10 ga PH on a #6 frame ?

[Milton C Starr]

I was trying to find what the larger frame 10 ga Parkers sell for compared to the 8 gauges . The #5 and #6 frame 10 gauges and whenever I try to search specifically by frame size its pulls up the grade numbers instead .
Anyhow I seen this PH 10 ga sold at auction with two other guns .
The bottom one is a 12 ga Parker PH according to the listing . There were no weights listed but the 10 ga PH looks massive Im wondering if it was a #6 frame . The lot sold for 1800$ , I would think a #6 frame 10 ga would be worth alot more than that even in its condition ?

[Brian Dudley]

That is a 6 frame. likely.

Those guns have a certain proportion to them that is unmistakable.

[Milton C Starr]

That is a 6 frame. likely.

Those guns have a certain proportion to them that is unmistakable.

Parkers didnt make a hammerless #5 frame did they ?
Do we know if the 10 gauges built on a #6 frame were produced more than the 8 gauges ? If I cant get a 8 gauge in a few months I thought of tracking down a #5 or #6 10 gauge if I could find one in the ideal price range . I would have thought a #6 frame PH 10 gauge alone would have sold for what the lot of 3 did . I wouldnt mind getting one with some condition issues as longs as the bores are safe .

[Brian Dudley]

I have not seen a 5 frame hammerless, but they likely exist.

Records are not tabulated and tracked by frame size, so there is
No way of knowing how many of what were built on what frame sizes.

[CraigThompson]

It’s my understanding that there’s a 6 frame hammerless 10 gauge for sale in the next Poulin’s auction . But I suspect this one will bring over 4G’s and quite possibly 5G’s .

[Milton C Starr]

It’s my understanding that there’s a 6 frame hammerless 10 gauge for sale in the next Poulin’s auction . But I suspect this one will bring over 4G’s and quite possibly 5G’s .

Its probably in a bit better condition than the that sold for 1800$
Ive found some #6 frame 8 gauge hammer guns in that price range .(5k)
They have some condition issues however that im not sure if they are worth the asking price . One is missing 4" off the barrels and its a low grade lifter .
The other one appears to need some extensive repairs done to the wrist area and a few other things .

There was a hammerless #6 10 ga that sold at a past auction for 7,500$ it was a N grade or wouldnt that be a NH grade since it was hammerless .

I plan on buying a PGCA membership and asking in the for sale section before I hastily buy from anywhere .

[John Davis]

Best $40.00 investment you can make.

[Brian Dudley]

That is good since your number of posts allowed as a non-member is rapidly approaching.

[Bill Murphy]

Some early #6 frame tens were originally eights. They were rebarreled when eight gauges were outlawed for migratory birds. What auction was the $1800 #6 frame sold? With a serial number, we can tell you if it was originally an eight or a ten. My #6 frame ten was rebarreled in fluid steel, was originally an eight. I overpaid substantially for that gun, but "Just had to have it." It has a very interesting history as the gamegetter for a Nebraska family who lived off the land from pioneer days.

[Mills Morrison]

I plan on buying a PGCA membership and asking in the for sale section before I hastily buy from anywhere .


That is good. Anyone who enjoys posting here should be a member and will benefit immeasurably from being a member

[Milton C Starr]

Some early #6 frame tens were originally eights. They were rebarreled when eight gauges were outlawed for migratory birds. What auction was the $1800 #6 frame sold? With a serial number, we can tell you if it was originally an eight or a ten. My #6 frame ten was rebarreled in fluid steel, was originally an eight. I overpaid substantially for that gun, but "Just had to have it." It has a very interesting history as the gamegetter for a Nebraska family who lived off the land from pioneer days.

It was a auction on icollector , not sure what the middle 10 gauge was .
The bottom one was listed as a PH 12 ga . They didnt list any serial #s ,
would they have rebarreled a 8 gauge post 1918 with damascus 10 ga barrels ?

