28 gauge

[CraigThompson]

For those of you that own 28’s built on both the 0 and 00 frames , is there a noticeable difference in the feel if they have relatively the same dimensions ?

[Reggie Bishop]

There is a very noticeable difference in the two in my opinion. I have owned both.

[CraigThompson]

There is a very noticeable difference in the two in my opinion. I have owned both.

Elaborate please .

[Brian Dudley]

For sure. The 0 frame feels pretty beefy with those little 28g tubes.

[CraigThompson]

Hmmmm :eek:

[Reggie Bishop]

The 0 frame 28 carries much like a light 20. The 00 frame is light and faster handling, and very lithe.

[Reggie Bishop]

I like both frame size 28s. The 0 frame is a very enjoyable gun to carry and shoot. But the difference is noticeable no doubt.

[CraigThompson]

I like both frame size 28s. The 0 frame is a very enjoyable gun to carry and shoot. But the difference is noticeable no doubt.

Well I’ve got one on the 0 frame headed my way . Suspect it’ll be awhile before I can add a second on a 00 frame :whistle:

[Eric Estes]

Looking forward to seeing pics of it, congrats!

[Dean Romig]

Neither is better. I prefer the 28 on the 00-frame but that’s just my preference.
The 0-frame is the standard frame size for the 20 gauge. Putting a set of 28 gauge barrels on the 0-frame was an afterthought. But this gave way to the development of the 00-frame dedicated 28 gauge frame. An absolute delight to carry all day and still come up and swing like a part of your body.
Yeah, I’ll take a 28 on the 00-frame any day.






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[CraigThompson]

Neither is better. I prefer the 28 on the 00-frame but that’s just my preference.
The 0-frame is the standard frame size for the 20 gauge. Putting a set of 28 gauge barrels on the 0-frame was an afterthought. But this gave way to the development of the 00-frame dedicated 28 gauge frame. An absolute delight to carry all day and still come up and swing like a part of your body.
Yeah, I’ll take a 28 on the 00-frame any day.

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This is kinda the reason I asked in another thread when the 00 frame first came about . My little VHE 20 feels very lively to me and the 0 frame VH 16 feels pretty lively as well . I suppose since I’ve never fired a Parker 28 repro or original I don’t have a whole lot to compare it to .

[Bill Mullins]

Craig, I guess I’m swimming up stream here but I have carried and shot both the O and OO frame twenty-eights and for me personally I prefer the O frame.
This probably has to do with my size, weight, and arm length. I’m 6’4” and prefer a 15” LOP. The OO frame seems a littke “whippy” to me. Also I have seen both frame guns weigh approximately the same depending on barrel length, etc.
Just enjoy your new purchase and mentally forget about frame sizes when out in the woods or fields. 😊

[edgarspencer]

A few weeks ago, I went to look at an 0 frame 28ga VH. Confirmed it was in its original configuration of straight stock, 28"barrels. The gun had been refinished some time ago, and I was struggling to figure out if the colors on the receiver were real or faux. I thought it might seem heavy with and 0 frame, but the 28" barrels made it pretty. Last thing I checked was wall thickness; OK, Original chokes of cyl and modified, and my heart sunk. It was now cyl and cyl. The left barrel had been honed.
Despite the really good price, I left it behind. I still feel bad about it, but it isn't of much use, other than a long skeet gun.

[Bill Murphy]

The severely swamped barrels on the #0 frame 28 can be dealt with on a custom project. File the thick part of the barrels and file the breech balls to match and you have a very slim little 28. You may not lose much weight, but the appearance will improve quite a bit. Just don't ask me to donate my #0 frame 28s to the project.

[Reggie Bishop]

Craig do you have the 28 gauge in hand yet? How about some pics?!

[CraigThompson]

Craig do you have the 28 gauge in hand yet? How about some pics?!

I would like to think I’ll have it by next Friday or possibly the middle of the following week . Have a DH 12 gauge 3 frame 32” coming as well .

[CraigThompson]

Incidentally a year or so ago someone on here was talking about Brenneke 28 gauge slugs . They “had” them at Jerry’s at the time and I failed to buy any , now Jerry’s is no more . Been looking around for someone else that sells them with not much luck . I do however have a mold for a 28 gauge compatible slug on order thru Erkbay . I sold my 28 gauge 600 JR just might need to scratch up another to load some slugs and buckshot . Have a pair of 28 gauge 9000’s but loading buck or slugs on one of them is a PITA .

