up to speed on their present status with production and plans for the Southern so that I may inform the PGCA members. As you might expect they are having a difficult time with components, plenty of hulls but limited goods to put into them. When they do receive a shipment it is rarely the amount ordered nor adequate to meet their demands. They are being inundated with orders and probably could not keep up if they had the components. Interesting to note that part of the issue is that their shells are being ordered by anyone and everyone who has a need for shot shells and not just the vintage gunners. As we all know ammo is hard to find and with the help of Google folks are buying it wherever they can find it.

In terms of the Southern their attendance is an uncertainty as of right now and may remain so until the last minute. Obviously if they have no product or not an adequate amount they will not be there. On the other hand if components should show up Kris has made it clear that they will do everything they can to get something put together and make the trip. For those of you planning on filling your RST order, stocking up, or just buying RST ammo at the Southern you may have an issue. Wish I had better or more definitive news but the situation is what it is. I will put this on my calendar and touch base with Kris again in 30 days or so and report back. In the meantime place your order and you may get lucky, some folks have.

[Mills Morrison]

Which day do you anticipate arriving ?

We'll get in late Thursday

[Carvel Whaley]

Mike, what time are you planing on arriving at Drakes on Wednesday. I may try to make it.
Carvel

[Mike Koneski]

Mike, what time are you planing on arriving at Drakes on Wednesday. I may try to make it.
Carvel

Probably 9-10ish? I can let you know Tuesday evening.

[CraigThompson]

Whats the usual amount of shells needed for all "The Challenge" events ?

I assume 100 will get you thru the prelims and the main if I'm not mistaken .

But what about 10-16-20 Challenge events or will there be such animals this year ?

[Mills Morrison]

Bring a lot more than you think you need, is the best advice.

In normal years, RST is there and you can load up with them, but their attendance looks iffy at best this year.

[Randy G Roberts]

Whats the usual amount of shells needed for all "The Challenge" events ?

I assume 100 will get you thru the prelims and the main if I'm not mistaken .

But what about 10-16-20 Challenge events or will there be such animals this year ?

The challenge events typically are 30 to qualify and another 30 if you make the team excepting the Parker/LC Smith challenge which is 50 to qualify and 30 for the event. It may take more if you are involved in a shoot off. Then there is the practice 5 stand, sporting clays course with a variety of events/gauges, and who knows what I am forgetting. Mills is right, bring more than you think you will need. There's a a lot of opportunity as it is a target rich environment. Our Editor probably shoots some 3 flats or more at the Southern. :corn:

[CraigThompson]

The challenge events typically are 30 to qualify and another 30 if you make the team excepting the Parker/LC Smith challenge which is 50 to qualify and 30 for the event. It may take more if you are involved in a shoot off. Then there is the practice 5 stand, sporting clays course with a variety of events/gauges, and who knows what I am forgetting. Mills is right, bring more than you think you will need. There's a a lot of opportunity as it is a target rich environment. Our Editor probably shoots some 3 flats or more at the Southern. :corn:

I'd already calculated what I'd need for the course and Drakes . But I wanted an idea for the Challenge stuff and if there were just the open event or some smaller gauge Challenge events on wednesday or thursday . I think in the past you guys have done Parker vs Smith with 10 , 16 , 20 and I think 410 . Was just trying to get an idea for that .

I'd already calculated for the course events and a round at Drakes as well as 100 for the Challenge itself and was up to 1000 total . Maybe a sixty extra for the 10 , 16 and 20 will be sufficient .

[Mike Koneski]

3 flats?? Geez Randy, it’s not uncommon for the editor to shoot 1000+ rounds easily!! 😂

[Brett Hoop]

:bowdown:Hmmm........Me think you ran the 16Ga and what else?

[Mike Koneski]

Down 1 on the 20g and down 1 on the 10g. I’ll have plenty of ammo and doubles for shotgun fun!! Cocked, locked and ready to rock, Doc!!

[CraigThompson]

3 flats?? Geez Randy, it’s not uncommon for the editor to shoot 1000+ rounds easily!! 😂

Back in the day (like 30+ years ago) 400-600 shells at trap and or skeet over a Friday to Sunday event was the norm , but I never got close to a thousand over four days :eek:

[Randy G Roberts]

3 flats?? Geez Randy, it’s not uncommon for the editor to shoot 1000+ rounds easily!! 😂

My apologies for shorting you Oh Great One.:bowdown:

[Brett Hoop]

Craig

I’ d tell you to ask Danny, but he would likely tell you he just watches the springs on the Suburban.

[Mike Koneski]

My apologies for shorting you Oh Great One.:bowdown:

Get up, get up. You’re worthy!! 😂😂😂

[CraigThompson]

Craig

I’ d tell you to ask Danny, but he would likely tell you he just watches the springs on the Suburban.

I’ll see him next Monday at a quail thing :whistle:

[Pete Lester]

Back in the day (like 30+ years ago) 400-600 shells at trap and or skeet over a Friday to Sunday event was the norm , but I never got close to a thousand over four days :eek:

A three day state championship trap shoot was/is a 700 target program, add a few practice rounds and shoot offs and it's 800+. Maine has held some 4 day 1000 target state shoots in the past. Maine and NH State championships were for a time on back to back 3 day weekends which made for a lot of shooting.

[Mike Koneski]

Pete, that much shooting makes the trip worthwhile!!

[Carvel Whaley]

At the last Southern I shot upwards of 1500 shells, the five stand can burn up some shells. Hope it happens and the weather is good.
Carvel

[Mills Morrison]

Everything seems all ahead full at this point. Looking forward to seeing everyone.

[CraigThompson]

A three day state championship trap shoot was/is a 700 target program, add a few practice rounds and shoot offs and it's 800+. Maine has held some 4 day 1000 target state shoots in the past. Maine and NH State championships were for a time on back to back 3 day weekends which made for a lot of shooting.

