PHE 10ga 36"

[Major McCollough]

I'm looking for specialized advice on the desirability of PHE 10ga 3 frame 36" Parker Steel barrels, letters as such, little used. I'd appreciate the comments of those who collect and use the big guns.

[Jeff Kuss]

That is a rather rare gun. The Parker Story does not show a P 10 with 36" barrels.
It was probably in one of the missing books.

[Jean Swanson]

Major

Jeff's statement as "rather rare" is an understatement ! I can speak as a former PHE 28 bore , 24" original barrel length ,2 frame as maybe the only .

Your PHE ,10 bore , 3 FRAME, 34" barrels might be the only. Missing books? Can not be proved either way.

Allan

[Jean Swanson]

Correction ---36"Barrels-----even more rare !!!

[CraigThompson]

I'm looking for specialized advice on the desirability of PHE 10ga 3 frame 36" Parker Steel barrels, letters as such, little used. I'd appreciate the comments of those who collect and use the big guns.

Is this the same 36” 10 gauge that was in the Auction held at Cliff Schuler auctions in Florida about 6 or so weeks ago ?

[Patrick Lien]

I'm looking for specialized advice on the desirability of PHE 10ga 3 frame 36" Parker Steel barrels, letters as such, little used. I'd appreciate the comments of those who collect and use the big guns.

Please post a picture of the letter.

PML

[Craig Larter]

A rare PHE 10ga with a vent rib just sold on this site with an asking price of 9750.
I purchased a very nice CH 10ga 34" (one of 3 I believe) for half the price of the PHE. I bought a D hammer gun 10ga 36 inch (1 of 3) for less than 5k.
I would say plenty of interest in a PHE 10/36 from big gun collectors. Condition will be the most significant factor, my guess is a 3K premium over a 10ga PHE 10/32 gun of equal condition. Just my guess.

[Major McCollough]

To Craig - yes

[Major McCollough]

Letter is attached

[Craig Larter]

Thanks for posting the letter, how about pictures of the gun?? Very cool.

[Patrick Lien]

Letter is attached

That is WAY COOL!! Anybody else have a 36" gun with ejectors? First one I have ever seen proof of. Thanks for the letter info. That is a rare gun in my opinion.

PML

[Mills Morrison]

Somebody just got a visit from Ed McMahon

[CraigThompson]

To Craig - yes

Well sir sorry to tell you but you and I were bidding against each other . And I thought for what the hammer dropped you got it for a very good price . In the pictures it looked as if the gun had been reblued and wood refinished is that correct ?

[Major McCollough]

Thanks, I will work on standard photos, but it is pretty much standard, either clean and crisp as a whistle or refinished a while ago as commented.

[Randy G Roberts]

That is WAY COOL!! Anybody else have a 36" gun with ejectors? First one I have ever seen proof of. Thanks for the letter info. That is a rare gun in my opinion.

PML

Yes I do have one. It is a DHE with 36 inch barrels and ejectors with a cost of $18.75 at the time. It is a 12 gauge though and your question may have been referring to a 10 gauge.

[Brian Dudley]

I had a 36” GHE 10g (fluid steel) in the shop maybe 6 years ago.

[Bill Mullins]

In the mid 1990’s while researching material for The Parker Story the late Charlie Price and I were in a gun shop in Texas (not Chadicks) and the owner showed us a GH 16 gauge with 40” barrels. It was well used but not abused, probably as a duck and goose gun, but all original. It was not for sale. He owned several Parkers along with many other guns. It was in a missing stock book. 😊

[Phillip Carr]

I believe the GHE 10 that Mr Dudley references is the one I own. No records of this GHE
(missing book).
No 10 gauge GHE’s with 36” fluid steel ejector barrels listed in the records.
Soon to be listed in the members area.

[Patrick Lien]

I believe the GHE 10 that Mr Dudley references is the one I own. No records of this GHE
(missing book).
No 10 gauge GHE’s with 36” fluid steel ejector barrels listed in the records.
Soon to be listed in the members area.

Hi Phil,
I think I remember this gun from Vegas a few years ago.

PML

[Patrick Lien]

Yes I do have one. It is a DHE with 36 inch barrels and ejectors with a cost of $18.75 at the time. It is a 12 gauge though and your question may have been referring to a 10 gauge.

Randy,
I should have known........

PML

[Phillip Carr]

Yes Patrick that is the one.

[Jeff Kuss]

I bought a vhe 36" 12 ga off this website about 3 yrs ago.

