Pics for Charlie cleavland

[wayne goerres]

Couldn't find your email so I will post a couple of pic's here. Some of the other members might enjoy these. Just finnished building this yesterday. It is a smokeless muzzleloader. It will shoot a 45cal 275gr bullet at 3000 fps. Here is the pics.

[Dean Romig]

WOW!!

That thing should knock down anything on this or any other continent!!






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[Jerry Harlow]

It looks like a Remington Bolt but the nut looks like a Savage front end. What is it? Details please. I shoot the Savage 10 MLII (smokless), and would not trade it for the world, well maybe for one of these.

[wayne goerres]

It probably kill anything on the planet. Jerry it's a hybrid . So you are correct on both counts.

[Jerry Harlow]

Is the .45 bullet in a sabot?

[wayne goerres]

45 cal bullet is bore diameter. No sabot.

[Mark Garrett]

Great looking gun ! what ignition system are you using ?

[wayne goerres]

It is a Hankins.

[Richard Flanders]

I'll let you know if I book at T Rex hunt somewhere.....

[CraigThompson]

I was totally satisfied with the Savage ML-II and then it developed a blow by issue . Savage rebarreled it returned it and it shot great if loaded and shot right away . Sent it back again and they eventually sent me a brand new one . Never fired the new one kept it six months and sold it on GB for a tidy $500 profit . About eight months ago I got a Remington 700 Ultimate ML and like it just fine . Shot 42 grains of VV N-110 with a 250 saboted bullet in the Savage for 2150 FPS in the Remington I use 64.5 grains H4198 and a saboted 250 for 2150 FPS as well . Both were or are capable of 3 shot one hole groups at 100 yards .

[Joe Dreisch]

http://www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com/models.htm

Check these out. Extremely powerful and unbelievably accurate. Smokeless powder, 45 cal., superbly made.

[Daryl Corona]

It looks like a Remington Bolt but the nut looks like a Savage front end. What is it? Details please. I shoot the Savage 10 MLII (smokless), and would not trade it for the world, well maybe for one of these.

Would you mind sharing your load data Jerry?

[wayne goerres]

That sounds pretty slow for the charge you are using and by the way your Remington is not designed for smokeless powder. I started with 60grs of IMR4198 and a 300gr Hornady FXT and was getting between 2450 and 2495 fps.

[CraigThompson]

That sounds pretty slow for the charge you are using and by the way your Remington is not designed for smokeless powder. I started with 60grs of IMR4198 and a 300gr Hornady FXT and was getting between 2450 and 2495 fps.

I know it’s not and that’s what the Chrony said as an average for three shots twelve feet from the muzzle . Perhaps the Vhrony was giving false readings I dunno . I also chronographed 225 and 200 grainers with the same powder charges and velocity lessened . Which I thought awful strange at the time .

[CraigThompson]

http://www.badbullmuzzleloaders.com/models.htm

Check these out. Extremely powerful and unbelievably accurate. Smokeless powder, 45 cal., superbly made.

I kinda like the one built on the Ruger #1 action , but I can’t say I care for the prices .

[bob weeman]

My favorite deer hunting is muzzle loader season here in Maine. Last part of the season when almost no one is in the woods and usually snow on the ground to track. I almost bought a smokeless muzzle loader as I would love to try one. This one is very cool! Could not justify it for here in Maine though as the chance for a shot at a range beyond my Encore is extremely slight. I use the Blackhorn 209 powder which cleans up just like smokeless. You can shoot many shots and never have to clean it till you put it away. Has a little better velocity that other powders but not to the smokeless level. Very accurate in my guns and 200 yard shots are quite doable. I would bet the average shots at deer here in Maine are well under 100 yards though. Might still have to get a smokeless one though just to play with....they intrigue me...

[wayne goerres]

This one will probably never see a hunt all thow I was surprised when I weight it this morning. It only weighs 11.4 lbs. It felt heaver than that.

[CraigThompson]

This one will probably never see a hunt all thow I was surprised when I weight it this morning. It only weighs 11.4 lbs. It felt heaver than that.

The Remington I use now is pretty heavy although not as much as yours . But certainly a good bit heavier then the Savage 10ML-II .

[CraigThompson]

I would bet the average shots at deer here in Maine are well under 100 yards though..

I keep a ledger/journal of my deer kills distance gun scope cartridge load time of day etc etc . Anyway I’m well over 300 and low and behold the average of all the deer I’ve plunked is about 42 yards . My pop used to tell me “you could kill just about every deer you’ve taken with a 30-30” :eek:

[charlie cleveland]

wayne you have built a fine rifle looks good and built like a tiger tank...i bet this rifle is capable of a 300 yard shot and beyond....i aint fired a muzzle loader in a long time this will make me get get my dsds rifles out and hunt some with them... hope you get to take the big gun out hunting and take a big buck with it...enjoyed the pictures and details of the gun.....charlie

[wayne goerres]

Craig. Before I built mine I looked at the rem. and the CVA Paramont. I called rem and they said that their gun was not designed for smokeless powder. I chose not to second guess their engineers. They wouldn't tell me what their barrel steel was or the material the breech plug is made of. The one guy that I know is converting the 700 ultimate is changing the breech plugs and maybe the barrels. His name is Jeff Hankins. He knows what he is doing. And thank you charlie for the kind words.

[Milton C Starr]

Couldn't find your email so I will post a couple of pic's here. Some of the other members might enjoy these. Just finnished building this yesterday. It is a smokeless muzzleloader. It will shoot a 45cal 275gr bullet at 3000 fps. Here is the pics.

That seems pretty close to my 460 Weatherby , I think it will push the 300gr ttsx at 3100 fps .

I had at one point wanted a smokeless muzzleloader but couldnt find anyone who could build one like I wanted .

[Richard Flanders]

Sounds like a great round for Fred Flintstone to take down Brontosaurus with!

[Jerry Harlow]

Would you mind sharing your load data Jerry?

Daryl,

Sorry I missed your request back in November.

Savage Smokeless Load:

40 grains 4759
.45 cal. (.452) 250 grain HP/XTP
Muzzleload Magnum Products (MMP) .50 black sabot (the only one Savage recommended)
WW 209 primer

This will blow a hole in a deer at close range.

[charlie cleveland]

boy if davy crockett would have had this rifle no tellen how history would have turned out...wayne you gona have to get you self a gun toter for sure....that big buck you seen has headed for the hills when he heard about this gun....charlie

[wayne goerres]

You may be right Charlie. I haven't seen him since.