[charlie cleveland]

i figure that a 28 ga slug would be a fine deer stoper...no 4 buckshot should do nicely up close shots....charlie

[CraigThompson]

i figure that a 28 ga slug would be a fine deer stoper...no 4 buckshot should do nicely up close shots....charlie

You may be correct , but I’ve never cared for #4 buck . I might however try some #1 , #2 and #3 .

[charlie cleveland]

i watched a fellow shooting a automatic 28 ga shooting the breenkee slugs at 50 yards offhand he put all 5 shots in a 5 inch or less circle....useing a single bead sight....wish all my guns shot that good especially the old 8 ga.....charlie

[Bill Murphy]

"Beefy" or "Not Beefy", my two 0 frame 28s are under six pounds. I have shot one of them for sixty years and it is a wonderful, light, bird gun with plenty of choke for pheasants and decoying ducks.

[CraigThompson]

Craig do you have the 28 gauge in hand yet? How about some pics?!

I got a call from the auction house today ! They’re sending it out and Fedex claims it’ll be to us Monday ! Just hope they get it in to us before 14:00 otherwise I gotta wait until Tuesday :eek:

[Reggie Bishop]

That one has been a long time coming! Waiting for 28 gauge Parker is torture!

[Rich Anderson]

I have both frame sizes. If I'm hunting I take the OO frame guns if I'm going to shoot clays I'll generally us the O frame gun. To me this is about the same as a 16 on the O frame VS the 1 frame.

[CraigThompson]

That one has been a long time coming! Waiting for 28 gauge Parker is torture!

Well I’m waiting on the 28 and a 3 frame DH 12 and a Browning Broadway , just got a 10 two barrel set and am contemplating another one or dozen :rotf: Seems its a vicious cycle :rolleyes:

[CraigThompson]

I have both frame sizes. If I'm hunting I take the OO frame guns if I'm going to shoot clays I'll generally us the O frame gun. To me this is about the same as a 16 on the O frame VS the 1 frame.

I’m gonna have to wait awhile before I scrape up scheckles for a 00 :eek: But I’d be willing to make a small wager that eventually I’ll have an 00 frame hopefully with 26” barrels .

[Rich Anderson]

I have two OO frame 28's a straight grip skeet with 28 inch barrels and a pistol grip gun with 26 and 28 inch barrels. I don't know if it's the straight VS pistol or 28 VS 26 but I much prefer the straight grip and longer barrels.

[CraigThompson]

My VH 28 and DH 12 3 frame appeared today . I was quite pleased . When I got home I test fired the 28 with two skeet loads then tried my buckshot handloads . SR7625 , Universal Clays and W572 seemed to work well with #1 , 2 and 3 buckshot .

[CraigThompson]

VH 28 . Sorry the pictures aren’t the best :rolleyes:

[CraigThompson]

DH 12 gauge 3 frame from the same auction .

[Brian Dudley]

Both look like honest, relatively unmolested guns! Great going!

[Daryl Corona]

Looks like a great 28 Craig. Just the way I like to find them, a good honest gun. What's the barrel length and have you measured the bores and chokes yet?

[CraigThompson]

Looks like a great 28 Craig. Just the way I like to find them, a good honest gun. What's the barrel length and have you measured the bores and chokes yet?

26” supposedly F&F . I’ve not measured them . And while I’ve not fired it at a flying object yet , what little I’ve handled it I think it feels better than the Winchester 23 Classic 28 gauge I had thirty years ago !

[Garry L Gordon]

It's quite obvious...you just don't have enough guns!:rotf:

[Daniel Carter]

Enough guns???

[edgarspencer]

Enough guns???

I Agree, Dan. Those two words are mutually exclusive.

[CraigThompson]

It's quite obvious...you just don't have enough guns!:rotf:

I really really NEED an EH with factory 24” and another with factory 26” . A VHE 28 00 is in the I want real bad category . And a VHE 20 with 26” factory is seeming to be another “I want” item :rotf:

[CraigThompson]

Lunchtime at the shop ! Sort of chili smothered in shredded cheese with sour cream , cherry tomatoes and White House rolls ! I may never live like a King but I can surely consume like a pig :rotf:

[Garry L Gordon]

Lunchtime at the shop ! Sort of chili smothered in shredded cheese with sour cream , cherry tomatoes and White House rolls ! I may never live like a King but I can surely consume like a pig :rotf:
OK...lunch time here and now you've made me especially hungry...no dieting today!:nono::banghead::crying:

[CraigThompson]

OK...lunch time here and now you've made me especially hungry...no dieting today!:nono::banghead::crying:

Tell me about it ! One of the guys that hangs out at the shop brought in the “sort of chili” so I went to the grocery to get stuff to doctor it a bit . I was diagnosed diabetic little over a year ago and usually eat a salad of some sort for lunch , days like this kinda throw a wrench in the works :rotf: My best friend of over fifty years is moving to Colorado Friday so yesterday he and I went out to lunch at the local Mexican joint , that did not help my diet either !!!!

