Why aren't there more collector associations????

[Craig Larter]

Why have not more vintage shotgun associations formed??? No Ithaca or Winchester 21 or Model 12 collector groups or Remington model 10 or 11 groups? Many of us are interested in more than Parkers. If vintage shotgun gatherings are to continue and expand more non sxs should be included in my opinion. What say you?.

[James L. Martin]

I for one would like a Winchester model 21 association

[Brian Dudley]

We all know that the Win 21 group would be far superior than any of the others, right?


I guess there was something close to forming for Ithaca years ago with Walt Snyder and I think John Batzold was even involved.

There is some sort of something with Baker guns that was formed years ago.

It really comes down to dedicated people wanting to do it and hoping it takes off. And the interest has to be there for it to take off.

[Bill Davis]

The problem with forming a Model 21 group is that, compared to say Parker shotguns, they only made 30 plus thousand guns versus 242 thousand Parker’s. LC Smith made even more. Vintage pump guns would be a good group. Lump them all together and you have millions of guns. Just my .02 cents!

[Bruce Day]

Well we have a National association that includes ALL guns, it is called the N.R.A. And Iam a Life Member! Harry

Five life memberships pay for one $5000 suit for Wayne LaPierre or 10 percent of the monthly mortgage payment on his Texas cottage.

$40 , or about the cost of a tank of gas, pays for an annual membership here. The PGCA president and directors receive no payment .

[Scott Smith]

... but not a member here.

[Brian Dudley]

Usually collectors associations dont sell your information or constantly ask for more money.

[Bruce Day]

... but not a member here.

If a person is unable to pay the $40 for an annual membership , we have in the past provided help if a person needs it.

[Michael Moffa]

My 2 cents but Wayne has got to go. NRA has been on the wrong side far to often and as far as I know have never stepped up to help a member in a 2A case. But they always ask for money, got tired of it and dropped out 20 years ago. Put my money into other 2A orgs and into our events.

[Mark Britton]

I know why theres not more collectors associations ! No one is willing to do the work involued to make it happen ! I just got home from my club meeting there are 550 members 12 were present.

[Dave Noreen]

Remington and Winchester were big companies with a lot of products. There are at least two Winchester collector associations. I was a member of the Winchester Club of America for seven or eight years and there was never a word about either of my interests, Model 12/42 and Model 71 in their publication.
Remington has the Remington Society of America --

https://www.remingtonsociety.org/

I've attended four of their annual seminars over the years and they always have their annual meeting in conjunction with the Winter Las Vegas show. At these events I've usually been able to find at least a couple of members interested in the same things I am!!

[Craig Larter]

With the internet it is very easy to create a group and discover like minded people. Facebook groups (which are much like forums) are created for all kinds of interest groups like shell box collectors, illinois river decoy collectors etc. I'm kinda surprised more groups haven't formed around different brands/models of vintage shotguns. I just found a Model 11 Group on Facebook.

[Stan Hoover]

Why have not more vintage shotgun associations formed??? No Ithaca or Winchester 21 or Model 12 collector groups or Remington model 10 or 11 groups? Many of us are interested in more than Parkers. If vintage shotgun gatherings are to continue and expand more non sxs should be included in my opinion. What say you?.

Craig,
I really wish there was a website for those guns produced in Ithaca, or even a collectors association. I really don't know what or how much would be involved, I assume a website would be easier and a place to start?
Stan

[Craig Larter]

Stan: It is simple to create a Facebook group, that is the simplest way to seek out other Ithaca collectors. Back when I started the AHFCA facebook didn't exist so I set up our first forum.
Setting up a web page is much more involved in that content needs to be created. I believe a site like GoDaddy has tools so non-programmers can set up a web page and have it hosted on their server.

[Stan Hoover]

Craig,
I guess I'm primitive, no Facebook here. I know next to nothing about setting up a website, so I guess I'll keep wishing.
Stan

[Rick Losey]

They are easy to use but i am not sure site building tools like GoDaddy and Squarespace support interactive forums

[Frank Srebro]

Craig,
I guess I'm primitive, no Facebook here. I know next to nothing about setting up a website, so I guess I'll keep wishing.
Stan

Stan, you're not that far behind. There are member fellas trying to be active in one vintage gun collector group I can think of, while still using Commodore 64's and 35mm cameras . And just last year one submitted a story for publication in its newsletter that he'd written using a typewriter and the editor had to redo it in Word. Such a wide range of technologies. And now I hear talk of using Zoom for that collector group's Annual Meeting. :whistle:

[Rick Losey]

There are member fellas using .... 35mm cameras in a vintage gun collector group I can think of.

hey - I represent that remark :corn:

look at the fit and finish and the case leather work on the Nikon S2 - not unlike the craftsmanship on the guns we like

[Frank Srebro]

Agreed Rick, the better 35mm cameras are fine instruments. But I seem to recall you taking digital pics of an Ithaca in August at Rock Mtn using your smart phone. :)

[Rick Losey]

guilty as charged

its sometimes the camera I have handy

[Stan Hoover]

guilty as charged

its sometimes the camera I have handy

Wait,
I don’t remember seeing that picture?