VA state skeet shoot back then was 600 over 4 days . Prelim on Thursday , 410 and 28 Friday , 20 and doubles Saturday then the 12 gauge event on Sunday . I think they’ve turned the gauges around now so folks can get oughtta there quicker on Sunday since way fewer 100’s with the 410 . I never did the VA State Trap except the 50 bird SxS thing a couple times . But any trap shoots I did were generally just 200-16 , 100 handicap and 50 pair of doubles . Trap never turned my crank as skeet did .

[CraigThompson]

Pete, that much shooting makes the trip worthwhile!!

I’m thinking four guns on the course Friday and the same Saturday . Throw in the 12 , 16 and 20 challenge stuff and perhaps some sort of 8 gauge deals put together . And 100 at Drakes on Wednesday that’s loosely 700 . And maybe throw in a 410 hammerless for good measure brings it up to 750 . That’ll quench my thirst an tire me the heck out !!!!!

[William Davis]

Issue with how many shells is which gauge gun will you shoot most. I don’t know until I start shooting. 12 & 20 fairly easy to estimate, could make a long run with 16 or 10 if they feel right. All 4 can enter Hammer or Hammerless. Typically carry 1200 + and a mild consumer of shells. No 410 or 28 & don’t shoot the challenge 5 stand field. Challenge course alone can use up large quantity of shells. Most shoot multiple practice rounds before the challenge itself.

Off site Rose Hill on the drive down has two courses full and a nice short sub gauge. Drakes has two courses and can stop at Kidds place or Hunters Pointe way home.

Have often relied on RST trailer to fill in, not a sure source this year. Bring all you can carry best plan.

William

[Mills Morrison]

Hope everyone has their hotel reservations lined up and is counting down the days! Also, probably a good idea to stock up on ammo as I am not sure about RST coming.

[Mills Morrison]

RST is officially NOT coming to the 2021 Spring Southern.

[Mills Morrison]

. . . But they do expect to come to Hausman's. They are really bummed about not seeing everyone at the Southern.

[Brian Dudley]

Come prepared with Shells.

[Mills Morrison]

Come prepared with Shells.

Yep. I am going to talk to Deep River about what kind of supply of shells they may have and will report back. If you are coming and are planning to shoot, you should probably bring a supply.

[Rick Roemer]

I ordered from RST in anticipation of them not coming. Order was delivered in about 7-10 days. Sorry they won’t be there.

[John Bastiani]

Does anybody have directions on how to get to the event once you leave Sanford? Its probably been posted but I haven't seen it.

[Reggie Bishop]

I do not have directions but if you have GPS in your vehicle it is an easy find. Out in the country but not difficult.

[John Bastiani]

I would prefer to have directions that I can write down if possible.

[Garry L Gordon]

I would prefer to have directions that I can write down if possible.

John, Here is a link to a google maps with step-by-step directions from Sanford to Deep River: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sanford,+North+Carolina/Deep+River+Sporting+Clays+and+Shooting+School,+284 +Cletus+Hall+Rd,+Sanford,+NC+27330/@35.5236729,-79.2046772,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca38c6e5a1c c9:0x33e094f5b0279618!2m2!1d-79.1802994!2d35.4798757!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca314b7ca41 fb:0xc97a41898fe7533c!2m2!1d-79.086566!2d35.567139!3e0

[Mills Morrison]

Google Maps or GPS is the best way. There are a lot of turns

[John Bastiani]

John, Here is a link to a google maps with step-by-step directions from Sanford to Deep River: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sanford,+North+Carolina/Deep+River+Sporting+Clays+and+Shooting+School,+284 +Cletus+Hall+Rd,+Sanford,+NC+27330/@35.5236729,-79.2046772,12z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca38c6e5a1c c9:0x33e094f5b0279618!2m2!1d-79.1802994!2d35.4798757!1m5!1m1!1s0x89aca314b7ca41 fb:0xc97a41898fe7533c!2m2!1d-79.086566!2d35.567139!3e0

Okay-Thanks

[William Woods]

I would like to attend one of these before I am gone, but my setters like to eat. I hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable trip.

[Keith Sirmans]

I can only make it on the thursday or sunday. Which day would be better?

[Andrew Sacco]

I have that Thursday and Friday off, and was thinking of making the trek down super early Thursday morning (9 hours for me). Staying the day thursday and half day Friday. Have to be back before Saturday. I won't shoot as I'll be alone. Is there enough to keep a person occupied for two half days when not shooting? And how would I find other PP (ParkerPeople)? It is competing hard with trout fishing at my club.

[Bob Hayes]

There is plenty to do for two days let alone half days.You'll walk thru two maybe three times and see plenty you missed the first two times.Then you'll want to haggle for items.
Thursday I would think would be the best.Never know what you missed by Sunday.
You can't miss Parker Bros. or anyone else for that.

[MattHaney]

That's a tough one Keith...Thursday will see the vendors getting set-up, but some not displaying their full wares. And Sunday, unless you get there early, sees them packing up, and (hopefully) with a depleted stock. I think I'd pick Thursday if those are my only choices. ----Matt

[Bill Murphy]

Directions are determined by where you are in the Sanford area. It's the same no matter where you are in the USA. You have to have a starting point.

[CraigThompson]

I have that Thursday and Friday off, and was thinking of making the trek down super early Thursday morning (9 hours for me). Staying the day thursday and half day Friday. Have to be back before Saturday. I won't shoot as I'll be alone. Is there enough to keep a person occupied for two half days when not shooting? And how would I find other PP (ParkerPeople)? It is competing hard with trout fishing at my club.

I’ve only been once about four or five years ago . Flew down with a friend on Saturday . We arrived in the little airport that’s maybe four miles away the way the crow flies and stayed about five hours . No shooting I looked all the tables over quickly then went back a second time to see a few things again . I didn’t buy anything but saw plenty I’d like to have walked away with . This time I’ll be there for the duration and I suppose it’ll be more about socializing than anything although I plan to make a gun go bang a few times .

