Parker Gun 1912 flying duck

[Craig Estes]

Hi i am new to this site, as I was going through some old family treasures and came upon this catalog
The Parker Gun


I have a Flying duck 1912 catalog.
I am looking for any information or interest in this item. I have found a picture of it in the memorabilia catalog that only says it is rare and $650.

[Craig Estes]

Hi i am new to this site, as I was going through some old family treasures and came upon this catalog
The Parker Gun


I have a Flying duck 1912 catalog.
I am looking for any information or interest in this item. I have found a picture of it in the memorabilia catalog that only says it is rare and $650.
Memorabilia

[Craig Larter]

Value all depends on condition. If in top condition I would say $325. Is more realistic.

[Bill Murphy]

Send us a picture. I can't find any catalog information on this site. It's probably here but not too accessible. A 1912 catalog in high condition is worth a few bucks more than $325. Sorry, just my opinion.

[Eric Eis]

Is someone fishing.....just saying:rolleyes:

[Craig Estes]

fish for information yes.
Fishing to sell maybe, what little I have found says that it is rare?

[Mike Kobos]

Please post pictures of the cover as well as something showing it is from 1912. It's cover sounds like the 1916 catalog on page 756 of Volume two of the Parker Story. If it really is a 1912 catalog, then it is fairly rare, since when Louis Parker and I provided the information for the chapter on Parker catalogs in the Parker Story, neither one of us had that catalog in our collections

[Eric Eis]

fish for information yes.
Fishing to sell maybe, what little I have found says that it is rare?

Be interesting how many pm's he has gotten, he is fishing for sales:whistle:

[Victor Wasylyna]

Be interesting how many pm's he has gotten, he is fishing for sales:whistle:

The Board of Directors should do something about this type of subversion of forum rules. We see it often and there is a simple fix: no private messaging for "forum associates."

-Victor

[Bill Murphy]

Why would he get so many PMs if he has a 1916 Flying Ducks that he values at $650? By the way, TPS describes it as a "Flying Geese" catalog. Those are ducks, not geese. The poster must send a picture is he wants to sell it on this site. I agree that non PGCA members should not have PM privileges on the For Sale subforums. By the way, what is the catalog that Mike Kobos describes that is not in TPS?

[Craig Estes]

It is a 1912 flying ducks.
I have joined in order to post to ask questions and hopefully get some correct information, s I can not find information anywhere else.
It is The Parker Gun flying ducks so as a Parker gun collector forum I believed you people would have the information.

[Craig Estes]

[QUOTE=Craig Estes;293804]It is a 1912 flying ducks.
I have joined in order to post to ask questions and hopefully get some correct information, I can not find information anywhere else.
It is The Parker Gun flying ducks so as a Parker gun collector forum I believed you people would have the information.
And I haven't received any PM yet.

[Bill Murphy]

At least give us a color and dimension description if you won't post a picture. Your 1912 description is not in our vocabulary. We're trying our best but we don't think you know what you have.

[Eric Eis]

Why would he get so many PMs if he has a 1916 Flying Ducks that he values at $650? By the way, TPS describes it as a "Flying Geese" catalog. Those are ducks, not geese. The poster must send a picture is he wants to sell it on this site. I agree that non PGCA members should not have PM privileges on the For Sale subforums. By the way, what is the catalog that Mike Kobos describes that is not in TPS?

I agree with Bill, any forum associate (non Parker member) should not have PM privileges because too many come on here just to fish and see who takes the bait. I don't think it would be that hard to turn of PM's to forum associates.

[Reggie Bishop]

It is a 1912 flying ducks.
I have joined in order to post to ask questions and hopefully get some correct information, s I can not find information anywhere else.
It is The Parker Gun flying ducks so as a Parker gun collector forum I believed you people would have the information.


You state "I have joined". Have you paid your membership dues to actually join the PGCA? If not I would invite you to do so! There is a wealth of information available to members.

[Craig Larter]

Here is what is referred to as the Flying Geese Catalog

[Mike Kobos]

The catalog that started this thread is listed as a 1912. TPS does not show the catalog as described other than under the 1915 description that says "A new catalog appears in 1915, or maybe earlier, with a new cover..." That is the reason I suggest that the original poster show evidence from inside the catalog that it is in fact a 1912. The 1915 and 1916 are easier to find.

[Mike Kobos]

Craig - What year is yours?

[Craig Larter]

The inside cover is stamped"Prices in this Catalog subject to change without notices."
No price sheet. I always figured 1916-17. Craig

[Craig Estes]

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this is the information I found on this forum
sportingcollectibles.com.
I wish it was easier for me to post pictures i would send all the pages.
The reason I started this page was because there is no dates on this catalog.

the first gun listed is a
Quality A. No. 1 special
with automatic ejector - Net, $400.00
it is 36 pages and yes it does have geese NOT DUCKS on the cover

[Eric Eis]

Sorry, I think he is fishing...I'm probably wrong but my gut says no, he's fishing

[Craig Estes]

CL
there is no stamp as you suggested and the prices are listed by grade and specifications. and there is no date anywhere.
Page 22. OUR AIM

From the beginning of our career of nearly fifty years, it has been our aim
so on it goes, what year did they start?

