TSS shot

[Harry Neil]

Any using it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQcN-Dl920

[Milton C Starr]

Any using it....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaQcN-Dl920

I was pricing some the other day the loose shot I think it came out to $2.53 a ounce which is much cheaper than if you buy it loaded . I want to try some eventually but I dont see it being sustainable for use on waterfowl but on turkey the cost is irrelevant .

The patterns ive seen can put 500 hits in a 20" circle at 40 yards .
I think a #9 TSS weighs around the same as a #5 lead pellet but penetrates deeper because it has less surface area .

TSS almost has the density of depleted uranium

[Bill Anderson]

I use Federal TSS #9 in my 3" 20 gauge with .045 constriction. Have had a turkey kill to 52 yards so far, but I really have to deal with a problem I never had before, "shot drop", because of the extra weight of TSS. Beyond 55 yards you have to aim above the gobbler's head, so that limits shooting to the moon.

Bill

[Milton C Starr]

I use Federal TSS #9 in my 3" 20 gauge with .045 constriction. Have had a turkey kill to 52 yards so far, but I really have to deal with a problem I never had before, "shot drop", because of the extra weight of TSS. Beyond 55 yards you have to aim above the gobbler's head, so that limits shooting to the moon.

Bill

I think thats the main selling point of TSS it turns the smaller gauges into light weight light recoiling turkey guns . I want to try it in 10 gauge but I dont think 2.5 oz of TSS is needed in any application haha . All the 10 gauge TSS loads I have seen around around 2.5 oz .

Seen a picture yesterday a fellow was loading 3oz of TSS in a 8 gauge :shock:

[Victor Wasylyna]

"shot drop", because of the extra weight of TSS.
Bill

What is your comparison at 55 yards? Same size lead shot? No way the higher density causes this so-called shot-drop. Perhaps the TSS is less spherical and, thus, less aerodynamic?

- Victor

[Harry Neil]

Have used it on Pheasants out of a 28 Gauge with 9 shot. It was impressive....

All shot at 55 yards is dropping....

Smaller shot will no doubt drop more, but since the density of TTS make it carry like lead 5's the difference will not be that great...


https://www.clay-shooting.com/features/shot-drop/

(lead 7.5's drop 5 feet at 110 yards and lead 9's 5 feet at 104yards. When fired from the horizontal. At 50 the difference would be insignificant . TTS 9's being more dense would carry better than lead 9's)

It would take a fine and highly experienced eye to notice any difference on a move, mount, shoot presentation at varying distances.

[Bill Anderson]

What is your comparison at 55 yards? Same size lead shot? No way the higher density causes this so-called shot-drop. Perhaps the TSS is less spherical and, thus, less aerodynamic?

- Victor

Because of the increased ranges, whether lead, TSS or any shot, like a bullet, it drops. It's called gravity. In the past, before TSS, at the usual distance of 40 yards or so, I would not think about drop, but at 52 yards with TSS my patterns are averaging 4" to 5" below point of aim.

Bill

[Bill Anderson]

Like I said, all shot and bullets drop from the moment they leave the muzzle. Here is a chart showing one example with 7 1/2 shot ...

https://rangeservices.nra.org/media/4074/shotshell-ballistics.pdf

And since I am hunting turkey, I don't want to have to guess to the point where I am aiming above the gobbler's head. So I limit shots to 55 yards, although some TSS "You Tube" videos give you the illusion of hunting coyotes with TSS at 100 yards, which would be beyond difficult to do, with drops of 5 feet or so.

Bill

[Kenny Graft]

Is TSS safe in our old tight choked bird guns? After some research the answer is NO!.....SXS OHIO Thanks All

[Harry Neil]

Is TSS safe in our old tight choked bird guns? After some research the answer is NO!.....SXS OHIO Thanks All


I would be interested in seeing the verification of the mentioned research...





I did find this from Federal....For conversation I found the last comment perhaps relevant...

However, for the uplands, I don't think tight chokes are the best to use with TSS..However, safety is another issue....For mainly upland gunning, do we need TSS? A question the individual needs to answer. However again that is not a safety issue...TSS factory loads are low pressure and low velocity...Hot rodding them for reloading would definitely be unwise....

Product Overview
Kill gobblers at longer distances than ever before with HEAVYWEIGHT TSS. Its payloads of HEAVYWEIGHT Tungsten Super Shot provide the highest pellet counts possible. The tungsten-alloy material's 18 gm/cc density is 22 percent higher than standard tungsten and 56 percent more than lead. The result is the most energy and highest velocities at extreme range. Its rear-braking FLITECONTROL FLEX wad performs flawlessly through ported and standard turkey chokes for the most consistent, deadly patterns possible.