[William Davis]

It’s easy to shoot the course by yourself. No squads carry your card & hand it to the trapper first come first served. Short walk around the course too. Lot of events on the program, it’s one course all events. Traps & stations on the course set for two gauges, large 16 & over and small 20 & under.

William

[Randy G Roberts]

I have that Thursday and Friday off, and was thinking of making the trek down super early Thursday morning (9 hours for me). Staying the day thursday and half day Friday. Have to be back before Saturday. I won't shoot as I'll be alone. Is there enough to keep a person occupied for two half days when not shooting? And how would I find other PP (ParkerPeople)? It is competing hard with trout fishing at my club.

Andy there are lots of folks there to shoot with, traveling alone is a non factor, zero. If you are going to try and do/see it all in a short period I would suggest that you rent a cart.

[Andrew Sacco]

Thank you for the helpful replies! I fear if I go down I'll come home with Parker number 7, number 6 is on her way to me shortly. And I've only been at this a year, this is worse than crack (so I hear...)

[Joe Graziano]

Andy, you’ll find a great and very welcoming group of guys. I attended the NE SxS for the first time and was shooting alone, as I was at my first Southern. I had always attended the Vintagers in MD with my father and son and really didn’t interact much. It was our grandfather, son, grandson time. But attending alone a couple years ago, asked a group if I could join them and we shot together the entire weekend. We’ve also been friends since and I look forward to seeing some of them at the Southern. You meet some really fine folks at SxS shoots.

[Brett Hoop]

Andy

Think of it as a continuing eduction course that you want to take. And you won’t be bored with this one. Some people are really good at evaluating photos, but at least for me, my hands tell me a lot about a Parker gun. Part of their magic is in the balance and handling they all aren’t the same. You are likely going to see more Parkers there than any other show. Yes it can be true you may find something you didn’t even know you wanted, but that’s part of the fun. And you can’t swing a cat without hitting a member of the PGCA.

[Craig Larter]

I am getting so excited, the anticipation is killing me. It's been a long time in coming. Now the planning begins----what guns to bring?---should I bring anything to sell or trade?----how do I spend my time shooting or shopping?----what may walk into the Fox booth?----So many people to say hello to and meet others in person that you have met on the collector forums. BIG FUN!

[Mills Morrison]

I am getting so excited, the anticipation is killing me. It's been a long time in coming. Now the planning begins----what guns to bring?---should I bring anything to sell or trade?----how do I spend my time shooting or shopping?----what may walk into the Fox booth?----So many people to say hello to and meet others in person that you have met on the collector forums. BIG FUN!

Amen! It is not too late for those who were not planning to come to change their mind and make plans. It will be great to see everyone after such a long time.

[Bob Jurewicz]

Craig, you are not alone with excitment. I've been packed for about a week.
Bob Jurewicz

[CraigThompson]

I am getting so excited, the anticipation is killing me. It's been a long time in coming. Now the planning begins----what guns to bring?---should I bring anything to sell or trade?----how do I spend my time shooting or shopping?----what may walk into the Fox booth?----So many people to say hello to and meet others in person that you have met on the collector forums. BIG FUN!

Bring atleast one of your Mountain Howitzers and we can shoot them somewhere just for the heck of it :whistle: I’ll have Brutus and Brutus II there .

[Randy G Roberts]

Craig, you are not alone with excitment. I've been packed for about a week.
Bob Jurewicz

Bob I seem to recall you having some dandy upgrades. Please do bring us some eye candy for the Parker tent display.:corn:

[Craig Larter]

Is there one of the 5 stands open for walk up practice shooting Friday and Saturday? I would like to schedule a 8 ga show ,tell and shoot. Thanks Craig

[Mills Morrison]

Is there one of the 5 stands open for walk up practice shooting Friday and Saturday? I would like to schedule a 8 ga show ,tell and shoot. Thanks Craig

Call Rick Hemingway. Maybe I will bring mine too

[Mills Morrison]

Per an email from Deep River today, they are ordering a ton of 12 gauge shells and are looking to add more. Seeing how many shells people go through, it is probably still a good idea to bring your own if you have them.

[Chuck Bishop]

They better get them Express if they can even get them. And if they get them, hold on to your wallet!! :whistle::banghead:

[Larry Stauch]

They better get them Express if they can even get them. And if they get them, hold on to your wallet!! :whistle::banghead:

That's the whole reason I decided not to come. I didn't want to ship guns, fly across the US and then not have any shells to shoot. May be next year.:crying:

[Mills Morrison]

That's the whole reason I decided not to come. I didn't want to ship guns, fly across the US and then not have any shells to shoot. May be next year.:crying:

Deep River is offering to have people traveling by plane ship ammo directly to Deep River. I would call and ask them about it

[Tom Wooden]

I talked to Rick Hemingway today regarding the events at the Southern Side By Side Event. He shared with me that he will be holding a 16 and 20 gauge event on Wednesday and Thursday, please see the information below. Rick also provided me the attached document of the various Parker/LC Smith Events. I hope this information is helpful to everyone and I look forward to seeing many of you.
Tom

Wednesday, April 24th & Thursday, April 25th
16 Gauge Event Located on 5-Stand 1
Wednesday 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM Entry fee $20.00 for 30 targets
Re-enter as many times as you like
Thursday 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM
Winning Team will be decided by the cumulative total of the top 5 shooters

20 Gauge Event Located on 5-Stand 2
Wednesday 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM Entry fee $20.00 for 30 targets – Re-enter as many times as you like
Thursday 8:30 AM to 5:00 PM Winning Team will be decided by the cumulative total of the top 5 shooters

*Note, both 5 stands can be shot for practice only, 30 targets for $20.00 Thursday

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[Mike Koneski]

Tom, we'll be there cocked, locked and ready to rock, Doc!!

[keavin nelson]

Question, with Thursday for "other" non SXS shooting, if I want to shoot a round with my cousin using SXS will I be able to? He wanted to shoot the family Parker and lives about an hour away.

[Randy G Roberts]

Question, with Thursday for "other" non SXS shooting, if I want to shoot a round with my cousin using SXS will I be able to? He wanted to shoot the family Parker and lives about an hour away.