[Craig Estes]

80933 the first page.

[Craig Estes]

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page 22

[Craig Larter]

Looks to me you have a standard Flying Geese circa 1915 Catalog without a inserted price sheet which would have been dated.Therefore it is nearly impossible to tell the exact date, but others more knowledgeable may disagree. It would be in everyone's best interest if you did not sell your catalog off line, the right thing to do is join the PGCA and sell it in the classified section of this forum. You will get the best price and you have already received $45.00 in free information and advise. Craig

[Mike Kobos]

I agree with Craig Larter's conclusion that it is a 1915 catalog. Craig (the poster) states the A1 Special was $400. I just reviewed A1 Special prices from the following; 1911 pocket catalog = $525; 1912 pocket catalog = $393.75; 1913 pocket catalog = $393.75; ; 1915 catalog = $400; 1915 with 1916 price overlay =$400; 1916 pocket catalog = $400
In addition Craig E's catalog shows upwards of 170,000 guns in use with a career of over 50 years. Production of Parker shotguns reached 169930 at the end of 1914. Hope this helps

[Craig Estes]

Thanks so much for your time Craig & Mike. I'm not sure what I will do with this, maybe put it in the gun safe for the grand kids.
But I will be adding some information with it.

[Bill Murphy]

You had best sell it now, not give it to your grandkids. It was easily a $650 catalog a few years ago, but now it is going unsold at that price on the Pat McKune ad you posted. One of our members posted its value in the $325 area. Sell before it goes down again. By the way, Pat's Parker offerings have always been a good reference, but, somehow, his stuff doesn't fly off the shelf, probably because his prices are at the top end of reasonable. Most serious Parker memorabilia collectors already own the items on his list.

[Craig Estes]

Was just wondering what year the Trojan Grade first came out?

[John Knobelsdorf II]

The Trojan Grade was introduced in 1912 as a $25.00 gun to compete with lower priced shotguns. First serial number: 159374

[Craig Estes]

page 19 says that the Quality Trojan is a New Gun At $27.50 NET

[Dean Romig]

The Trojan was introduced in 1912.





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[Craig Larter]

I found the price sheet from my Flying Geese Catalog, it is dated January 1 1912 but there is no price for the Trojan. My catalog has a Trojan page with a price of $27.50. The price sheet, order blank and a one page insert showing the cost to convert extractor guns to ejector. The appears these three sheets were inserted into the Flying Geese Catalog.

[Dean Romig]

The Trojan was introduced in 1912 but maybe not on January 1st.

Were these three pages inserted by Parker Brothers as an addendum to the catalog perhaps later in 1912 or 1913 or later?






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[Bill Murphy]

Craig, you're the man who should know. Are they ducks or geese on the tan 1915 catalog? What variety?

[Craig Larter]

So maybe the Flying Geese catalog was 1912 post January and published to catalog the new Trojan but why a list of $27.50 and not $25.00?? By the way I paid $300 for my FG Catalog last year on e-bay so I stand by my estimate of value. The ducks on the catalog do not match any in North America.

[Dean Romig]

Parker Bros. did eventually lower the price to $25.00 in order to compete with other 'entry level' guns on the market at the time.




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[Reggie Bishop]

I have a reproduction of this catalog. The company that reproduced it refer to it as a “1913 Flying Duck” catalog.

[Craig Estes]

thank you Craig L for the 1912 price list, although the guns on the page line up the prices do not. So I would have to assume this is not a 1912.
Reggie B could this be the 1913 Flying Duck catalog that you have. Reggie does your catalog have a price sheet?

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page 27 also has a picture of the ducks that maybe the same ones as on the cover.

[Reggie Bishop]

I have no price list. My reproduction cover looks exactly like the one CL posted a picture of.

[Garth Gustafson]

My Flying Duck catalog from Cornell pubs is a copy. But it shows c1913 on the cover.

[Craig Estes]

Yes that is the same as the one I have.
I ould be interested are the pages I posted the same as yours?

[Garth Gustafson]

Yes, they are the same.
It also has the Quality Trojan, a new gun at $27.50 net

[Craig Estes]

so with all the information that has been shared should i consider this to be a 1913 catalog?
How is the best way to sell this without being against the rules

[Dean Romig]

You just did violate the rules.





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[Eric Eis]

You just did violate the rules.





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I'm sure the pm's are coming as we speak, got to love these trolls :banghead: He knew what he was doing.

[Craig Estes]

I hate to burst your bubble but I havent received even 1 PM since I started this. But I have received a lot of information and thankful for it all.