[Bill Murphy]

Bill Mullins, the 40" 16 gauge G grade came out of Shenandoah Guns in Berryville, VA. Judging from the time it was there, decades ago, it probably came from the General Billy Mitchell estate, which the shop was selling off at the time. If it was in fact the same gun, the barrels were Vulcan steel. Ben Toxvard would not sell me the gun, but a few years later, he relented and sold me his Curtis try gun, which was owned by Colonel Townsend Whelen.

[Alfred Greeson]

Interesting reading, you guys obviously have a lot of fun and are living right!

[CraigThompson]

Bill Mullins, the 40" 16 gauge G grade came out of Shenandoah Guns in Berryville, VA. Judging from the time it was there, decades ago, it probably came from the General Billy Mitchell estate, which the shop was selling off at the time. If it was in fact the same gun, the barrels were Vulcan steel. Ben Toxvard would not sell me the gun, but a few years later, he relented and sold me his Curtis try gun, which was owned by Colonel Townsend Whelen.

I was told Whelen had an intrest in that shop as more of a silent partner . A few years ago I met an older fellow in Culpeper that was big into single shot rifles . His two favorite cartridges were the Hornet and the R2 Lovell . He had a really awesome 03 Springfield in the Lovell cartridge I tried and tried to get as R F Sedgley had built the gun but I digress . The fellow at the time had an 1878 Sharps that was in 22 Blue Streak , if I’m not mistaken that was a 22 HiPower with refinements and necked back from .228 to .224 anyway he said he got it at Shenandoah Gunworks and it was a Whelen owned gun . He wouldn’t sell that one either , it was kinda neat in that it came with a period wooden tool box filled with loading tools for that gun . But then of the 40-50 guns of this type he owned I’d say over half of them had been purchased with period loading tools . The gentleman is gone now and I never got a gun from him but I did buy all his bullet molds . In his molds were a couple Ideal adjustable Perfection molds , I sold one of them right away and covered my cost with a few dollars left over . He had thirty or forty sealed G&H boxes of 22-3000 new primed brass , but it was so old it had gotten brittle but it still would’ve been of use to a cartridge collector .

[CraigThompson]

I suppose thirty years ago Jerry Amos told my pop about a 16 gauge Parker at Clark Brothers that was 34 or 36 inches . They had called Jerry to see if he wanted it the gun was never made available to the public in the shop and after he turned it down it was sent to Terrell Texas the following day .

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, the comment about my try gun being previously owned by Colonel Whelen, was meant to mean that the gun was used by stockmakers at Parker-Whelen in Washington, D.C., not to imply that Colonel Whelen had any ownership at Shenendoah Guns. Colonel Whelen's gunsmith moved to Berryville when Parker-Whelen closed and brought the try gun with him and apparently did some work for Ben Toxvard, who ended up owning the try gun.

[CraigThompson]

Craig, the comment about my try gun being previously owned by Colonel Whelen, was meant to mean that the gun was used by stockmakers at Parker-Whelen in Washington, D.C., not to imply that Colonel Whelen had any ownership at Shenendoah Guns. Colonel Whelen's gunsmith moved to Berryville when Parker-Whelen closed and brought the try gun with him and apparently did some work for Ben Toxvard, who ended up owning the try gun.

The old guy in Culpeper had said Whelen had an intrest in the shop . That’s why I said he supposedly was connected .

[Bill Murphy]

Ben always referred to the gunsmith who brought the try gun to his shop as "the old man up on the mountain". The old man lived behind the shop "up on the mountain". I know the supposed man he refers to, an ex gunsmith from Parker-Whelen, but I won't name him because I'm not 100% sure. Now that Michael Petrov and Ben Toxvard are both gone, I have no one to ask.

[Alfred Greeson]

Bill, sad to have the old timers go. I once met an old German gunsmith through a close friend. He told the story of when John Browning came to him and they worked most of the night getting the bugs out of the new A5 action. You never will forget those special conversations, I think that is why I enjoy being a part of this organization, good folks. Appreciating Parkers and others like say a 71 Winchester and the story of how Keith and Whelen and others worked to persuade Winchester to build one more lever gun, just classic stuff from the masters and we are the benefactors of their wisdom.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

I have a 16ga hammer gun with 38" twist barrels, with lightning cuts letters as such. they are out there just have to find them, Gary

[Major McCollough]

Can we see it? Thanks

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I had to check my 34" 16 ga O frame--no lightening cuts on it. Still so disappointed that it is in such bad shape, Had hoped to take it to the Southern or Hausmann's to get some more feedback/opinions.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

I will try to photo a few pictures of it, have not had good luck with photos lately, Gary

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

A couple photos, they are not real good

[charlie cleveland]

lovely long barrels...bet shesbad on doves....charlie