Help to identify this Remington

[Chuck Bishop]

I believe this is a Remington 1894 but I'm not sure of the grade. Anyone know for sure? Also is the grade marked anywhere on the gun?

[Steve Huffman]

I don't know but its nice looking !

[Drew Hause]

Chuck: the barrels of "Legia P." usually found on D grades

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[davidboyles]

That's a winner I just aquired a really nice original CE. Looking at Semmers book I believe you have a nice D grade which are rare. Made from 1894 to say 1907 hard to tell according to Semmers book. and engraved by some of the best. Possibly including Joseph Loy who in my mind was one of the best engravers ever. Let me know if you ever decide to part with it. You you can borrow Semmers book there is quite a bit of info on this model. It is a considerable step up from the C grade. My shoots doves like a dream although they are heavy!!

[Chuck Bishop]

So Drew, would you say this is a DEO grade? It does have ejectors.

[Bill Murphy]

Chuck, is that your gun, and, do you need a Semmer book? Let me know.

[Dave Noreen]

The gun appears to be a D-Grade, DE-Grade if it has ejectors. "Normally" the grade is stamped on the left watertable --

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or on the "bridge" if the gun has what Charles Semmer referred to as the "bridge frame" --

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I have seen a handful of Remington Hammerless Doubles that I would consider to be D-/DE-/DEO-Grades that were not stamped.

A DEO-Grade would have "Ordnance Steel" barrels --

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Normally 12-gauge Remington Hammerless Doubles were made for 2 5/8 inch shells. If ordered for longer shells, it was stamped on the bottom of the barrels just forward of the barrel flats --

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According to Charles' serial number chronology 110960 would be from early 1899.

[Chuck Bishop]

Thanks for the info. Not my gun yet! Any idea as to rarity and wild ballpark value assuming good original, mechanical, and physical condition?

[Anthony Pilotti]

would the value be comparable to a DHE parker?

[Chuck Bishop]

What are the highest grades that Remington made in this model?

[Dave Noreen]

The highest grade offered from the introduction of the Remington Hammerless Double in the October 1894 Remington Arms Co. catalog was E-/EE-Grade in 12- or 10-gauge,

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In 1897 the 16-gauge was added to the offerings, and Ordnance Steel as an option in all grades and Remington Steel barrels for the A-quality guns.

In 1902 the Remington Special was added at the top of the line --

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1908-09 catalog --

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[Anthony Pilotti]

It is a 12ga. 28" I believe the butt plate was right, will need to double check that

[Dave Noreen]

The A- to C-quality Remington Hammerless Doubles normally had the R A Co. logo hard rubber butt plate.

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A horizontally grooved horn butt plate was normal on the D-quality and sometimes on E-quality guns,

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but E-quality guns might also have engraved steel heel and toe plates. A leather-faced Silvers pad was another possibility --

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[charlie cleveland]

this gun is way above a d grade parker....charlie

[Dave Noreen]

The DE-quality Remington Hammerless Double was priced about like a CH Parker Bros. These pages from the 1898 Remington Arms Co. catalog --

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From the introduction in October 1894 catalog through the second 1901 catalog Remington Arms Co. only pictured the A-quality gun and just listed the higher quality guns. The 1897 Hartley & Graham catalog pictures all the grades.

[Brian Dudley]

Chuck,
That Remington is beautiful.

[Daryl Corona]

Wow Chuck that is one fine Remington. Can you do a letter on it??:whistle:

[Anthony Pilotti]

Thank you, Chuck and everyone for the help with identifying the gun, Happy to say I'm the new owner!

[Anthony Pilotti]

http://remington 1894

[Harry Collins]

I was in Ashville, North Carolina over the weekend and visited the Biltmore. We weren't allowed in the Gun Room, but from the window there appeared to be a pair very similar to Chucks beautiful Remington. Keeping them company looked to be a few Winchester 1894's and a Mannlicher-Schonauer 1903.

[Chuck Bishop]

Anthony is the one who discovered it at a local auction. I just tried to guide him to the information to make an informed decision. Thanks to everyone, especially Dave and Josh. Can anyone orient the pictures correctly? Seems the smart phone pictures do this quite often! Anyone know how to prevent this with smart phones. It never happened to me using a digital camera.