[Brett Hoop]

Stan

You and those boys we all love to see come to shoots are the ITHACA GROUP!

[Paul Ehlers]

With the internet it is very easy to create a group and discover like minded people. Facebook groups (which are much like forums) are created for all kinds of interest groups like shell box collectors, illinois river decoy collectors etc. I'm kinda surprised more groups haven't formed around different brands/models of vintage shotguns. I just found a Model 11 Group on Facebook.

Personally I refuse to Facebook! I wont get political on this site, so I'll leave it at that statement.

As far as other collector groups forming. I feel it's more a sigh of our times, the younger generations just simply aren't joiners and I'm including the majority of the baby boomers in that group. Forming & maintaining these groups takes one heck of a lot of work & effort to get them up & running & then maintaining that momentum. Unfortunately almost every one of these groups devolve into a small clique of a handful of it's membership that weather intentional or not end up driving away as many people as they attract. Then there's always the few that want to take control to drive a particular personal agenda.

Over the years I've been involved with a few dog breed clubs that became brutal with people wanting to grind their own axe. The PGCA is pretty much the exception to the rule in this regard, but even here I've sensed some of these same things.

It's a fast paced complex world we're living in and quite often participating in a collecting organization just doesn't fit into the schedule.

[Dave Noreen]

Ithaca guns are pretty well covered at the Ithaca section on Shotgunworld.com and Walter Snyder is a regular there --

https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=59&sid=c34706cfa69053f776a51fa2409abcfa

Downside for fans of the doubles is that one has to wade through a lot on that damn slab-sided knock-off of a Remington Model 17.

[Michael Moffa]

Hassleblad, Ziess Contaflex, Nikon F's, 1st and 2nd gen Contax's, Rollieflex, all very nice.

[Katrina Wood]

I agree. I am surprised there are not other groups.

But I have to say, I am really impressed how helpful this Parker group has been, even though even though I don’t have one (I just bought my first sxs (Francotte)) and the members here are very helpful and have a lot of knowledge and passion for other sxs too. Thanks guys!

[Mike Koneski]

Remington and Winchester were big companies with a lot of products. There are at least two Winchester collector associations. I was a member of the Winchester Club of America for seven or eight years and there was never a word about either of my interests, Model 12/42 and Model 71 in their publication.
Remington has the Remington Society of America --

https://www.remingtonsociety.org/

I've attended four of their annual seminars over the years and they always have their annual meeting in conjunction with the Winter Las Vegas show. At these events I've usually been able to find at least a couple of members interested in the same things I am!!


Dave, due to bankrupty and being sold off, will there still be a Remington Society?

[Dave Noreen]

Why would changes in the company's status have any effect on a collectors organization?

[Mike Koneski]

I don't know, just wondering if the collector association was directly affiliated with Remington?

[Mike Franzen]

My 2 cents but Wayne has got to go. NRA has been on the wrong side far to often and as far as I know have never stepped up to help a member in a 2A case. But they always ask for money, got tired of it and dropped out 20 years ago. Put my money into other 2A orgs and into our events.

I believe the NRA is rated as the most powerful lobby in Washington. To get there took having a lot of members and a lot of money. That’s really all that matters in Capital circles. For seven years I worked for a lobby and saw how it worked. I don’t know if the NRA has ever stepped up to help a single member but it has been the wall against those who want to take our guns.

[Dave Noreen]

The NRA wishes it was half as powerful as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

[Phil Yearout]

Somebody has take the bull by the horns, step up and do the work, and just make it happen. Like Craig Larter did to start the Fox Collectors Association. It takes a lot of time, effort and "want to" to do something like that. I certainly don't have it, but I'm thankful for guys like Craig who do.

[calvin humburg]

I goofed

[Bill Murphy]

I liked Shotgunworld, but cannont rejoin because my email address is already in use. However, there is no obvious way to contract the administrator. This has gone on for at least three years. How do I contract the administrator?

[John Dallas]

Email address? Do you mean screen name? Thought there were never duplicate email addresses

[Rick Losey]

Email address? Do you mean screen name? Thought there were never duplicate email addresses

there are not, actually - no duplicate screen names on a particular board either

sounds like Bill was a member at one time - and cannot get back in - maybe another member of that board could contact the admin for him- sounds like he needs a password reset

[Bill Murphy]

Whatever it was, email, screen name, I can't sign back in and can't find a way to contact the administrator.

[Bill Holcombe]

Remington and Winchester were big companies with a lot of products. There are at least two Winchester collector associations. I was a member of the Winchester Club of America for seven or eight years and there was never a word about either of my interests, Model 12/42 and Model 71 in their publication.
Remington has the Remington Society of America --

https://www.remingtonsociety.org/

I've attended four of their annual seminars over the years and they always have their annual meeting in conjunction with the Winter Las Vegas show. At these events I've usually been able to find at least a couple of members interested in the same things I am!!

I am no longer a member, but the winchester collectors association covers both the 71 and the 12 fairly regularly.