Roll Crimp

[CraigThompson]

Tried roll crimping a few Remington 8 gauge hulls today . Never given this a go before . I only went 1 5/8 ounces shot with some 12 gauge cards in the bottom for spacers and Universal Clays . But after getting the number of cards correct I was satisfied with the results .

[Craig Larter]

Craig they look great, nice work.

[charlie cleveland]

your roll crimps look fine look as good as factory crimps...you should have a good dove load out of those shells....charlie

[CraigThompson]

Shot four of the roll crimp jobs trimming tree limbs . Three were ones I’d didn’t quite have the spacers correct and one was what I considered a good one . Let me just say 1 5/8 ounces of 7 1/2’s at about 5 yards does a very pleasing job of trimming tree limbs .

[CraigThompson]

your roll crimps look fine look as good as factory crimps...you should have a good dove load out of those shells....charlie

Yes sir it would I believe . Just need to go somewhere there are Eurasian Banded Dove so I don’t get in any squabbles over game commission rules !

[CraigThompson]

Monday I’m going to see what I can do with 000000 buck and 730 grain .775” slugs in the Remington roll crimped hulls .

[edgarspencer]

I am also using Ballistic Products 8ga. roll crimper, and am having the same issues you're having. The design of their crimper is wrong in that the one bar, does not have a radius starter, so the outside of the rolled edge is a sharp 90, rather than a smooth nicely rolled edge. Also, part of the top edge is galled, like yours.
The first picture is some paper 12ga. shells I loaded up this morning, using a Bridgeport Gun Implement Co. four bar roller. It literally takes 5 turns of the handle to get a flawless roll every time. I wish I could fing and antique roller for 8 ga, but then I'm not planning on doing a mess of them. I would like to find something to replace my 16 and 20 gauge rollers, and bought one of the Russian rollers on ebay. Delivery was promised for September 16th. Geez, you'd think they were on the other side of the world or something.

[CraigThompson]

I am also using Ballistic Products 8ga. roll crimper, and am having the same issues you're having. The design of their crimper is wrong in that the one bar, does not have a radius starter, so the outside of the rolled edge is a sharp 90, rather than a smooth nicely rolled edge. Also, part of the top edge is galled, like yours.
The first picture is some paper 12ga. shells I loaded up this morning, using a Bridgeport Gun Implement Co. four bar roller. It literally takes 5 turns of the handle to get a flawless roll every time. I wish I could fing and antique roller for 8 ga, but then I'm not planning on doing a mess of them. I would like to find something to replace my 16 and 20 gauge rollers, and bought one of the Russian rollers on ebay. Delivery was promised for September 16th. Geez, you'd think they were on the other side of the world or something.

Three times I’ve gotten slug molds from the Russian Federation on Ebay and NONE got to me faster than two weeks . “Usually” they don’t make the item until after you order it despite the Ebay auctions claiming they have x amount in stock . That company in the UK that has once fired WIN 8 gauge hulls might have an old style roll crimper . I forgot the name however .

[charlie cleveland]

I have the old style 8 ga crimper ...to me it does no better job than what your roll crimps look like here....charlie

[edgarspencer]

You’re a lucky man to find one of the old crimpers, Charlie.
The black Remington hulls are much thicker than other gauges, and thicker than Winchester 8ga. hulls, which take a roll better.

I love how the iPhone thinks I want to say crumpets when I type crimper.

[CraigThompson]

I wish one of the retailers had once fired Remingtons for sale I’d get a few hundred . I was thinking this roll crimping stuff was going to be a lot more trouble , but really it isn’t .

[CraigThompson]

Did a couple roll crimped 8 gauge with 000000 buck and am able to get eight instead of six pellets along with buffer . Now all I need to do is see what the pattern board says . After that I also loaded some .775” 730 grain punkin balls . First two I didn’t get quite tight enough to suit me but the second two I added enough spacers so they were tight . Again targets will be the final test .

[CraigThompson]

And a pair with the .775” 730 grain slug .

[charlie cleveland]

I really like your roll crimps on the round ball loads...they look factory to me...I m still working on my round ball loads I would like to get them accurate out to 50 steps...just good out to 30 steps at the present...charlie

[CraigThompson]

I really like your roll crimps on the round ball loads...they look factory to me...I m still working on my round ball loads I would like to get them accurate out to 50 steps...just good out to 30 steps at the present...charlie

By no means am I finished with load development having only been at it a month or so . But I’m rather pleased with it so far .

[CraigThompson]

Two slugs at 25 from right barrel and two from the left barrel . I think if I put 3 to 5 layers of masking tape around them it might snug them up enough to be suitable for my parameters .

[CraigThompson]

Two each barrel at 25 yards of the .775” 730 grain slug .

[CraigThompson]

And a shot from each barrel at 25 yards with buffered 000000 buck . In these roll crimped I’m able to fit eight pellets instead of six in the folded crimp shells.

[charlie cleveland]

that would have been a dead deerwith the slugs and the buckshot load.... charlie

[CraigThompson]

that would have been a dead deerwith the slugs and the buckshot load.... charlie

The buck I’m okay with but the slugs need to tighten up a bit as well as the punkin balls .

[Paul Harm]

Precision Reloading offers a better roll crimping tool at less money. I have them for 12 and 10ga. I can't get to them right now but they have at least two pins in their roll crimpers. BPI makes a big deal out of their two pin model and want more money for it.