Keavin it appears the "other" events you are speaking of run from about noon to 3:00 on Thursday. I would think you could shoot SxS on the course before or after. During those times if you cannot shoot the course with a SxS the 5 stand challenge events and practice 5 stand should be up and running and could give you some shooting opportunities. See you there !

[Mills Morrison]

The rules are the same as they have been in previous years, but for those new shooters and regulars who need a refresher . . . .


1. Competition is open to all members in good standing of the Organization (the LCSCA, or the PGCA) represented. Updated Membership rosters will be available at the both the LCSCA and PGCA booths inside the shared LCSCA/PGCA display tent for membership confirmation; and new member applications will also be available at both booths for those individuals wishing to join, or renew a membership to allow that individual to represent the Organization of his/her choice in the Challenge Event competition.

2. Members holding joint memberships in both the LCSCA and PGCA must choose ONE Association to represent in the competition; and will do so at the time of registration for Event One. Event One qualifying scores recorded by anyone who has registered, and participated for both Organizations during the Event One qualifier round will be disqualified.

3. Challenge Event entrants are required to be a member of either the PGCA or LCSCA but are not required to actually own a shotgun of the make related to the Organization they represent in the competition; but shooters are required to SHOOT with a double gun manufactured by the maker of the Organization they represent. Therefore, guns may be borrowed for use during the Challenge Event competitions; and arrangements for a loaner gun made at the registration table (see Equipment rules below).

4. Adult professional shooters (men and women), or an adult receiving a sponsorship/s in any form from dealers, industry, or any like organization/s are not allowed to compete in this event. An adult is defined as anyone aged 18 years or older.

GUNS & EQUIPMENT

1. Shooters must use a vintage double shotgun manufactured by the gun maker represented by their Organization. Those shooting LC Smith guns and representing the LCSCA are limited to LC Smith guns manufactured in Syracuse and Fulton, NY; and those manufactured under Marlin Firearms ownership in New Haven, CT. Those shooting Parker Bros. or Parker labeled guns and representing the PGCA are limited to Parker guns manufactured in Meriden, CT; and Ilion, NY.

2. Participants may use any hammer or hammerless model and grade of Smith or Parker gun produced by the above named original gun companies. Reproductions or modern/imported guns marketed under these famous trade/brand names are not allowed for use in this event.

3. Any gauge/bore size in which the Smith and Parker gun was originally manufactured may be used in the Challenge Event.

4. Modified and restored guns are allowed, including those with stock replacements or alterations, recoil pads, shortened or lined barrels, mono-blocked or sleeved barrels, screw-in chokes, etc. Guns used with relined barrels must be equipped with barrel liners of the same gauge in which the gun was originally shipped if the barrels of that gun, when manufactured, had been “fluid” steel.

5. Chamber inserts or chamber-size reducers (Chamber-Mates and similar devices), and full-length barrel inserts with gauge reducers are acceptable only for use in guns originally manufactured and fitted with Twist or Damascus steel barrels.

6. Shooters using guns equipped with screw-in chokes can do so, but such chokes may not be changed once competition has commenced; and this restriction applies to both the Event One qualifier and Event Two the Challenge Team Championship event.

7. The wearing of Eye and Ear protection is required of all competitors; and all ammunition used during any venue must be loaded with size 7 1/2 shot or smaller in conformance with insurance requirements in place at the Deep River Sporting Clays complex.


Event One Qualifier April 23, 2021


1. Registration for the Challenge Event will take place inside the LCSCA/PGCS Exhibition tent where the registrar will have on hand a current member roster for both organizations. At registration each participant will declare the name of the Organization he/she is representing, and the participants name will be checked to the appropriate member roster to verify current member status. Those participants, whose membership is verified as current, will then be allowed to register for the event. Participants whose name is not on the active member roster will be advised to return to the LCSCA/PGCA booth where they will take appropriate action to either 1) renew their membership, 2) join the organization of their preference, or 3) clear any issues that may have prevented their name from appearing on the currently active member roster. Once that issue is resolved, that member will be given a slip indicating his membership is current, which slip is then presented to the registrar to complete registration. Time will be a limiting factor for the Event One qualifier event, therefore LCSCA and PGCA members will shoot in mixed squads with the Organization represented by each participant noted on the registration form.

2. The Event One qualifier will consist of 50 targets to be fired on the Event One designated 5-stand layout/field. Registration will begin promptly at 8:15 AM Friday morning, April 23th, 2021; and shall continue until approximately 12:00 Noon (or until the last participant has shot his/her qualifier round) on Saturday, April 24. EARLY REGISTRATION is a MUST HAVE requirement in order to keep the Event One qualifying process moving in a timely and orderly manner, as time constraints will limit available shooter slots to approximately 125 total; so register early or risk losing the opportunity to participate.

3. An Event One Entry fee of $10 will be collected by the Registrar at the time of registration and membership verification; and all Event One participants will receive a custom designed participation pin to memorialize their participation in the 2021 LC Smith vs. Parker Challenge. All Challenge entry fees will be donated to a charitable cause selected by the management of Deep River Sporting Clays in appreciation for hosting the Challenge Event.

4. Each participant in the Challenge Event will be responsible for his/her own Target fees, set at $30.00 for the 50-target Event One qualifier; and said fees shall be paid directly to the 5-stand operator at the shooting venue (5-stand tickets may also be purchased in advance at the Deep River Club House; BUT DO NOT purchase a ticket at the Deep River Club House and go directly to the 5-stand with the expectation of registering and shooting immediately).

5. The Event One qualifier will begin at 9:00 AM sharp on Friday morning (4/23). As participants register for Event One, they will be squadded and assigned a specific shooting time; and all shooters are encouraged to be at the Dove Field shooting venue at least 15-20 minutes prior to their scheduled shooting time. Again, PGCA and LCSCA members will be shooting as part of combined squads based on registration order unless other accommodation is made at time of registration; and then only if it is possible to make such accommodation.

