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[Harold Lee Pickens]

Was just offered what may be a 16 ga hammer gun with 34" barrels. It has twist barrels, receiver and fore arm , but no butt stock, and has 1 hammer missing.Early gun ser #46296, any book info on this gun?
Don't have any pics of gun yet, but he will have his kids text me pics.
I would think 34" on a 16 hammer would be quite uncommon. Thanks

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Wonder how hard it would be to find a stock for that

[Randy G Roberts]

It's in the book as follows Harold: PT T 0 C 16 34

[Rick Losey]

the hammer will be harder to find than a stock

BUT HECK - its a 34" 16

it would be worth buying a wreck just to get the hammers

[Brian Dudley]

They are out there. But very rare obviously. Recently Puglisi had both a 34” and 36” 16g hammers guns for sale. Maybe still does, I dont know.

If the barreled action can be gotten for a decent price, it would certainly justify trying to save it and put it back together. If the barrels are good.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

My thoughts exactly Brian. I am supposedly getting some pictures sent, but doubt I can tell the condition of the bores. I may just roll the dice and pick it up. I already own that same gun with 26" barrels--may even be able to fit them up. On second thought, mine is an O frame with lightening cuts, and would assume this to be an 1 frame, so probably not.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Brett Hoops sent me a picture from the book showing a little run of "long" barreled guns, all 16 ga. 9 x34" and 4 x 36" guns all O grade twist

[Brian Dudley]

One of the ones Puglisi had was a grade 2 Damascus. Not sure which length that one was. I think it was 34".

[Randy G Roberts]

One of the ones Puglisi had was a grade 2 Damascus. Not sure which length that one was. I think it was 34".

Pugs had two Grade 2 guns at Ernies, both were 16's. One a 36" and the other a 38".

[Dean Romig]

When you get the pics you should show us a pic of the hammer it has and maybe one of us can come up with a matching hammer for the other side.





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[Bill Murphy]

There is no reason to think that the gun in question is or is not a #0 frame gun. Buy it and worry about the frame size and stock later on.

[Randy G Roberts]

During a conversation I was having with Lou Rotelli he commented on a hammer that he had made for a higher grade Parker as I recall it, memory seems to tell me that it was actually on his business card. He was exceptionally proud of it, rightfully so. If this escalates into a project you might consider reaching out to Lou if you cannot acquire a hammer elsewhere.

[Dean Romig]

Dave Fjelline makes hammers to order and has them engraved to duplicate the engraving of the hammer on the other side or to replicate the engraving of most hammers.





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[Brian Dudley]

Between used hammers and the few options out there for new hammers... The hammers are the easy part of putting that gun back together.

[Dean Romig]

Ain’t THAT the truth!





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[charlie cleveland]

now you talk about a dove gun...34 inches is a kinda rare pair of barrels...dont figure they made many 16 s with 34 or longer barrels...charlie

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Well, they say don't count your chickens before they hatch, but looks like a done deal. I was sent several cell phone pictures, but the lighting pretty dim. The outside of the barrels are not bad, still a lot of twist pattern visible but does have a small dent in one that looks fixable. The right hammer is missing--along with the stock. He said the bores were fair, so hopefully so. He said he thought it was a 1 frame. I got a PM from a PGCA member who thinks he has a stock for a 1 frame, and possibly the hammers.
So I think we have a project gun. I will certainly post pictures after I receive the gun, and be asking for recommendations and opinions. I would probably
have the barrels rebrowned, of course, new stock and wood refinish, may even case color. Probably wont do anything for a while, except to accumulate the needed parts, then bring it to Hausmanns where I can get some hands on opinions from many of you . A 34" 16 should be fun to shoot. Thanks all who replied and sent PM's.

[Randy G Roberts]

Ahh the excitement of a great project like this. Good for you. This one sounds worth the effort. Hope it works out for you.

[Harold Lee Pickens]

Excitement, apprehension, the feeling of what the hell am I getting into, but yes, seems like a worthy project. Hey Mike Koneski, maybe even a PP story .

[Milton C Starr]

now you talk about a dove gun...34 inches is a kinda rare pair of barrels...dont figure they made many 16 s with 34 or longer barrels...charlie

I think pugs recently had two hammer 16 gauge Parkers one with 38" barrels and the other 36" :shock: . Cant have been more than a few like that made .

[Brett Hoop]

Harold

I am excited about this one. My crystal ball sees those barrels catching and passing a downwind cock pheasant.

[edgarspencer]

One of our members is retrieving a 38” 16ga.
It supposedly has a lightened water table, which doesn’t make much sense to me.

