You Like Long Barrelled DHE Parkers?

[Reggie Bishop]

Check it out. Open chokes seem odd.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/parker-dhe-factory-34-quot-vent-rib-12-gauge-turnbull-restored.cfm?gun_id=101271730

[Reggie Bishop]

And did I mention vent rib?

[David Noble]

I'm waiting for input from others about the originality of the rib. It doesn't look right to me but I'm no authority on Parker vent ribs. :corn:

Interesting gun otherwise.

[Reggie Bishop]

I agree David. The dolls head fit isn’t the best either.

[Chuck Bishop]

Factory? I don't think so. You would think he would know one when he sees one. That is as close to Parker case colors as you will find. Why don't all Turnbull jobs turn out like that?

[Bill Murphy]

I would invest another $400 to repair or refit the doll's head. Are we sure Turnbull did this job? A PGCA letter would clear up a lot of questions.

[Chuck Bishop]

He stated that Turnbull did the work and they look like his colors. Order a letter and find out the order book configuration.

[Randy G Roberts]

Those pictures don't show me anything that would seem to suggest that is a Parker Factory rib. That gun if I'm not mistaken was manufactured in 1909 which would further suggest that is not a factory rib. I suppose at some point it could have been sent back and had the rib installed at the factory. I would have to see that in a research letter before I would even believe that.

[Bill Murphy]

A factory installed set of retrofit vent rib barrels would have a perfectly fit doll's head.

[Brian Dudley]

Not a factory rib. And not an original VR gun. It was a standard concave rib gun that was converted to a VR at some time later on. And not by the factory or by Remington. The matting on the rib and the style of the posts are not correct.

[Eric Eis]

Moneymaker rib?

[Ted Hicks]

This is a really nice gun save for the vent rib. I am not a vent rib guy for SXS guns and this gun was much nicer without it in my opinion. I never noticed the "L" and "R" before on a Parker...are those factory?

[Kirk Potter]

Looks like a single trigger gun converted to double?

[Ted Hicks]

I wonder if that hole behind the "R" under the trigger guard is a remnant from a single trigger?

[Craig Budgeon]

It is.

[Milton C Starr]

Seems like for 16k you could get a lot nicer Parkers .
The seam where the vent rib starts looks pretty crude , like the original was cut off at that point and that new one tacked into place .

[Bill Murphy]

It isn't a pretty sight. If it is a real factory 34" gun, it might be worth a couple of grand to remove the rib and reinstall a solid rib. Where would you get such a thing?

[Milton C Starr]

It isn't a pretty sight. If it is a real factory 34" gun, it might be worth a couple of grand to remove the rib and reinstall a solid rib. Where would you get such a thing?

A original rib or just one made to look like the original ?
Merrington can make a new rib for 500$+
I would think the dolls head could be made to look better too by having material added then properly shaped .

[Randy G Roberts]

At an asking price of $16,900 this would not qualify for a project. It would not bring that price if the rib was right.

[Milton C Starr]

At an asking price of $16,900 this would not qualify for a project. It would not bring that price if the rib was right.

That vent rib doesnt look this one which im assuming is a actual Parker bros vent rib . The fit on this one is alot nicer and about 7k less .

[Brian Dudley]

That vent rib doesnt look this one which im assuming is a actual Parker bros vent rib . The fit on this one is alot nicer and about 7k less .

Yes, that is a factory rib that you posted a picture of. BUT... it is a gun that had a VR from inception. Not a converted VR.

Factory original VR guns have a high flat topped frame. Vs. standard ribbed guns have a concave frame at the rib extension. This is immediate indication as to if a gun had a VR from the day it was ordered and build.

Now... guns could have been converted to VR at the factory on a return for work. In this case, a VR is installed in the normal manner, but the flat ramp has to be blended into the concave rib extension. It always results in a little bit of a funky transition, but factory done work, either by Meriden or Remington is pretty well done and clean.

Major ways of verifying that the VR conversion as factory done is the construction of the rib, the matting the makers mark which will be hand engraved only in the proper style.

The subject gun that started they thread WAS converted to VR at some time and it is NOT a factory work using factory parts. It also was a SST to DT conversion and I also question the originality of the buttstock. The checkering at least is not original. But the grip and comb are off looking to me.

[Randy G Roberts]

Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.

[Reggie Bishop]

That vent rib doesnt look this one which im assuming is a actual Parker bros vent rib . The fit on this one is alot nicer and about 7k less .