6. For early Challenge Event arrivals, a designated 5-stand practice venue will be open all day Thursday, April 22, 2020; and the same venue will also be open all day Friday, April 23, from 8:00 AM until closing; and on Saturday, April 24, until approximately 11:00 AM. Practice rounds will be available on a first-come/first-served basis; and the practice venue will consist of 30 targets. Shooter target fees will be $20 per round with those target fees paid directly to the clays vendor (or purchased at the Deep River office); but no target fees are included with the $10 Challenge Event entry fee. Shooters purchasing practice round tickets may only sign up for ONE ROUND AT A TIME, and may not place their name in rotation for another practice round until they have completed shooting their first time through the course.

7. Target presentation for the Event One qualifier will be 50 TARGETS fired on ONE 5-STAND course; and the target presentation shall be as follows: one (1) Report Pair followed by four (4) True Pairs at each of the five, 5-stand shooter stations.

8. During this 50-target Event One qualifier venue, shooters are allowed one gun malfunction with the opportunity to re-shoot any target/s lost as a result of the malfunction. Referees will verify any gun malfunction while the shooter maintains control of his gun with gun muzzles pointed in a safe direction. Any further malfunctions will result in a target/s scored as “Lost”; and the decision of the referee shall be final in all instances. Note: If a shooter calls “pull” and loses a target either because his gun was in the “On Safe” position, or he failed to cock a hammer; that over-sight does not qualify as a gun malfunction, and the target/s will be scored as “Lost”.


Event Two - Challenge Cup Shootout: 3:30 PM Saturday April 24,2021


1. At the conclusion of the Event One qualifier, representatives from the LCSCA and PGCA will, based on Event One highest qualifier scores, determine their 10 Challenge Cup Team members to represent their Associations. Should Event One results for either team result in tie scores for the tenth and final team position; the following tie-breaker rule will be utilized: the final team slot will be determined using the reverse long-run method (the longest string of targets scored broken counting from the last target presented).

2. Participants must report to the registration tent after Event One has been completed in order to determine their status for Event Two. Final scores will be tabulated by approximately 2:30 PM on Saturday, April 24; and the names of those ten (10) Challenge Team members for both Organizations will be posted to the leader board located by the entry to the Exhibition tent. Alternate Challenge Team members (those three members from each organization with the next highest Event One scores) will be asked to remain on stand-by should any one of the original 10 qualifying Challenge Team members be unavailable for any reason prior to the commencement of the Challenge Cup Shootout.

3. All Challenge Team members will be provided with commemorative caps (Red for Team Parker and Green for Team LC), and will proudly wear those hats prior to, during, and after the competition for Team identification purposes, and for Event related photos.

4. The Challenge Cup Shootout will begin at approximately 3:30 PM Saturday afternoon; April 24; and shooters representing each Team will report to their respective Team Manager not later than 3:00 PM for squad assignments and Team strategy sessions.

5. A coin toss will determine the start of the competition. Whichever team wins the toss has the option to either field the first team, or defer to field their team second. At that point the appropriate 5-man team takes the field with each team alternating thereafter until the Challenge Event shoot-out has been completed.

6. The course of fire for the Challenge Shootout will consist of THIRTY (30) TARGETS for each squad member fired as follows: one Report Pair and two True Pairs at each station. Target presentations will be completely reconfigured prior to the beginning of Event Two so that the “playing field” is leveled for each Team. Each Challenge Team member will be responsible for his/her target fees set at $20.00 for the 30 targets.

7. The Team who will lay claim to the 2021 Challenge Cup will be the Team registering the highest number of broken targets from the combined 300 target presentation format.

8. In the event of a tied team score, the Team winner will be determined by a shoot-off conducted from station three; with each team represented by the shooter from that Team who has the highest combined scores from Event One and Event Two. Tie scores for the “Top Gun” individual award will be settled in the same manner.


List of Awards:

Top Gun
Runner Up
3rd Place
4th Place
High Lady
2nd Place Lady
High Youth
2nd Place Youth (17 years and younger)

note: Lady and Youth shooters are also eligible to win the top Challenge Event awards based on individual performances.

INDIVIDUAL AWARDS DETERMINATIONS:

In the event of a tie(s) for any of the remaining individual awards, the ultimate winner will be determined by a shoot-off conducted immediately following the completion of the Challenge Shootout. It will be the responsibility of each competitor to determine if he/she might be involved in a shoot-off; and any qualifying shooter not present for said shoot-off will forfeit all claims to the contested award. Therefore, following the conclusion of the Challenge Shootout, each of the 20 competitors involved are hereby strongly encouraged to determine their scores and ranking before leaving. Should time constraints or weather conditions preclude a shoot-off, ties will be resolved via the reverse long run scoring method; i.e., the longest string of targets scored broken counting from the last target presented. in the event that any award is contested, representatives from each Association will confer to determine the winner and their decision shall be final.

***Please note that RST will not be selling shells at the Southern Side by Side***

[Mills Morrison]

Again, rules are the same this year as past years for the hammer gun challenge. Here they are again for those interested . . .


COMPETITOR QUALIFICATION

1. Competition is open to all members in good standing of the Organization (the LCSCA, or the PGCA) they represent. Updated Membership rosters will be available at the both the LCSCA and PGCA booths inside the shared LCSCA/PGCA display tent for membership confirmation; and new member applications will also be available at both booths for those individuals wishing to join, or renew a membership to allow that individual to represent the Organization of his/her choice in the Hammer Gun Event competition.

2. Members holding joint memberships in both the LCSCA and PGCA must choose ONE Association to represent in the competition; and will do so at the time of registration. Scores recorded by anyone who has registered, and participated for both Organizations during the Hammer Gun competition will be disqualified; HOWEVER, a dual membership holder may compete in the Hammer Gun Challenge for a different Association than the Association which that member represented in the Challenge Cup Event.

