A nice light Ithaca , off my bucket list

[Dave Tercek]

I finally got to pick up this little Ithaca over the weekend. The short barrels, short length of pull and weighing in at 4 1/2 lbs. might make it a little whippy. The cyl/cyl chokes should make it good for close work though.

[Jim DiSpagno]

lovely condition hope you never have to use it for its intended purpose Good luck with her

[Dean Romig]

What a beauty!

I was at a gun shop in NH a few years back that had three of those on the wall for display only... but yours is a ton nicer.

Incidentally, please tell us how badly your hand hurts when you fire it. :whistle:



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[Randy G Roberts]

Wow that's really nice. Congrats.

[Brian Dudley]

The auto and burglar gun. The grips on those things always amused me. That one is in great shape!

This one has the tang and trigger plate severely reshaped to fit the drop-down pistol grip shape. The flues models were like that. The later NID versions had more normal shaped tangs with the grip kind of immediately dropping down behind them.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Is there a restriction in some states on those? I was thinking that shotgun barrels under 18" might be illegal/ or require a special license. Dont get me wrong, I THINK ITS REALLY COOL, and that's in great shape.
What gage is that one?

[David Holes]

We had one here that went to the Cody museum and it required a special license

[Zacharysmith]

Be fun to wack a couple road birds with that old girl!

[Rick Losey]

Is there a restriction in some states on those? I was thinking that shotgun barrels under 18" might be illegal/ or require a special license. Dont get me wrong, I THINK ITS REALLY COOL, and that's in great shape.
What gage is that one?


they were 20ga

highly restricted

the Elmira NY police department found one in an old locker many years ago (before Ithaca closed) and tried to give it back to Ithaca but they couldn't receive it .

i have only known one person that has fired one - and he didn't want to do it again


funny side story, I had a shooting friend back in the 70's that picked up a nice 20ga NID Ithaca with simple but unique engraving. He called a friend at Ithaca to have him see what records he could find for it -- the return call was serious - get rid of it - you can't have it . my friend of course asked why and was told it was an Auto and Burglar gun. he laughed - it had nice wood and 28" barrels - the guess was when they stopped making them someone took one apart and reworked it - what the guy I knew at Ithaca called an "employee grade"

[Dean Romig]

I fired a similar single barrel 12 gauge and for a few days my hand felt like it got run over at high speed.





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[Dave Tercek]

From what I understand, the only A&B guns that are legal for anyone to own are the ones that were registered in 1968. I purchased this one in December / 2019 , sent a $ 5.00 check with some paperwork to the BATF , six months later the tax stamp arrived, I then took legal ownership. With a little patients it was simple.
From what I understand, if you find one of these that had not been registered in 1968 you can not be in possession of it. Ten years in jail and a $250,00.00 fine is the penalty.
There is know way to make them legal now.

[Rick Losey]

From what I understand, the only A&B guns that are legal for anyone to own are the ones that were registered in 1968. I purchased this one in December / 2019 , sent a $ 5.00 check with some paperwork to the BATF , six months later the tax stamp arrived, I then took legal ownership. With a little patients it was simple.
From what I understand, if you find one of these that had not been registered in 1968 you can not be in possession of it. Ten years in jail and a $250,00.00 fine is the penalty.
There is know way to make them legal now.


that explains a lot

[Brian Dudley]

I think that there may be some allowance for getting original Short barreled guns into the system that are legit and just undocumented. But new ones cannot be created modern day.

[Dave Tercek]

Brian, You may very well be correct. I was told the opposite. My information is all second or third hand though.

[Joseph Sheerin]

Curious to see what sort of TRAP scores you can post with that. :D

Congrats on new pick up.

[Dean Romig]

You would need a Federal Collector’s Licenseto buy or own one of these.

Same with a fully automatic Thompson “”Tommy Gun”.



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[Dave Tercek]

I applied for and got a Federal tax stamp. I think I'm legal now. The A&B's are classified as "any other weapon".

[David Noble]

You would need a Federal Collector’s Licenseto buy or own one of these.

Same with a fully automatic Thompson “”Tommy Gun”.



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Actually, a collectors license will not cut it. You need a Federal Tax Stamp to own or purchase any firearm that is in the NFA registry. This would include machine guns as well as select fire or full auto pistols, short barrel rifles or shotguns, any pistol that has a vertical front grip attached to it to allow for a two hand hold, any rifle or shotgun with an overall length shorter than 26 inches, a modern handgun (pistol or revolver) with a butt stock attached whether it is permanent or detachable (wrist braces are an exception), any firearm or ammunition that is classified as a destructive device. Some vintage firearms like the Ithaca Auto & Burglar and the Marbles Game Getter were made as legal short barreled firearms but they were reclassified later in the National Firearms Act to be Title II or prohibited weapons unless registered at the time or during the 1968 Amnesty period. There are quite a few variations of the classifications and rulings so it's sometimes difficult to decipher what is what. Word to the wise, if you're not sure, leave it alone until you've had time to research it. Some, like the firearm in this thread, are transferable for a $5 stamp. Others are $200. All require an application be filed with the BATF&E along with proper money to pay the fee for the tax stamp. This process can be many months long. The same applies to suppressors (silencers) also. It is still possible to buy newly manufactured short barreled shotguns that are manufactured using a receiver that has never been used on or assembled as a full length shotgun. These are still classified as "An Other Weapon" (AOW) but can be purchased with proper paperwork and fee paid.

On the other hand there are new variations of firearms being made that skirt the current regulations and can be bought over the counter in most states,
though these guns would be hard to come by right now due to the current gun buying frenzy. Guns like the Henry Mares Leg rifles, the Mossberg Shockwave, and the Remington Tac-14 are shown in the pics below.

[Brian Dudley]

Those 14” pumps are a total gray area in my eyes. Supposedly the ATF has blessed them and said they are “firearms” and not NFA items. Based on the overall length of 26.5” requirement. However, I always thought that it had to be an 18” barrel AND also be at least 26.5” overall length.

Either way... what I say to anyone who says they want one is that even though ATF says its ok. Good luck explaining that to the local law enforcement officer who finds it in your car or home.