"HEAVYWEIGHT TSS payload with advanced buffering material
Extremely high pellet counts
22 percent denser material than standard tungsten; 56 percent denser than lead
FLITECONTROL FLEX wad provides extremely tight, consistent patterns through standard and ported turkey chokes*
Roll crimp and clear card wad keeps buffering material in place
Full-length wads prevent direct contact of the extra-hard pellets and the bore, protecting the barrel"

[Kenny Graft]

Like steel the pellets are very hard and could damage the choke as they are squeezed through. Can cause ring bulge in front of the choke. I googled this info. thanks All SXS OHIO

[Harry Neil]

Like steel the pellets are very hard and could damage the choke as they are squeezed through. Can cause ring bulge in front of the choke. I googled this info. thanks All SXS OHIO


I googled mine also and supplied the verification from Federal. Who I think most would consider a valid resource..In addition we are talking small shot which passes thru the choke much smoother....

Anyway, given a chance I will give Federal and Apex a call tomorrow and ask them specifically about TSS and older shotguns...

Hang on....

[Mark Garrett]

As for drop my turkey guns that I use TSS in have red dot sights which I zero center of pattern at 40yds so drop for 40 to 60 yds is insignificant . I consider 60yds max range with #9 TSS.

[Harry Neil]

Google....


https://apexmunition.com/collections/turkey-tss/pt-16-16-ga-2-3-4-1-5-8oz-5-shells/

[charlie cleveland]

heres a warning on a box of 20 ga turkey shells tungsten load....caution\...heavyweight tss shot may cause barrel damage to some guns...our special protective shot cup is designed to prevent or minimize this tendency but we do not accept responsibility for such barrel damage resulting from the use of these shells....I have shot tungsten shot trru some of my full choke guns with no damage thus far....patterns good out to 60 steps for me but at 70 steps its not a good pattern for me...all my shots thru fixed full choke guns....charlie

[Harry Neil]

heres a warning on a box of 20 ga turkey shells tungsten load....caution\...heavyweight tss shot may cause barrel damage to some guns...our special protective shot cup is designed to prevent or minimize this tendency but we do not accept responsibility for such barrel damage resulting from the use of these shells....I have shot tungsten shot trru some of my full choke guns with no damage thus far....patterns good out to 60 steps for me but at 70 steps its not a good pattern for me...all my shots thru fixed full choke guns....charlie


Thank you....

Just noticed this on an APEX TSS box...

"Apex Ammunition recommends choke constrictions no smaller than 660 for 12 Gauge loads and 555 for 20 Gauge loads."

Which is getting into tight choke constriction.

Combined with the slower speeds, lower pressure and the wad they use, if I decide to use them, I'm not going to worry about it too much....

However, admittedly there are options out there that have worked well for years....The TSS advantage is with smaller shot, it raises what can be done with the smaller gauges....

[John Dallas]

.660 for 12 gauge choke? That's about a .067 constriction. I've never seen anything much tighter than my .044/044 Sterly

[Harry Neil]

.660 for 12 gauge choke? That's about a .067 constriction. I've never seen anything much tighter than my .044/044 Sterly

There are Turkey screw chokes that are advertised to 660. Carlson makes one..

Question: Black Dog pic on your profile page, English Cocker? The one with the Pheasant.

[Milton C Starr]

.660 for 12 gauge choke? That's about a .067 constriction. I've never seen anything much tighter than my .044/044 Sterly

You can get them tighter than that also depending on the company . I used to have a .650 for my 12 gauge pump . I have also used in the 10 ga a .7000 and a Trulock .680

[John Dallas]

Nope. British Lab whose grandma was the British National champ in 1994. Before we lost her, she had over 1200 retrieves, and 80 trips to Detroit Children's hospital. She took me to special places

[Harry Neil]

Nope. British Lab whose grandma was the British National champ in 1994. Before we lost her, she had over 1200 retrieves, and 80 trips to Detroit Children's hospital. She took me to special places


Thanks, had a big English Cocker that looked very similar..

Good on you with taking him/her to the Children’s Hospital. I’ve spent 30 years working at the one here in Pittsburgh and have seen the smiles they bring when a small hand gets to touch their soft head. Enlightening also when the sick most often stare intensely into a gentle Dogs eyes.