3. Hammer Gun Event entrants are not required to actually own a shotgun of the make related to the Organization they are representing; but are required to SHOOT with a hammer gun manufactured by the maker of the Organization they represent. Therefore, guns may be borrowed for use during the Hammer Gun Event competition, and all members who wish to participate in the Hammer Gun Challenge are encouraged to make arrangements to borrow a Smith or Parker shotgun to use.

4. Adult professional shooters (men and women), or an adult receiving a sponsorship/s in any form from dealers, industry, or any like organization/s are not allowed to compete in this event. An adult is defined as anyone aged 18 years or older.

EQUIPMENT

1. Participants are required to use only those double shotguns manufactured by the maker represented by the Collectors Association to which they belong (i.e., L.C. Smith/Hunter Arms/Marlin for LCSCA; or Parker/Remington for the PGCA).

2. Participants may use any exposed-hammer model or grade, and or gauge/bore size LC Smith or Parker shotgun originally manufactured by those respective companies. Reproductions or modern/imported guns marketed under these famous trade names are prohibited for use in this Event.

3. Modified and restored guns are allowed, including guns with a stock replacement or alterations, recoil pads, shortened or lined barrels, mono-blocked or sleeved barrels, screw-in chokes, etc. Guns used with relined barrels must be equipped with barrel liners of the same gauge in which the gun was originally shipped if the barrels of that gun, when manufactured, had been “fluid” steel.

4. Chamber inserts and gauge reducers (Chamber-Mates, etc.) and/or full-length barrel inserts with gauge reducers are acceptable only for use in those L.C. Smith and Parker hammer guns that were originally manufactured and shipped with Twist or Damascus barrels.

5. Shooters using guns equipped with screw-in chokes can do so, but such chokes may not be changed once competition has commenced. Participants using guns equipped with screw-in chokes may not change choke tubes once the competition has begun.

6. The wearing of Eye and Ear protection is required of all competitors; and all ammunition used during any venue must be loaded with size 7 1/2 shot or smaller in conformance with insurance requirements in place at the Deep River Sporting Clays complex.

Hammer Gun Challenge Event

1. Registration for the Challenge Event will take place inside the LCSCA/PGCS Exhibition tent where the registrar will have on hand a current member roster for both organizations. At registration each participant will declare the name of the Organization he/she is representing, and the participants name will be checked to the appropriate member roster to verify member status. Those participants, whose membership is verified as current, will then be allowed to register for the event. Participants whose name is not on the active member roster will be advised to return to the LCSCA/PGCA booth where they will take appropriate action to 1) renew their membership, 2) join the organization of their preference, or 3) clear any issues that may have prevented their name from appearing on the active member roster. Once that issue is resolved, that member will be given a slip indicating his membership is current; which slip is then presented to the registrar for registration completion.

LCSCA and PGCA members will shoot and qualify utilizing the same mixed-squads format used in the Challenge Event, with the name of each participant’s Organization noted on the registration form at the time of sign-up. Participants will be assigned to a squad based on the order of their registration; and if an individual wishes to shoot with a partner or shoot with friends or as a group, all must be registered simultaneously. Again, participants must register to represent only one Organization. Squadding and registration shall commence Friday morning (April 23, 2021) in conjunction with Challenge Event sign-ups. Sign-ups will continue until the beginning of the Hammer Gun Challenge Sunday morning, April 25, 2021 at 8:30 AM; the final day of the Southern Side x Side Championships. Given Event time constraints, all participants are STRONGLY encouraged to register as early as possible; and sign-ups will conclude when the last squad registered has completed shooting.

2. All Hammer Gun Challenge participants will pay an entry fee of $10 at registration and verification of Membership status; with all proceeds from those entry fees to be divided between the two Organizations according to the number of members from each Organization.

3. Hammer Gun Challenge target fees are $20.00 per 30 targets and may be paid directly to the shooting venue operator at the “Dove Field”; or purchased in advance at the Deep River operations office.

4. Participants will be squadded at registration for their approximate shooting time; and the first squad will begin shooting at 8:30 AM Sunday morning April 25. Participants should be at the Dove Field venue 15-20 minutes prior to their scheduled shooting time or risk an alternative time slot being unavailable should they fail to report at their appointed time.

5. Practice shooting will be available (but limited by time constraints) at the Dove Field 5-stand venue beginning all day Thursday (April 22), for early arrivals; and Friday (April 23) and Saturday (April 24) until approximately 10:30 AM. Practice rounds are always available on a first-come-first served basis. Shooters may sign up for ONLY ONE PRACTICE ROUND AT A TIME, and may not place their name in rotation for another practice round until such time as they have completed shooting their first time through the course. Tickets for practice targets may be purchased directly from the venue operator, or purchased at the Deep River operations office; and target fees for each practice round will be $20 for 30 clays. Target fees are NOT included within the $10 Hammer Gun Challenge entry fee.

6. Course of fire for the Hammer Gun Challenge will be as follows: THIRTY (30) TARGETS fired as One (1) Report Pair and Two (2) True Pairs from each station. All traps will be thoroughly re-set prior to commencement of the Hammer Gun Challenge so that the “field of play” is leveled for all participants.

7. Participants are allowed one gun malfunction during the event with the opportunity to re-shoot any targets lost. Referees will verify any malfunction while the shooter maintains control of his gun with the gun pointed in a safe direction; all referee decisions will be final. Any further gun malfunctions will result in a target/s scored as “Lost”. Note: failing to cock a hammer prior to calling for a target/s does not qualify as a gun malfunction.

8. The winning Hammer Gun Team will be crowned by determining the top 10 individual shooter scores from each organization; then tabulating the combined total number of broken targets. The team with the highest combined total of targets scored broken will be declared Winner of the 2021 Hammer Gun Challenge. In the event of a tie between the LCSCA and PGCA, the scores of the 11th place shooters from each Organization will be compared to determine the winning Team. Should the Teams still be tied afterwards, those scores recorded by the 12th place shooters will be compared to determine the winning Team; and so on until a tie is broken.