[CraigThompson]

Got my Rooskie mold for the 28 gauge today . Have to see if I can’t get two or three dozen cast this weekend !

[CraigThompson]

And I cast fifty of the little slugs yesterday the average weight of five of them this AM was 228.5 grains . With a modicum of common sense I believe these little guys can do in an average sized whitetail inside 35-40 yards .

[CraigThompson]

Well provided they shoot decent groups they should have enough get up and go to plunk a whitetail and be fatal inside 35-40 yards .

[edgarspencer]

Sitting in the wad, they almost look like a sabot. What kind of clearance do you have between slug diameter are bore? Lists of short barreled 28ga guns we’re still choked tight and I’d hate to have you bulge your barrels.

[CraigThompson]

Sitting in the wad, they almost look like a sabot. What kind of clearance do you have between slug diameter are bore? Lists of short barreled 28ga guns we’re still choked tight and I’d hate to have you bulge your barrels.

You and me both ! Had to wait long enough to get one , be a heck of a thing to trash it the first month I had it . I’ll try tommorrow at the shop . I usually put a slug in the shot cup and push it thru with a dowel Rod or rather see how tight it is going thru the choke . If it’s to tight I’ll cut the petals off and try with a .003” mylar wrap .

[Reggie Bishop]

You are a brave man! Parker 28 gauge guns are few and far between, especially good solid ones like you have there. Personally I would use something else for shooting slugs! I have 2 of them and I baby them. :)

[Bill Murphy]

I'm a little braver than the other posters on your thread. I would like to participate in your tests. I have a cylinder bored 28 gauge Parker barrel and plenty of loading equipment and micrometers. If you are game, send me ten or so of your slugs and I will share the results with you. Bill Murphy 22821 Wildcat (yes, Wildcat) Road, Gaithersburg, MD 20882

[Bill Murphy]

Craig, sorry, I meant that post to be a PM, but there it is.

[CraigThompson]

You are a brave man! Parker 28 gauge guns are few and far between, especially good solid ones like you have there. Personally I would use something else for shooting slugs! I have 2 of them and I baby them. :)

While I certainly don’t disagree with you , the mold was ordered expressly for this gun . But tomorrow I’ll see how the fit is .

[Dean Romig]

With 437.5 grains to the ounce I sure don’t see a problem shooting those little 228.5 grain slugs in a decent 28 bore Parker.

And some choke should improve accuracy over a cylinder bore barrel.

What fps are you expecting from them?

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[CraigThompson]

With 437.5 grains to the ounce I sure don’t see a problem shooting those little 228.5 grain slugs in a decent 28 bore Parker.

And some choke should improve accuracy over a cylinder bore barrel.

What fps are you expecting from them?

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I try not to go much over 1100-1150 in anything anymore. However I’ve started using W572 a little with 28 buckshot and it might be up to 1250ish .

[Dean Romig]

I was thinking a higher velocity (without increading the pressure too much) would improve penetration.... but I don't know how it would affect accuracy.





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[CraigThompson]

I was thinking a higher velocity (without increading the pressure too much) would improve penetration.... but I don't know how it would affect accuracy.
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Well we’ll see I loaded six with 16 grains of W572 and six with 14 grains of SR7625 , these are the same powder charges I used with 3/4-7/8 ounce loads of buckshot . The Claybuster AA-HS wads are tight at the base going thru the chokes . The slug alone rattled thru the barrel and at the front end of the shot cup it seems snug but not overly tight . To keep it at the top I needed to put two 1/8” 410 card wads in the bottom of the shot cup and of course I filled the hollow base with hot melt glue to keep the 410 wads and or the bottom of the shot cup from sticking in the hollow base . Same protocol I follow in the other gauges with these Lyman style pellet slugs .

