WC Scott hammer guns ?

[Milton C Starr]

I have been looking at some of the hammer guns made by WC Scott and I really like the looks of the prince of whale grip on their hammer guns .
I watched a video talking about the history of WC Scotts sxs's and the fellow in the video says that WC Scott invented the top lever you see on just about every sxs or o/u today . He goes on to say that they were eventually bought by H&H I think it was who carried the name until the 1990s .

I have always read the WC Scotts are considered to be well made hammer guns .That they also produced barrels and actions as well for some of the larger outfits and names .

Does anyone here collect or own a WC Scott hammergun/s ?
Would like to see some pictures of them if so .
I was thinking of getting a Parker Bros lifter later this year but keep finding myself pulled to the English made guns .

Would really like to see a WC Scotts 10 gauge hammergun if anyone has one.

[Bill Murphy]

"Prince of Wales". The best example is the Woodward, another fairly good example if the first generation Model 21.

[Milton C Starr]

"Prince of Wales". The best example is the Woodward, another fairly good example if the first generation Model 21.

I really need to start checking my autocorrect.
I havnt really ever looked at any M21s . Woodward sounds familiar however. The pictures I've looked at so far for WC Scott's are at bad angles making it hard to get a look at the stock shape.

[Milton C Starr]

This is the best picture I could find for a WC Scott's.

[John Campbell]

Mr. Starr:
W. & C. Scott (correctly) stands for William and Charles Scott. They had the largest and most prolific gun manufactory in Birmingham. They supplied most of the gunmakers in England with guns and gun components. From rough bits to highly finished guns.

For more, please reference my feature in the Spring 2011 DGJ, "W. & C. Scott & Son -- Gunmaker to the Gunmakers."

Here are a few photos of 12-bore Scott hammer doubles from my collection, past and present (the middle gun is available through Jaqua's at a very good price):

[Milton C Starr]

[QUOTE=John Campbell;278060]Mr. Starr:
W. & C. Scott (correctly) stands for William and Charles Scott. They had the largest and most prolific gun manufactory in Birmingham. They supplied most of the gunmakers in England with guns and gun components. From rough bits to highly finished guns.

For more, please reference my feature in the Spring 2011 DGJ, "W. & C. Scott & Son -- Gunmaker to the Gunmakers."

Beautiful guns , I got my eye on two different W.& C. Scott's both 10 gauge hammer guns . I'm kind of iffy on one because it has shiny bores and I've seen alot of people say on a gun of that vintage it usually points to it being honed out . There's a decent looking 12 ga W.C up for sale for 1400$ I think it was . The two 10 gauges in looking at are around 2500$ . I figure they will still be there in November .

One of the 10 gauges is 10lbs and the other is 9lbs 6oz but they look identical .

Honestly I would get another C.G Bonehill but I'm not a fan of the snap on forends . From what I've read W. & .C Scott are good guns that are reasonably priced .

[John Campbell]

Mr. Starr:
It isn't the honing of a bore that's bad. It's honing that renders the barrel wall thickness too thin. Have any honed bore measured for thickness. If there's enough thickness left in critical areas (generally over .025), it's safe.

And... the Scott Premiere grade was every bit as fine a gun as any made in the UK. It just didn't have a maker's cachet the others did.

Not all Bonehills were made with snap on forends. But most Bonehills are nowhere near a good Scott for quality.

[Milton C Starr]

Mr. Starr:
It isn't the honing of a bore that's bad. It's honing that renders the barrel wall thickness too thin. Have any honed bore measured for thickness. If there's enough thickness left in critical areas (generally over .025), it's safe.

And... the Scott Premiere grade was every bit as fine a gun as any made in the UK. It just didn't have a maker's cachet the others did.

Not all Bonehills were made with snap on forends. But most Bonehills are nowhere near a good Scott for quality.

I meant as far as the Bonehill I used to own and the one I was looking at both have the snap on forends. That Bonehill was a tough gun however , someone rechambered it to 10 ga 3.5" magnum . I reckon someone couldn't afford a Ithaca NID magnum so they took a reamer to their old hammergun . I never shot 3.5" shells in it only RST lite loads. The guy I sold it to I explicitly told him not to fire 3.5" shells in it and to order shells from RST if he intended to fire it . Well he shot 3.5" shells in it anyhow . Never blew up but I still thought it was a reckless thing to do . But that Bonehill still held up to abuses it wasn't designed for . I try to be gentle with my guns but when you buy one with 100yrs plus of service there's no telling what previous owners out it through . The Scott 10 gauge with the mirror bores does not have the wall thickness listed .

[Brian Dudley]

If you want a very nice Scott 10g, I know where there may still be one.

[Milton C Starr]

If you want a very nice Scott 10g, I know where there may still be one.