TIE SCORES FOR HIGH GUN AWARDS

The Hammer Challenge (TOP GUN) Award will be presented to the shooter with the highest individual score in the Hammer Gun Challenge Event based on the 30 target presentation. In the event of a tie score, weather and time constraints permitting; a shoot-off shall be held at station three to determine the Top Gun winner. Representatives from both the LCSCA and PGCA will confer with the 5-Stand operator to determine the course of fire; and all participants are strongly encouraged to wait for tabulation of final Hammer Gun Event scores to learn if their participation may be required in a tie-breaker shoot-off. Should time constraints or weather conditions preclude a shoot-off, ties will be resolved via the reverse long run scoring method; i.e., the longest string of targets scored broken counting from the last target presented. In the event that any award is contested, representatives from each Association will confer to determine the winner and their decision shall be final.

Ties for the Second Place award will be resolved based on the results of a shoot-off as described above; and should a shoot-off be required, said shoot off shall also be held at station three; and conducted under the same parameters as noted above for the Top Gun award. Should time constraints or weather conditions preclude a shoot-off, ties will be resolved via the reverse long run scoring method; i.e., the longest string of targets scored broken counting from the last target presented. In the event that any award is contested, representatives from each Association will confer to determine the winner and their decision shall be final.

AWARDS and SCHEDULE

List of Awards:
Team Trophy: The Hammer Gun Challenge Team Trophy
Individual Trophies: Top Gun and Runner Up

The Hammer Gun Challenge Team trophy and both individual shooter awards will be presented at the conclusion of the Hammer Gun Challenge Event on April 25 at the LCSCA/PGCA Exhibition tent.

[John Bastiani]

I figured there would be some reports from the Southern by now. I got there Thursday about 12:30 and there was already a good crowd and had to park way down on the main road. This was my first Southern and couldn't believe how many people I knew and met from collecting guns for over 40 years. I was also surprised how many of the dealers I knew as well. Was really surprised the amount of guns and tables they had set up. I did miss seeing the Parker Collectors as nobody was at the table yet-maybe next year.

[CraigThompson]

Won the open , 16 and 20 challenges . Dunno what the scores were just that it’s a sweep so far. Friday morning there were six 8’s . Three Parker’s a Smith a Lefever and a European double 8 . Mr. Stan Hoover was 25x25 in the informal 8 gauge event !

[CraigThompson]

Few pics .

[Mills Morrison]

Team Parker won the Smith Parker Challenge!

HOA : Mal MacGregor
2nd : Mike Koneski
3rd: Rusty Durham
4th : Russ Roeder

There were ties and nail-biting shoot offs for both 1st and 3rd places. All of these shooters were from Team Parker

Oscar Gaddy Trophy to Anthony Pilotti who was top shooter in the qualifying rounds. He shot a Parker Damascus hammer gun and missed only one target!

High lady was Sarah Spartz of Team LC Smith who also made the team and shot very well.

High youth was Harry Morrison who tied with Louis Dunn at 27 out of 50. Tie broken by reverse long run.

More pics and details after I settle down (and get photos downloaded)


Congratulations to Team LC Smith as well! It was not for lack of good shooting that they came in second. There was a lot of impressive shooting on both teams. A lot of new faces as well and we hope everyone will come back next year!

[Daniel Carter]

Congratulations to all but especially Harry Morrison!!!!

[Daryl Corona]

Nice shooting Harry.:bowdown::bowdown:

[Mills Morrison]

Thanks you all, but don’t give him a big head!

[John Bastiani]

Did anybody pick up any good guns at the Southern? There were many to choose from but a beautiful late Parker GHE 20ga.(241xxx) caught my eye as I was looking at Josh Lowensteiners tables. Auctually two other gentlemen were holding and looking at the gun when I got to his table. I was hoping they would put it down so I could get a better look. After they laid the gun down-I picked it up and couldn't believe the minty condition and beautiful figured wood of the gun. I knew I had to have it. A dealer that everybody knows got within a few hundred dollars of buying this gun and I knew I had better jump on it as it was not going to be on the table much longer. I made a deal with Josh and now own the gun. Josh also had some other great guns for sale as well. I have heard that he was the go to guy when your looking for high condition Parkers. I will make it a point to get to his table right off the bat next year.

[Reggie Bishop]

Sounds like you got a nice one John! Was it a beaver tail double trigger gun with a dog head butt plate? I think I know the gun.

[Jay Oliver]

I would definitely like to participate in the Parker/LC Smith Challenge event next year. I don't why I haven't yet, I guess I just didn't know the drill.

Josh had many nice Parkers and guns from other makers too. His was my favorite booth. Everything was just high quality.

Down at the first tent by the entrance, I found a 1903 30" 20 Gauge VH with a straight stock I just had to have. It was so nice to be back at the Southern after a 6 year break and I am already looking forward to next year :)

[Dean Romig]

The guns Josh offers fit all categories from the extremely high condition guns to the rare and unique collector pieces and even the one-of-a-kinds. Josh has been in it since he was a boy learning from some of the greats in our field of gun collecting, the first and most enduring of whom is his own Dad, Howard. Today he represents what we have been missing these last 15 years or so with the passing of some the greatest dealers we have known. He very very easily fills the vacancy they have left.





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[John Bastiani]

Sounds like you got a nice one John! Was it a beaver tail double trigger gun with a dog head butt plate? I think I know the gun.
It has a splinter forend-double triggers and dogs head buttplate. If Im not mistaken-I think he had 2 GHE 20ga Parkers. The other gun was also nice from what I remember.

[CraigThompson]

Down at the first tent by the entrance, I found a 1903 30" 20 Gauge VH with a straight stock I just had to have. It was so nice to be back at the Southern after a 6 year break and I am already looking forward to next year :)

Hmmmm , you got it from the older gentleman beside John Allgood I think . I’d perused that for a bit thursday . But I was more intrested in one of the pair of VHE 20 gauge 32 inchers the dealer from FL had . Thought I’d wait until Saturday and make an offer . But Doc Lehew got the pair and you I think bought the 30” probably after we talked . I did however end up with an SC 32” and a DHE 20 30” both from PGCA members .