[CraigThompson]

Precision Reloading offers a better roll crimping tool at less money. I have them for 12 and 10ga. I can't get to them right now but they have at least two pins in their roll crimpers. BPI makes a big deal out of their two pin model and want more money for it.

I’ve got a Precision 10 gauge roller in my cart I’ll pick it up when the 8 gauge hulls arrive .

[charlie cleveland]

I wonder if parker brothers ever made a roll crimper for the 8 gauge...I know they had them for the 10 ga. I had one of them and sold it here to someone... I have a roll crimper for the 8 gauge but it does not have any markings on it...works good...charlie

[edgarspencer]

Charlie, is your role crimper the kind with a crank and a lever that forces the hole into the rolling head? Or is it the kind that you put in the drill press.

[charlie cleveland]

edgar mine is the one with the crank and lever...its just like any of the old cast iron and brass roll crimpers maybe I can find it and get the daughter to post pictures...it is well made...I got this from Darrell middlebrook estate.....charlie

[edgarspencer]

Well Charlie, I’d say it was a rare one because it being 8 ga., but if Daryl has it, you know it was rare. Those old crank ones do such a better job than the drill press type.

[James Halvorson]

Shot four of the roll crimp jobs trimming tree limbs . Three were ones I’d didn’t quite have the spacers correct and one was what I considered a good one . Let me just say 1 5/8 ounces of 7 1/2’s at about 5 yards does a very pleasing job of trimming tree limbs .

Good to know that I'm not alone.
Everyone thinks I'm crazy for trimming trees like that...

Until I hand them the shotgun and let them give it a go!

[Bill Murphy]

I was with Daryl in Connecticut when we found that crimper and related eight gauge tools. I insisted he buy it and he was trying to let me have it. Daryl also had a sizer, but I guess you missed that. When was "Daryl's estate" offered for sale, Charlie? He had awesome big guns, but I guess you didn't buy any of them.

[CraigThompson]

Shot two punkin balls and two slugs all from the right barrel at 25 yards . The two punkin balls looked pretty decent the two slugs are still a bit apart . Might try a couple more wraps of tape on the slugs .

[charlie cleveland]

looking better I believe your right I would try 3 more wraps....charlie

[charlie cleveland]

bill some of his stuff was in the 4 sale column or maybe in the regular forem....I did not get the resizer..i did not get to buy any of his big guns..i never seen them up for sale...would like to have had one of those 4 bores...charlie

[CraigThompson]

bill some of his stuff was in the 4 sale column or maybe in the regular forem....I did not get the resizer..i did not get to buy any of his big guns..i never seen them up for sale...would like to have had one of those 4 bores...charlie

Some of his shotguns were sold by either Rock Island or Julia’s 3-5 years ago . To be honest I knew not who Daryl Middlebrook was then and to be honest not much now other than an occasional reference to the man here from time to time .

[CraigThompson]

I am now assuming Daryl Middlebrook May very well have been the guy in New Jersey Tom Armbrust was telling me about and that all his English stuff went back across the pond .

[Paul Harm]

Edgar, to each their own opinion, but I've found the drill press and hand crank both do about the same job as far as quality goes. Where the DP type has it over the crank ones is when you're going to do quite a few at once. Turning that crank gets old in a hurry. I'll take my DP models any day, thank you. I find it romantic to once in awhile to do everything by hand and use black powder. Now, if I could just find some paper 10s everything would be complete.

[edgarspencer]

As you say, to each their own. My Bridgeport Gun Implement Co roll crimped differs from the more common bench clamped version, and the quality of the roll is quite simply, perfect. It takes four turns of the crank.
I load all my paper shells and set them in a 25 round block. Then place my overshot cards into them. From there, if it takes 3 minutes to roll the 25 rounds I’m loafing.
I’ve got boxes of NOS 10ga paper NPEs. Pays to go to the Annual Meeting silent auction.

[CraigThompson]

Well I loaded two rounds with the 730 grain .775” slug I wrapped the slug with five layers of masking tape and a mylar .010” wrap set them on top of five 1/8 cards in the SP-8 shot cup and pushed it with Universal Clays . From the right barrel !

[CraigThompson]

I also loaded some more of the .775” punkin balls with five wraps of masking tape sitting on top of six 1/8” cards in the SP-8 shot cup again pushed with Universal clays . Again from the right barrel .

[CraigThompson]

And finally I shot one round of the 000000 (.415”) eight pellets from the left barrel also pushed with Universal Clays in the SP-8 wad and buffer .

[CraigThompson]

I think I’m pretty well satisfied with the buck load . And I think the punkin ball load will do . I’m also of the opinion the slug load works well enough but I may try two more just for the heck of it .

[charlie cleveland]

they look pretty good to me...especially the buckshot load...charlie

[Paul Harm]

Wow, four turns is really good. I spin the crap out of mine. Maybe next time I'll see if I can do it with less cranking.

[CraigThompson]

I shot four rounds of Skeet at the club today . And I did it backwards I shot the first two with a 28 the third with a 16 and the last with the 8 . I should’ve shot the 8 first then the 16 and shot the light little 28 last . Used the roll crimped 1 5/8 ounce and star crimped 1 1/2 ounce loads . I’ll just say Brutus takes a bit of effort to get started and A LOT of effort on doubles to start stop and reverse :rotf: Didn’t get them all but I got enough to make me wanna do it some more . But next time I’ll shoot the 8 FIRST :whistle: