TRAP SHOTGUN

[Danny Wiley]

I have a parker single shotgun serial 177783 need help finding information on what grade it is their is no marks to tell from what i seen i think it is a sa grade but i need some help to know for sure

[John Dunkle]

Hi Danny..!

First - welcome to the PGCA Forum!!!

Second, if you don't mind, I've moved your post to the right forum, so more folks may notice it...

Again - welcome!!!

:cheers:

John

[Dave Suponski]

Danny, If you would post some good quality pictures we could give you better information.

[Danny Wiley]

thanks for the help

[Patrick Lien]

thanks for the help

Danny,
Remove the forend and barrel from the action and look at the serial # on the flat water table of the action. Above and/or below the serial # you should see a number or letter. If you see a 4 or C then the grade is "C". If you see a 5 or B then the grade is "B". If you see a 6 or A then the grade is "A". Most single barrel trap guns are "C" grade and have a pigeon on the floor plate just in front of the trigger guard. Your gun should have a straight grip stock and 32" barrel. Post some pictures if possible and you will get more info.

Patrick

[Danny Wiley]

i put some pictures in albums

[Bill Murphy]

Your gun is most likely a C Grade with a 4 on the water table. In that serial number range, it will not have a pigeon on the floorplate. Tell us what mark you find on the water table of the action near the serial number. Your gun is quite an early example of the single trap, probably made in 1917.

[Danny Wiley]

Your gun is most likely a C Grade with a 4 on the water table. In that serial number range, it will not have a pigeon on the floorplate. Tell us what mark you find on the water table of the action near the serial number. Your gun is quite an early example of the single trap, probably made in 1917.

i put some pictures in my album thanks for the help

[John Dunkle]

I think Bill is right on target... Straight gripped C grade SBT.. I also just went to your album, and you listed the ser#, but I think most were 32", so if someone has the serialization book - maybe it's listed??

Hope this helps..!

John

[Dean Romig]

I find it odd that the SBT's grade are not shown in the Serialization and Identification book when you look them up by serial number but simply shown as ST where other Parkers would be identified as TI3 or B4 or D2 or A5 as an example. Anyone know why?

[Patrick Lien]

I find it odd that the SBT's grade are not shown in the Serialization and Identification book when you look them up by serial number but simply shown as ST where other Parkers would be identified as TI3 or B4 or D2 or A5 as an example. Anyone know why?

There are example in the serialization book of both generic entries with an "S" or "ST" and also entries that specify Grade like "SC" and "SB". Remington trap guns are denoted by S4, S5, and SB, SC. Maybe it was just different people using different methods.


Patrick

[John Dunkle]

I think - but could well be wrong (I have a lot of practice at that..?? ;) ) - that most were C grades and others showed S4-S5-S6-etc..? BUT, I'm not sure all the SBT grades were always recorded in the records..?

That's my story - and I'm sticking to it.. ;)

John

[Dean Romig]

Thanks Patrick. Yesterday Dave Suponski and I were looking over a few SBT serial numbers in the ID & Ser book that Dave has etched in his memory and none showed the grade.

[Austin W Hogan]

Most of the single barrel trap guns between SN 173803 and 193409 are denoted by S. Some of those 180000 to 193409 are designated SC, SD,.... S4, S5, etc. Any explanation of this would be pure speculation.

Best, Austin

[Danny Wiley]

Does any body know what t stands for that is all is on bottom of barrel thanks

[Dave Suponski]

Danny, The (T) stands for Titanic Steel

[Danny Wiley]

Your gun is most likely a C Grade with a 4 on the water table. In that serial number range, it will not have a pigeon on the floorplate. Tell us what mark you find on the water table of the action near the serial number. Your gun is quite an early example of the single trap, probably made in 1917.

their is no letter or number by serial number just name and pat info

[Robin Lewis]

Nothing that looks like this (in the red box is the grade, in this case a 'V')

[Danny Wiley]

no not a all it also has a straight grip on gun and no safety

[Danny Wiley]

i have no letters or numbers by serial numbers also has a straight grip with no saftey thanks

[Dean Romig]

Danny, your SBT is engraved in the SC style.

[Austin W Hogan]

I didn't count them 1 by 1, but about 250 of these S grade SBT's were made during the middle of the WWI years of 1917 -18. That is almost 1 per working day; it certainly would have overloaded Parker's engraving and checking staff.
I wonder where the rest of these S's are hiding?