[Mills Morrison]

Team LC Smith won the Hammer Gun Challenge by a 139 to 138 squeaker. Good job to them as it was hard won with great shooting. Mal MacGregor was top shooter in the Hammer Gun Challenge after a shoot off with Britton Condon from Team LC Smith. Both were tied at 29 out of 30!

It was a great time and a return to the “old normal” we have missed so much this past year.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Ok, you told us about these nice guns that you bought--now it's picture time!!

[Jay Oliver]

Here are 2 quick pics of mine a 20 gauge 30" VH choked full/full. The wood was refinished on this, but I love the grain/figure for a VH. LOP is 14 3/8" and it fit me perfectly. I had a chance to shoot it yesterday and it is a keeper...

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Just broke one of the Ten Commandments--you know the one about coveting your neighbors possessions.
Love it, what does it weigh?

[Dean Romig]

Nice find Jay!!!





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[Jay Oliver]

Thanks Harold and Dean! It weighs 6 pounds 3.5 ounces

[Randy G Roberts]

I'm gonna have to return this one. Someone removed material on the water table. I suppose to reduce the weight. What a shame. Can't believe I didn't catch that before I bought it, dang the luck. :rotf:

[Randy G Roberts]

This one was on display in the break room during after hours show and tell. Whew, what a hammer gun. Strong Du Bray roots on this one.

[CraigThompson]

Think I met ten or twelve folks I’ve talked with here but obviously never met in person . I know it sounds like a broken record but it’s kinda nice to put an actual in person face with a name !

[JAMES HALL]

Condition wins no matter the name

[CraigThompson]

Condition wins no matter the name

Looks like I'm not the only one that caved and bought something I hadn't planned on :whistle:

[Chuck Bishop]

Saw some awesome guns!

[Dean Romig]

This one was on display in the break room during after hours show and tell. Whew, what a hammer gun. Strong Du Bray roots on this one.

Nice AA hammer gun, I think we know who’s that one is. :cool:





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[Mike Koneski]

Looks like I'm not the only one that caved and bought something I hadn't planned on :whistle:

Me too Craig! Picked up a sexy Lefever 32" Damascus 12g straight stock live bird gun. :whistle:

It was a great week shooting, seeing old friends and meeting new friends that I've only conversed with here on the forum or in PMs.

[CraigThompson]

Me too Craig! Picked up a sexy Lefever 32" Damascus 12g straight stock live bird gun. :whistle:

It was a great week shooting, seeing old friends and meeting new friends that I've only conversed with here on the forum or in PMs.

The three in the picture below didn’t make the initial trip south with me , however I’d already purchased the big one on the top and had Breck to some work on it then picked it up in Sanford rather then trusting a carrier . Those three however will make the trip to the “Koneski Extravaganza” in July :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Saw some awesome guns!

Some guy had this really neat little GHE 28 I liked :whistle:

[Reggie Bishop]

The three in the picture below didn’t make the initial trip south with me , however I’d already purchased the big one on the top and had Breck to some work on it then picked it up in Sanford rather then trusting a carrier . Those three however will make the trip to the “Koneski Extravaganza” in July :whistle:

Craig what is that one in the middle? 30" DHE 20?

[Randy G Roberts]

[QUOTE=Dean Romig;332931]Nice AA hammer gun, I think we know who’s that one is. :cool:

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I would venture that you do know. The owner had graciously agreed to let me shoot it in the Parker/LCS Challenge. There was one requirement, no rain. Unfortunately it rained.

[Mills Morrison]

Harry came within one bird of me in the hammer gun challenge. 18 to 19. Proud, if nervous

[Brett Hoop]

Well Mills your sons safe gun handling and impressive shooting were one of the highlights for me. Mom being there in full support just made it all that much better. My hat is off to both of you as parents.

[Mills Morrison]

Thank you Brett! It was great to see you too. Thanks also for the advice on Africa. It really helped!

[Brian Dudley]

It was great to see all of those that I did. New faces and old.
Any that I happened to miss, to next time.

[CraigThompson]

Craig what is that one in the middle? 30" DHE 20?

Yes sir you are 100% correct !

I had about gotten out of there without any larger ticket items and the person I bought that from wanted me to try it on the 5 stand practice field . First time I shot it I dropped 2 targets I think so it followed me home :rotf:

Now I've got DH grades in the 10 , 12 and 20 . And what seems to be missing there ??? An DH or DHE 16 perhaps :whistle:

[Mills Morrison]

Yeah, you need a 16

[Bill Murphy]

And an eight.

[James Brown]

and a 28 and a .410

[Mills Morrison]

Harry shot 27 out of 50 in the qualifying round with his Parker hammer gun and 42 out of 100 a week earlier in sporting clays (same thing as 5 stand basically) with his Beretta automatic. Do the math. What was that they said about sxs's being inferior to modern guns?

[CraigThompson]

and a 28 and a .410

I’d need big financial backing for those two as well as an 8 so all three in a DH/E are pretty much off the table :rotf:

[Joe Graziano]

It was great seeing everyone at the Southern. Just a fantastic time all around. Congratulations to Mike Koneski for one heck of a four day tally on the courses, including winning the Ripon Cup. Incredible shooting.

[MattHaney]

Good to meet you there Joe. Enjoyed talking with you!

[Joe Graziano]

Same here, Matt! Hope to see you in the fall.

[Bob Jurewicz]

just looked at the Southern Results.
Big CONGRATUATIONS to Mike Koneski on an impressive string of wins.
A CONGRATULATIONS to Joe Graziano for his win in Delany 16 Hammerless. And, congratulations to all other winners and participants!
Bob Jurewicz

[Mike Koneski]

Thanks guys! It felt good to have the focus back. 😁 Bob and Joe, good to see you guys. It was a pleasure. Joe, nice to meet your dad too. What a nice guy! BTW, Roll Tide!!

[Joe Graziano]

Roll Tide! :-)