Well it's not that I'm maker specific I appreciate all old guns especially 10 gauges . I got to shoulder two different 20 gauge hammer guns today when I was searching various gun stores looking for some goex bp.
One was marked Thomas Baker and one was just Baker. From what I could tell they both had 30" damascus barrels . The Baker gun was alot nicer locked up like a brand new sxs . Actually the only 20 ga double I've ever held besides the Purdey that I got to shoot from one of the plantation guests . Just neat little guns but don't think I will abandon my 10 gauges . I was thinking I could save up perhaps 5k later this year but I feel like 2500$ is a more realistic and comfortable price range . The W. & C. Scott 10 ga I am looking at is listed at exactly 2500$ and looks to be in good condition says it has no pitting but light roughness in the bores . I've seen in the past the field grade Westley Richards or would that be a grade 1 ? A&D 10 gauges go for around that price range . Perhaps I could hunt one down . The Parkers I've looked at in that price range in 10 gauge appear to be in rougher shape . I guess they command a higher price because of their collectability . Really all I will be looking for is a good solid 10 ga with 32" barrels . Well not entirely , I like guns or gunmakers who have a rich history as well . Probably the main reason I treasure these vintage doubles . I think the guy from the gun shop YouTube channel said it best. When hunting with a vintage sxs the gun has a soul of its own and makes the experience in the field that much more .

[Breck Gorman]

Here’s a 12g W&C Scott hammer.

[Jay Gardner]

I once owned a WC Scott 12b hammer gun, two barrel set (30" & 40"). I can tell you it was well made and the engraving (95% coverage) was deep and perfectly executed. 10-15 years ago I saw another WC Scott hammergun that Brad Bachelder was in the process of restoring. the locks had the face of a Springer spaniel that was unbelievably detailed, the finest engraving of a dog that I have ever seen, by a mile.

Some day I would love to own a 16b Pape hammergun but if the gun-gods don't give me that opportunity I would buy another WC Scott. You will get A LOT of gun for the money.

JDG

[Milton C Starr]

Here’s a 12g W&C Scott hammer.

Nice looking hammer gun for sure !
The 10 ga im looking at looks almost identical to that but the engraving is a little different but everything else looks the same .
One thing I do like about this W.&C. Scott im looking at it none of the screws have been buggered up on it . Which seems like a hard thing to find on a pre 1899 sxs or any gun of that age really.

[Milton C Starr]

I once owned a WC Scott 12b hammer gun, two barrel set (30" & 40"). I can tell you it was well made and the engraving (95% coverage) was deep and perfectly executed. 10-15 years ago I saw another WC Scott hammergun that Brad Bachelder was in the process of restoring. the locks had the face of a Springer spaniel that was unbelievably detailed, the finest engraving of a dog that I have ever seen, by a mile.

Some day I would love to own a 16b Pape hammergun but if the gun-gods don't give me that opportunity I would buy another WC Scott. You will get A LOT of gun for the money.

JDG

Theres a Lefever 10 gauge Mr.Brad restored on gunsinternational right now for 3500$ the character in the damascus is amazing . I hear his son does amazing barrel work as well and is carrying on the torch .

Ive never heard the name Pape until about a week ago when I seen a video on a Paper hammerless gun that had a pushup release for the barrels . I guess in the U.K they dont really restore old guns like Mr.Brad did or like Turnbull .

I would like to own a 16 gauge sxs with 32" barrels but the only thing I could find is the Dickinson custom shop guns they make a 16 gauge with 30". The 30" barrels on that Baker sxs 20 gauge I held yesterday felt pretty long . I think because on a smaller frame guns barrels feel longer or look longer .

You had a double 12 ga with 40" barrels ? That sounds like a rare combination . My 8 gauge has 39" barrels , it should be here sometime next week .

[Jay Gardner]

Milton; the 40” barrels were a work of art. Think about how long this ribbons had to be to make 40” tubes - and they were made with one long ribbon. I was told 40” barrels were common for hunting off horseback do as to get the muzzle blast away from the horse.

Pape is often referred to as “the Purdy of the north” and all of their hammerguns that I have seen have been spectacular. Jaquas had a Pape 16 hammer in their rack for quite a while and I regret not finding a way to buy it.

[Milton C Starr]

Milton; the 40” barrels were a work of art. Think about how long this ribbons had to be to make 40” tubes - and they were made with one long ribbon. I was told 40” barrels were common for hunting off horseback do as to get the muzzle blast away from the horse.

Pape is often referred to as “the Purdy of the north” and all of their hammerguns that I have seen have been spectacular. Jaquas had a Pape 16 hammer in their rack for quite a while and I regret not finding a way to buy it.

I know the feeling but I have noticed with the bigger gauges in vintage doubles they can sit around on a shelf for sale years at a time . So when im looking at some different ones right now I know a majority of them will still be there when I save up the money . Heres a beautiful Pape 12 ga hammer https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/shotguns-english-double/w-r-pape-12-bore-bar-action-hammergun-with-30-nitro-damascus-barrels.cfm?gun_id=101084998


I know how high esteem Purdeys are held to but me my favorite of the english sxs are Westley Richards . They are the only ones who still build 10s 8s and even 4 gauges and in any combination you could desire . I have got to shoot a Purdey once the man who owned it said he bought it back around 1985 for 65k . That Purdey sidelock stopped working in the field and he had to borrow a o/u . My neighbor who worked on the plantation fixed the Purdey using a leatherman pocket tool . I was sweating the whole time watching him tinker on a Purdey with a leatherman ! :rotf: . But the owner didnt care I guess he figured he could order another one lol . I told my neighbor " You just dont take apart a Purdey and work on it with what is basically a pocket knife on the tailgate of a truck .

