Prince of Wales (POW) Grip

[Dean Romig]

I don't know who's gun this is, I copied it to my files from somewhere on the Internet.

In my opinion, this is the closest I have seen to a true POW grip on a Parker shotgun. Note the length and very gradual or shallow radius of the curve of the grip. A bit less than what we more often see in a "round knob grip" that we see in research letters - often described in other research letters as a 'pistol grip' as opposed to a 'capped pistol grip'.

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[Garth Gustafson]

Remington gun Dean?

[Dean Romig]

I don't know for certain Garth, but judging by the figure of the wood (on a VH) and the color of the wood (presuming it is the original non-refinished wood) my guess is that it is very likely to be a Remington era gun.





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[Milton C Starr]

Thats interesting ! I wonder if the one who requested a POW style grip perhaps owned English guns beforehand and wanted to carry over the POW grip to their Parkers ? Either way its neat to see .

[edgarspencer]

In my opinion, which Dean will, no doubt disagree with, ALL ball grips, pistol grips (not capped), and half-pistol grips, without regard to the hair-splitting nuances of shape, differ from Prince Of Wales grips ONLY in terminology. The English called them POW Grips, we called everything but.

[Dean Romig]

So Edgar.... what you're saying is that regardless of what we (the Brits as well as the Americans) call them, they are otherwise all alike in design, contour and shape? If you answer "Yes" then you're right, I will disagree.
I know you spent many years in the British Isles, therefor are more qualified to make that determination but yes, I have a different opinion. :cheers:





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[edgarspencer]

Wow, it took you 12 minutes to jump on the keyboard? You're slipping, as evidenced by the fact you didn't read what I said about the shape.:nono:

[Milton C Starr]

In my opinion, which Dean will, no doubt disagree with, ALL ball grips, pistol grips (not capped), and half-pistol grips, without regard to the hair-splitting nuances of shape, differ from Prince Of Wales grips ONLY in terminology. The English called them POW Grips, we called everything but.

From the pictures ive been looking at the American half grips , the grip area is longer than the POWs but they do similar . Maybe Americans just have bigger hands than our English cousins ?:rotf:

I dont have a preference or bias towards or against either , I think the stubby POW looks better on some guns and the American half grip looks more fitting on others .

[Dean Romig]

But how can we possibly "disregard the hair-splitting nuances of shape" and still be able to define that which we are observing?





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[edgarspencer]

So Edgar.... what you're saying


No, I am Not.
Prior to Edward Albert Christian George Andrew Patrick David, AKA The Prince of Wales, who knows what the British referred to the shape of the stock as. It was Bertie's preferred stock and that's when the term was first coined. In the eyes of the British, regardless how we further broke it down, anything that was neither capped, or straight, was a POW grip.
It may or may not be correct, but neither is our slang of calling every Straight Stock an 'English Stock' correct.

When they asked me in high school if I wanted to take French, Spanish, or German, I should have asked if they taught 'Romig'.

[edgarspencer]

But how can we possibly "disregard the hair-splitting nuances of shape" and still be able to define that which we are observing?

All those nuances are (As I said, Previously) in my opinion, Fall under the main heading of POW. We can further brake them down any way we see fit. I recall someone calling the checkered ball grip on a lovely hammer gun a 'Scrotum Grip'.

[Dean Romig]

Okay...I took my "Call a Friend" option and just got off the phone with David Trevallion.

David told me that only one gunmaker in England ever made a gun with the Prince of Wales grip and that was Churchill who made guns for King Edward, the Prince of Wales and it was then onward referred to as the "Prince of Wales"grip. He said that even Purdey's never made such a thing but that Tom Purdey had a very specific grip preference and his favored grip was forever after known as the "Tommy Grip".

He said that even McIntosh used to talk about POW grips on Foxes and other guns and David said that "that was all rubbish. Fox nor any other gun company ever made a Prince of Wales grip."

I asked him what was the difference in shape or contour of the POW grip and he said it was a more gradual shallower curve and didn't have a ball or swell to it.
I showed him the above two pictures and he said they were close to what a POW grip would have looked like.

So, I stand somewhat corrected.





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[edgarspencer]

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

[Harold Lee Pickens]

I like POW grip, Fox guns were nicely done that way.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

This is an example of the "scrotum grip"

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

That is just what I call it double click for enlargement, gary

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

And by the way that is one of Mr Spencers cases, good job Edgar, Gary

[G. Wells]

Unrelated, but how do you keep the stock and barrels from moving when you move the case?

[CraigThompson]

I don’t care what they’re called as long as it’s not an Etchen grip . As I can do equally well or bad with most all of them except the Etchen style , that thing just looking at it makes my hand feel cramped . And an Etchen grip may be the greatest thing since sliced bread but I don’t care for it !

[CraigThompson]

Unrelated, but how do you keep the stock and barrels from moving when you move the case?

Blow the picture up ! When you look closer you’ll see there’s very little play in the different compartments. Hence the term “fitted case” .

[edgarspencer]

Unrelated, but how do you keep the stock and barrels from moving when you move the case?

There is only about 1/16" clearance between the top of the dividers and the inside lid of the box.

[edgarspencer]

And by the way that is one of Mr Spencers cases, good job Edgar, Gary

Gary, I was looking at the picture thinking 'wow Gary's got a chair just like mine.' Then I realized I took that before I sent the gun & box back to you.
Did I forget to make a cover for the right hand compartment, or did I just take the picture before I put the cover in?

[Bill Murphy]

Break.

[G. Wells]

Thanks-my eyesight must not be very good. It looked to me as if there were some extra room around the action.