On the velocity pentration issue I personally feel 1200 or 100 or so less should be fine as I'll most likely not shoot at a deer over thirty yards provided of course that they make some semblance of a decent group . I'll try then at 25 yards and if satisfied I'll try them at 50 so I know and if they do well at 50 I might stretch the range out to 35 or 40 yards but that's about it . I'm actually hoping one barrel does very well with the slugs and a good POI vs POA and then have the #1 or #2 buckshot in the other barrel . Ideally I've gotten so I like the slug in the right barrel and buckshot in the left . But it doesn't always work that way , just recently the top lever grade 1 10 gauge 2 barrel set with the 26" barrel seems to like buckshot better in the right barrel and the slug I'm messing with for the 10 better in the left barrel . So it ain't always the same by any means . But this stuff gives me a reason to keep waging war so to speak against the "Man Eating Whitetail of the Old Dominion" . I suspect I could live to be 287 and if still able to get up a tree yadda yadda yadda I'd still have plenty other stuff I wanted to try .

[CraigThompson]

Shot twelve rounds of slugs today six with W572 and six with SR7625 . The best at 25 yards was the right barrel with SR7625 .

[CraigThompson]

The W572 both were shot on same box at different times .

[CraigThompson]

Need to shoot some more buck pushed with W572 and SR7625 to decide which will be in the left barrel . Then try and kill a deer with this thing this season .

[CraigThompson]

No one came in the shop “overly” bothering me and I just got finished up ! Twenty five of each buckshot and the slug load DONE !

[Kevin McCormack]

Looks like a great 28 Craig. Just the way I like to find them, a good honest gun. What's the barrel length and have you measured the bores and chokes yet?

Me too - a great 26" VH PG SFE HRBP 0-frame surfaced at our local gun show over the weekend at an asking price of $8900. It went home with the guy that brung it after numerous tire-kickers got done with it ....("Isn't the bird in the dog's mouth on the buttplate supposed to face to the left??.....).

[Kevin McCormack]

Sitting in the wad, they almost look like a sabot. What kind of clearance do you have between slug diameter are bore? Lists of short barreled 28ga guns we’re still choked tight and I’d hate to have you bulge your barrels.

This is so scary!! Slugs "rattling down" the barrels remind me of the
time we didn't swage the smaller white potatoes we fired out of our "Spud Cannon" (a Rube Goldberg device resembling a recoiless rifle, made up from PVC plumbing pipes and joints of different diameters. (Think mini-clones of "Pumpkin Chunkin" ordnance).

The chamber was made up from a common PVC toilet union reducer collar going from 3 1/2 to 2 1/2 inch, mated with a 4 foot PVC 2 1/2 inch barrel. The toilet union had a threaded plug in the rear; you charged the cannon for each shot with a robust spray of WD-40, hairspray, oven cleaner, or G-96 Gunscrubber (about a 5-second burst, then screwed the cap on tight).

Ignition was a common gas grill piezo lighter fixture, epoxied into the chamber wall. The muzzle of the barrel was reverse-chamfered (sharpened) with a sander to a sharp edge. Potatoes of just over-diameter muzzle size were swage-fit (hammered) into the barrel so they fit tight and the excess shaved off to fall away.

With proper propellant charge and safe line of fire, this thing would take a hardball-sized chunk of bark down to moist tissue off of the biggest tree we could aim at within 30-35 yards.

The time we didn't pay attention to excess pulp, the forward end of the chamber area (think forcing cone) and the rest of the barrel disintegrated into 2-3 ft. plastic shards upon detonation. Apparently that someone had used carburetor cleaner for the charge didn't help (loaded with MEK, Ether & acetone!).

Be careful!! Hate to see those Vulcan tubes turned into wind chimes!

[CraigThompson]

I’ve got the little 28 in a gun sock inside the gun boot on my ATV . It’ll go along in the morning with my 6mm-06 . Just to make myself feel okay about taking it I tried three slugs out the right at 25 yards and a load of #1 buck out the left also at 25 yards today before putting it in the gun boot.

[CraigThompson]

Went out this AM carried the little VH 28 instead of a 10 gauge today along with my 6mm-06 . No deer but I did see four or five big fat turkey hens .

[CraigThompson]

I know this sounds kinda lame but the 28 stayed in a gun sock from the kitchen in the house until I was situated up the tree then back in the sock before coming down and until I got back in the house :whistle:

[CraigThompson]

Few more !