A Parker with a 10 ga and 8 ga barrel set would be near perfect , 8 ga for turkey and the 10 ga for waterfowl .

Yes I think that often you have to overpay to get the old sxs you want .
Seems alot of the prices are determined by throwing a dart at a board .
Though a dealer and private seller are going to sometimes have different ways of thinking on prices .

[Milton C Starr]

That is good. Anyone who enjoys posting here should be a member and will benefit immeasurably from being a member

Well I figure if anything it will help me learn what things are worth and get a idea about what to look for .

[Mike Franzen]

That is good since your number of posts allowed as a non-member is rapidly approaching.

As far as I know there is no limit to the number of posts a non-member May submit. Non-members are welcome on the forum and encouraged to submit any appropriate content.

Welcome to the PGCA Milton. Thank you for joining.

[Brian Dudley]

As far as I know there is no limit to the number of posts a non-member May submit. Non-members are welcome on the forum and encouraged to submit any appropriate content.

Welcome to the PGCA Milton. Thank you for joining.

You caught me trying to prod Milton to join the PGCA. Through whatever means necessary. It has worked in some cases and not in others.

[Bill Murphy]

Congratulations on Milton Starr's new membership.

[Phillip Carr]

Bill my 5 Frame 10 with documented 3 1/2 inch chambers also came out of Nebraska.

[Bill Murphy]

Give me a name and a town. Thanks. I will try to reply.

[Phillip Carr]

Will pull my letter tonight and send.

[Milton C Starr]

You caught me trying to prod Milton to join the PGCA. Through whatever means necessary. It has worked in some cases and not in others.

Haha well I did end up getting a membership so it may have worked .
Now all I have to do is buy a Parkers . Its hard when there are so many nice doubles on the market .

[Dean Romig]

Now all I have to do is buy a Parkers . Its hard when there are so many nice doubles on the market .


That is precisely why the word “collector” was invented... because there are so many nice Parkers.





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[Milton C Starr]

That is precisely why the word “collector” was invented... because there are so many nice Parkers.





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What got me interested in Parkers is all the combinations or configurations they made . I think Parker bros are probably had the most variety of any sxs shotguns . I think my favorite Parkers are the lifter models because as far as im aware that is something unique to Parker shotguns . Im a huge 10 ga fan and in my opinion Parker made the coolest ones . All the different weights and barrel lengths . It seems like if you was alive 100 years ago Parker could make you a gun in any configuration you could think of .

[Mills Morrison]

Milton, you are right! I have a fair number but have hardly scratched the surface with all the grades, gauges and variations out there.

[Milton C Starr]

Milton, you are right! I have a fair number but have hardly scratched the surface with all the grades, gauges and variations out there.

Im always looking on guns international and gunbroker to see if any new ones have been listed . One thing I like about guns of this age or perhaps its just the big gauges . They dont look to sell quickly so that gives me more time to save money :rotf: . I actually layawayed a 10 ga hammer gun once that was a consignment gun which usually you cant do . The owner though had the gun so long and couldnt get it sold . I actually ended up getting it 250$ cheaper than they had it listed as . Im trying to stay away from buying a English gun and save money for a Parkers . That recessed hinge pin is just iconic and unmistakable .

From what ive seen it looks like the lifter models are lower in cost than the top actions ?

[Dean Romig]

From what ive seen it looks like the lifter models are lower in cost than the top actions ?


I can’t imagine why.

The lifter mechanism is safer and more ergonomic. It is certainly the favorite action for many of us.

Must have had something to do with condition of the guns you saw at lower prices.





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[Milton C Starr]

I can’t imagine why.

The lifter mechanism is safer and more ergonomic. It is certainly the favorite action for many of us.

Must have had something to do with condition of the guns you saw at lower prices.





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Well the top actions I have seen were mostly grade 3s and the Lifters were G grades or lower . Im still trying to learn all the different grades lol.