I agree but a 34" gun is much rarer than a 32" 12 gauge. I think both those guns are overpriced but you aren't going to see many 34" grade 3 Parkers on the market.

[Reggie Bishop]

Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.

Nice Parkers Randy!

[Milton C Starr]

I agree but a 34" gun is much rarer than a 32" 12 gauge. I think both those guns are overpriced but you aren't going to see many 34" grade 3 Parkers on the market.

That is true , 34" barrels do seem to be rare . I have seen a few 32" Parker 12 ga hammerless guns .

[Milton C Starr]

Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.

That is a beautiful sxs !

[Randy G Roberts]

Odd to me that in terms of 12 gauge production the VH with Vulcan steel tubes outnumbers the DH Titanic's by some 8 - 1 roughly yet there are substantially more 34" DH guns recorded, nearly 22% more than the VH ??

[Rich Anderson]

I know where there is a 34 DHE restored by Batchelder's thats a nice gun with a straight grip F/F for less than half the cost of this gun. I have several factory vent rib guns and they don't look like this. I have had 30 inch guns and a 32 incher choked IC/F from the factory. Long barrels should equal tight chokes.

[Joe Graziano]

Too bad the chokes are open. Otherwise, that would make a sweeeet clays gun. Since nothing is original, put Brileys in it and have a Parker target crushing machine!

[Craig Budgeon]

Turnbulls may have done the casecolors on that Parker. The vent rib and buttstock have been covered. The lack of mullered borders, the early style receiver with a vent rib, floor plate doen't fit the wood correctly under the trigger guard, floor plate screws are not qualified or flush, forend wood has been replaced with what appears black walnut, color of wood on the buttstock doesn't match forend, finishes front to rear on the wood don't match. Preservation was no factor in restoring this gun but profit was.

[Patrick Lien]

While the action may have been done by Turnbull I don't think there is any chance the barrels or wood were done by his shop. Call him if you do not agree and perhaps he can tell you what he did if you are a potential buyer of this gun. You might also ask the seller for the receipt of the Turnbull work that was done. This gun is a restored POS in my opinion and the seller advertising it as a Turnbull restore seems very odd to me as he is well aware of what Turnbull work is. I would run away from this gun at any price. JMO.

PML

[Brian Dudley]

Yes Pat. I feel the same way. POS.


Who said it was turnbull restored anyway. The ad does not mention turnbull.

I see all the time guns that are advertised as turnbull restored and I know the guns never were in their shop. To some people, new case colors, regardless of quality or appearance means “turnbull”. And then the broad brush is used to paint the gun.

I agree that the colors on the gun are good and likely are turnbull. That is about all the gun has going right for it. But I was wondering where it came from that the gun was in fact colored by turnbull.

[Randy G Roberts]

Agreed, the seller knows better but....

[Bill Murphy]

Brian, the ad does mention Turnbull. Good as the colors may appear to some, they appear a bit muddy to me. I only have one gun done for me at Turnbull's and it makes the 34" gun look a bit less "nice".

[Brian Dudley]

Brian, the ad does mention Turnbull. Good as the colors may appear to some, they appear a bit muddy to me. I only have one gun done for me at Turnbull's and it makes the 34" gun look a bit less "nice".



Gosh... of course... right in the darn title!!! And I was focusing on the description.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

If I remember right all factory ribs had part of the ser number stamped on the bottom side of the rib, about the second or third post from the breach, been a while since I had one but it was stamped that way, Gary

[Eric Eis]

That's right Gary and I think on the left side of the rib

[Randy G Roberts]

Not "ALL" of them. I have a vent rib B grade that letters as a factory vent rib. It has one letter stamped under the rib where the last three digits of the serial number normally are stamped. That letter appears to be an S. I have tried my best to convince myself that it is a 5 which would correspond to the grade but it does not appear to be such. The gun is right as rain and there is no question about it being factory original and correct.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Never say never when Parker guns are involved, Randy your B grade sounds like a fine gun, and with the letter the gun is right as rain as you say, never heard that saying before, Gary

[Rich Anderson]

I thought the serial number was engraved under the rib not stamped.

[Scott Janowski]

All my vent rib Parker’s have the last three digits of the serial number stamped on the underside of the rib. This obviously was done before assembly.
I believe the reason the top of the rib is engraved rather than roll stamped, is this was done after the barrels were assembled and the vent rib would be crushed by the roll stamp.