Best, Austin

[Danny Wiley]

I didn't count them 1 by 1, but about 250 of these S grade SBT's were made during the middle of the WWI years of 1917 -18. That is almost 1 per working day; it certainly would have overloaded Parker's engraving and checking staff.
I wonder where the rest of these S's are hiding?

Best, Austin

do you have any idea on value of gun thanks

[Bill Murphy]

The compilers of the Serialization Book used the stock books to identify gun grades. I haven't seen the stock book entries for single barrel guns for a while. Possibly, the stock book entries do not show grades for single barrels. I don't know if TPS shows any stock book entries for singles.

[George Lander]

Danny: I have Parker SN 235870 SBT. It has "SC" above the SN on the water table and the number "4" below denoting it a Grade 4. The barrel is marked "PARKER BROS. MAKERS, MERIDAN, CT. U.S.A. ACME STEEL" with broad arrows. The barrel flat is marked with an "A". I value mine between $4,500 & $5,000.

Best Regards, George

[Robin Lewis]

While we are on the topic of SBT Parkers, I would like to ask anyone with pictures of SBT's to allow me to post them in the "Parker Grades" web page. I have a few there now but that section could use lots of help. All sections are weak but the SB and SAA sections are empty and any pictures would be a very welcome addition.

[Robert D.Hildebrand]

On Parker single barrel trap, I am trying to locate one that was sold ( in upstate NY)about 1991/92. 32 inch barrel,very good condition,owners name inscribed on right side of receiver. Ser. no. c 209586. Does anyone collect these shotguns? Regards Bob Hildebrand

[Bill Murphy]

How was it sold and whose name was on the receiver? Yes, there are those of us who collect single traps, and not only Parkers. I have a neighbor who has from C to A and an A1 Special upgrade by Robert Runge. He also has outrageous single barrel Smiths and and Bakers. The Fox collectors are on the hunt for singles also.

[Robert D.Hildebrand]

Bill Thanks for your response. This Parker single barrel trap was orginally owned by my grandfather. He used to shoot trap at Alantic city during the 20's. Following his death 1950 ,one of his sons tooked it to New Hampshire. My father ( the oldest of the brothers) obtained it from him ~ 1968. After my father died it was passed on to my brother. Following his death, 1992 I found out from his wife that he had sold all his "stuff" before he died. The gun may have been refinished by Larry Del Greggo in Illian,N.Y.The name on the receiver ' A M Hildebrand, supposedly done by the factory.I have been trying to locate it eversince. Regards, Bob H.

[Robin Lewis]

Robert,

Only a small percentage of the PGCA members read this forum. You might want to consider placing a Wanted Ad in The Parker Pages.

[Bill Murphy]

I have not seen this gun, but it would not be hard to identify.

[Robert D.Hildebrand]

Thanks Bindlestiff, I may do that. I know it's a very long-shot, but who knows? Bob H.

[Errol Severe]

I am an new member so please forgive me if I am violating any rules here. I have one for sale on Gunsinternational.com I put very good photos there if you would like to copy them or I can send them directly to you if you will please send me your email. I may have sold it to a fellow, that's why it says "sales pending" in the ad, he was not sure he wanted to keep it on Fri. He has one more day to make up his mind.

[Bill Murphy]

What is the item number of your trap gun?

[Bill Murphy]

I recommend you create a new thread rather than attaching your question to this three year old thread.

[Errol Severe]

I just received a phone call from the buyer. He is sending it back. First time this happened in over fifty internet sales!

[Errol Severe]

Bill,
I just started a new thread as per your instructions.

Errol,

I deleted your new thread because only PGCA members may sell guns on these PGCA forums. That includes advertising those guns for sale on other sites.

Your moderator,
Mark

[Mark Ouellette]

Errol,

If you are going to sell a gun on this forum you must be a member of the PGCA.

Please see the membership section on the main PGCA page. It is the best $40 per year that you will spend.

Thank you in advance,
Mark

[Errol Severe]

Mark,
I didn't know how to tell Bill that I can supply him photos, if he is interested, for more info. on the SBT. If he will just send me his email I will send the photos directly to him. Just trying to help those with a great interest in the SBT. I am not a Parker collector, in fact I have only owned two in fifty years of collecting. I am a gunsmith and FFL dealer.
Errol

[Mark Ouellette]

Errol,

As a new forum member you did not know any better.

If Bill or any other long time member is interested they can search for your listing on Guns International.

Respectfully,
Mark