I like the lifters since it is distinctive to a Parkers . Ive read though that Parker collectors really like grade 3 top actions ?

[CraigThompson]

I can’t imagine why.

The lifter mechanism is safer and more ergonomic. It is certainly the favorite action for many of us.

Must have had something to do with condition of the guns you saw at lower prices.
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Theres certainly nothing wrong with lifters and top lever hammer guns .

BUT if "I" have to choose one variety it's always going to be hammerless :bigbye:

[Dean Romig]

I like the lifters since it is distinctive to a Parkers. I've read though that Parker collectors really like grade 3 top actions?



Given the choice I would prefer the Grade 3 Lifters, of which I have a few....




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[Russell E. Cleary]

What got me interested in Parkers is all the combinations or configurations they made . I think Parker bros are probably had the most variety of any sxs shotguns …..something unique to Parker shotguns . Im a huge 10 ga fan and in my opinion Parker made the coolest ones . All the different weights and barrel lengths . It seems like if you was alive 100 years ago Parker could make you a gun in any configuration you could think of .

I wish I had been as tuned-in and turned-on to what Parker guns were all about, as Milton is, at age 26.

What he is saying here is consistent with what some Members with a few more years behind them and considerable experience have said, one example being, "....Parker made [guns] in all sorts of dizzying array's ,and subtle nuances that keep collectors guessing. (Chris Dawe, PGCA Forum).

[Dave Noreen]

All this 10-gauge talk has left me wondering, did the Brothers P or Remington ever make a vent ribbed 10-gauge? I've see s few Ithaca NID Magnum-10s with vent ribs, but I've never seen a Parker Bros./Parker 10-gauge with a vent rib.

[Bill Murphy]

One year at Ohio Gun Collectors, Jim Parker (I may be wrong about that) displayed an AHE 10 vent rib gun in high condition. I think he may have had a price on it.

[Alan B. Webber]

Some early #6 frame tens were originally eights. They were rebarreled when eight gauges were outlawed for migratory birds. What auction was the $1800 #6 frame sold? With a serial number, we can tell you if it was originally an eight or a ten. My #6 frame ten was rebarreled in fluid steel, was originally an eight. I overpaid substantially for that gun, but "Just had to have it." It has a very interesting history as the gamegetter for a Nebraska family who lived off the land from pioneer days.

"Just had to have it" is the right phrase alright. I bought a d grade #6 frame 10 hammerless many years ago then lucked out and found another d grade #6 frame 10 hammer gun. I paid too much for both of them.
After a lot of Turnbull rehab, I take them to Canada for ducks and geese and shoot brass shells with BP in them.1325 ft per sec with a 1 and one quarter oz of bismuth. I've since backed off on the powder after chronographing the load.
The brass shells were deforming a bit at the base and there's no resizing those things.
Both guns are great fun on pigeons also.
Each one is Damascus and weigh about 14 lbs each. 36 and 34 inch barrels.
The RST smokeless loads are great to shoot also.
Of all the Parkers I have they are the most fun to shoot.
Never pass one up no matter what shape it's in. I think they're all pretty rare. One really fun and satisfying thing to do is get a gun like that shooting again.
The guy at Cabelas that sold me the hammerless one for 4K said it would be a great wall hanger. I told him there's no way it's going to hang on any wall.
Thanks,

[charlie cleveland]

alan i too enjoy shooting them big frame guns i have one 8 ga that is a 7 frame lifter 2 hammer lever 8 ga parkers that are 6 frames....i shoot my 3 frame 10 gas a lot wish i had a big 6 frame in 10 ga....have a no 3 frame 12 ga parker i shoot a lot...hope you have a good season....charlie

[Alan B. Webber]

Charlie,
Where do get 8 Ga cases? Can you get them already loaded?
Shooting an 8 ga #7 frame would be awesome.
On the other side of the scale I shot my Trojan 20 ga at doves this morning in the CA Central Valley.
I've been shooting that since I was 12. First gun I ever owned.