[Milton C Starr]

One of our members is retrieving a 38” 16ga.
It supposedly has a lightened water table, which doesn’t make much sense to me.

I wonder if its this one ? http://puglisiguns.cloudapp.net/inventory/12811

They also have a 36" 16 ga
http://puglisiguns.cloudapp.net/inventory/12902

[Dean Romig]

The thirty-eight incher is a 0-grade not a G grade as advertised.





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[Craig Larter]

Harold it sure seems like a very worthy project. The collecting community is lucky we have so many people that are willing to rescue these great old rare and unusual guns. Your reward will be pulling the trigger for the first time. I can't wait to see a picture of you holding the gun with a big grin on your face. Congratulations on a great find.

[Dean Romig]

One of our members is retrieving a 38” 16ga.
It supposedly has a lightened water table, which doesn’t make much sense to me.

I have hefted that gun Edgar and it is pretty well balanced. It sure doesn’t feel like the barrels are that long.
I think of any of my 3 grade-1 16’s on the 0-frame with lightening cuts with 26” or 28” barrels and that 38” one handles the same.... all you have to do is close your eyes.

....but then you couldn’t see your bird.



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[Randy G Roberts]

now you talk about a dove gun...34 inches is a kinda rare pair of barrels...dont figure they made many 16 s with 34 or longer barrels...charlie

Charlie I was told that E.C. Meacham placed an order for 59 guns at one time. All 16 gauge with 36" barrels. Like a lot of Parkers there are probably a few more out there than we realize.

[edgarspencer]

The gun Harold is getting is one of a group of 14, consecutive. Makes you wonder......
Like everything else, 'To Each His Own'. but that 38" gun is more a curiosity to me than something I'd need to own.

Dean, my grade 2, 30" weighs 6lbs, 11 oz., so, using the old rule of thumb of 2oz per inch of muzzle end barrel material, Pug's gun should weigh 22oz more than mine, less the minuscule amount the lightning cuts amount to.
Since those cuts are behind the hinge pin, and the barrels must clearly be heavier than my gun, how could the gun balance at the pin, unless there was weight in the stock?
You have had the benefit of putting mitts on it, and my mind is just wandering, as it does this time of year, so I'm obviously overthinking it.
Hmmm. Ive seen you shoot, and now I understand your technique, though your score might improve if you try opening your eyes.

[Rick Losey]

Hmmm. Ive seen you shoot, and now I understand your technique, though your score might improve if you try opening your eyes.

but if it didn't then what :rolleyes:

[Harold Lee Pickens]

This gun does not have "lightening cuts' according to the seller. He is taking the gun to be shipped today--coming out of Cajun country--New Orleans. Love listening to his N'orlins drawl.
BTW, records are available, so Chuck, you may hear from me soon.

[edgarspencer]

but if it didn't then what :rolleyes:

There's always golf.

[Dean Romig]

Arrgh....Golf has never been an option, nor even a distant thought for me....

I was going to liken golf to trap shooting but I have too many friends here who play golf.... and who shoot trap.





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[Daryl Corona]

They do call the game of sporting clays "golf with a shotgun".

[edgarspencer]

They do call the game of sporting clays "golf with a shotgun".

Probably because it involves golf carts, a wonderful offshoot of the game of golf.

I will admit, I enjoy following my wife around when she plays. Partly because I enjoy watching her intensity, and seeing her have fun. Dean, we go out to Kineo every year for the final day of their season; usually on my birthday.

[Dean Romig]

That would be a lovely excursion in good weather in that sweet little launch you had on Moosehead.





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[Rick Losey]

i like golf- or cow pasture pool as my grandfather called it

i don't play it - but i like it because it keeps people off the trout streams

[edgarspencer]

That would be a lovely excursion in good weather in that sweet little launch you had on Moosehead.

Ha! From Curriers (West Cove) to Kineo would take, oh, roughly, all summer.

[John Dallas]

Golf - A good walk spoiled. If you want to watch a funny bit on golf, google up "Robin William's golf" language gets a bit (lot) rough

[Jim DiSpagno]

Also google GEORGE Carlin’s bit on golf. Lol

[Alfred Greeson]

Another great Parker story developing. Nothing like a new puppy or a just found piece of a rare gun to get everyone's blood pumping. Just like a Colt Lightning pistol I saw that had just come from a New Orleans cat house, the "Lady" had just traded it for a hot Smith 38, talk about "if that one could talk". Congrats on a great find, looking forward to the story as it develops!