[Milton C Starr]

Charlie,
Where do get 8 Ga cases? Can you get them already loaded?
Shooting an 8 ga #7 frame would be awesome.
On the other side of the scale I shot my Trojan 20 ga at doves this morning in the CA Central Valley.
I've been shooting that since I was 12. First gun I ever owned.

Precision Reloading sells 8 ga industrial hulls that you have to resize .
RST is going to start selling loaded 8 ga ammo in the future . I talked to them about a month ago . They were in the pressure testing stage .

[Milton C Starr]

alan i too enjoy shooting them big frame guns i have one 8 ga that is a 7 frame lifter 2 hammer lever 8 ga parkers that are 6 frames....i shoot my 3 frame 10 gas a lot wish i had a big 6 frame in 10 ga....have a no 3 frame 12 ga parker i shoot a lot...hope you have a good season....charlie

Charlie I seen a Davenport 8 ga pop up on GI . Wasnt even listed for 2 days and was gone .

[Bill Murphy]

A few years ago, eight gauge Davenports were plentiful and very cheap. Now they are scarce as hen's teeth and very expensive. I bought mine at a Virginia show a few years ago, came back the next day to buy the dealer's stash of eight gauge ammunition and it was long gone. I probably got the gun just in time.

[Milton C Starr]

A few years ago, eight gauge Davenports were plentiful and very cheap. Now they are scarce as hen's teeth and very expensive. I bought mine at a Virginia show a few years ago, came back the next day to buy the dealer's stash of eight gauge ammunition and it was long gone. I probably got the gun just in time.

seems they usually sell for around 1500$ which is what that one on GI sold for . I remember seeing a thread on another site . A fellow bought a sawed off 8 ga Davenport with some loaded industrial ammo that would chamber it in . He planned to shoot it like that .... Wonder how that turned out .

I have seen some Davenport and H Allen 10 gauges but they seem to only sell for a fraction of the 8 gauges . From what ive gathered the Allen guns are the same as the Davenports .

The Davenports seem pretty light for a 8 gauge all the ones I have seen are around 10lbs . Their barrels are pretty thick one I seen had .120 minimal wall thickness .

[charlie cleveland]

my davenport 8 ga has 36 inch barrel the wight of it is 12 1/2 lbs...barrel is like you say very thick....a few of these old davenports had 40 inch barrels on them...wish mine were 40 inch 48 inch would be better.....my old gun has a 4 inch chamber in it maybe someday i will get some brass shellls this length made for it...i have a 3 3/4 inch brass shell i load up sometimes and shoot....its a hoot.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

my davenport 8 ga has 36 inch barrel the wight of it is 12 1/2 lbs...barrel is like you say very thick....a few of these old davenports had 40 inch barrels on them...wish mine were 40 inch 48 inch would be better.....my old gun has a 4 inch chamber in it maybe someday i will get some brass shellls this length made for it...i have a 3 3/4 inch brass shell i load up sometimes and shoot....its a hoot.....charlie

Thats a heavy Davenport , ive only seen 3 of them for sale though and they weighed in the 10lb range . Though the sellers could be guessing at the weight of them . I cant see how a 8 ga barrel with .120 minimal wall thickness at 36" long would weigh only 10lbs haha . My 10 gauge h&r i used to have weighed that much with a 24" barrel .

Charlie I seen a EM Reilly 8 ga double with 45" barrels at a English auction last month . It looked pretty crazy with barrels that long . You could always have a 45" 8 ga barrel fitted to your Davenport . Rice makes them up to 45" .

Theres a company called Robinson brass I believe that can make 8 ga brass but you have to order 50 cases .

[Bill Murphy]

Rocky Mountain Cartridge talks about going out of business, but they still list eight gauge cases in all lengths. I haven't used my RMC cases because I haven't worn out my paper and plastic cases yet. To be honest, I haven't loaded any eights for a while. Watch the obituaries and your problems will be solved.