Ive never had barrels that long on a shotgun before , I had a Zephyr 10 ga that had a 36" barrel , the muzzle diameter mic'd out at .993" .
I cant wait to see in person what these 39" 8 gauge look and feel like .
I have read that these super long barrels were designed during the black powder era for a more complete burn of the powder and less fouling ?

[charlie cleveland]

if i ever had a set of 40 inch barrels on a 12 ga it would have been with me till death to us part.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

if i ever had a set of 40 inch barrels on a 12 ga it would have been with me till death to us part.....charlie

You could probably have some 40" barrels sleeved onto a 12 gauge .
The rib would probably cost more than the barrels . There is or was a barrel maker who made 12 ga barrels up to either 40 or 45" . Barrels are actually cheap compared to the cost of having them fitted to a sxs .

I think a long barreled 16 and or 28 ga double would be really neat .

Ive been trying to find a gun slip or canvas/leather case for my 39" barrels and no luck yet . I did find a 40" leather case for a bolt action im thinking that could be re-purposed for my 8 gauge .

Ive found some reproduction trade labels for W.&C. Scott so if i do end up with one I will have a nice case for it .

[Jay Gardner]

if i ever had a set of 40 inch barrels on a 12 ga it would have been with me till death to us part.....charlie

LoL. Tell you this much: I have some idea what it’s like for a porn star to show up at the set. Every time I showed up at the first station and all
The other shooters couldn’t keep their eyes off my barrels. :rotf:

[Milton C Starr]

LoL. Tell you this much: I have some idea what it’s like for a porn star to show up at the set. Every time I showed up at the first station and all
The other shooters couldn’t keep their eyes off my barrels. :rotf:

I wish someone would take such a gun quail hunting :rotf:
Would be a challenge swinging barrels like that in the bush .

was it real front heavy ?

[Jay Gardner]

It was barrel heavy but not as much as you would expect. I have a 20/32 VHE and while not as heavy, the balance is about the same. The biggest problem with the 40” barrels was keeping them from hitting the ground when the action was open. I’m 6’1” and I can tell you it’s not 40” from my hip to the ground. They were actually a pain in the butt to manage because I was always worried about hitting the ground/ concrete with them. I’ll try to find a couple photos of the gun.

[Dean Romig]

I wish someone would take such a gun quail hunting.
Would be a challenge swinging barrels like that in the bush .


It would be more of a challenge to get permission to use such a weapon at all on many quail lodges or plantations. Most would not allow it.





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[Milton C Starr]

It would be more of a challenge to get permission to use such a weapon at all on many quail lodges or plantations. Most would not allow it.





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I think your are mostly right , I think it would really depend though .
We would pretty much meet any request of our guests . We even hunted quail during a storm once because they wanted to stay out in the field a bit longer lol.
One of the plantations someone mentioned in another thread , their website said they would allow any gauge . I doubt they imagined someone showing up with a 40" 12 ga or a 8 gauge for quail . I wonder if anyone here has used the short 10 ga for quail ? The standard load most of our guests used was the cheap rios in 20 ga and #7.5 shot I think it was . However one time we had some boxes of #9s get mixed into the case and they resulted in a higher kill ratio . So they were arguing with each other who was going to get to use the rest of the #9 loads .

The quail hunting landscape here has greatly changed since last year because of the hurricane we lost a great deal of pine trees . So now the quail hunting areas are alot more wide and open .





Has anyone had a set of W.&C. Scott damascus barrels refinished ?
I would think they would come out looking pretty nice like the American barrels .

[Milton C Starr]

It was barrel heavy but not as much as you would expect. I have a 20/32 VHE and while not as heavy, the balance is about the same. The biggest problem with the 40” barrels was keeping them from hitting the ground when the action was open. I’m 6’1” and I can tell you it’s not 40” from my hip to the ground. They were actually a pain in the butt to manage because I was always worried about hitting the ground/ concrete with them. I’ll try to find a couple photos of the gun.

Ive seen people carry sxs/o/u's with the barrels broke open and the buttstock over their shoulder with the barrels facing down . Might be a better way to carry these long guns . I know with 32" barrels I would have to watch the doorway when taking the guns outside as to not hit the muzzles .

[Ken Hill]

Milton,

This is a 10gauge W&C Scott, but it isn't inexpensive http://www.ospreyarms.com/product/w-c-scott-10-bore-premier-hammergun/.

Ken

[Milton C Starr]

Milton,

This is a 10gauge W&C Scott, but it isn't inexpensive http://www.ospreyarms.com/product/w-c-scott-10-bore-premier-hammergun/.

Ken

Beautiful gun but even if I could afford it I would pass .
7lbs just sounds odd for a 10 ga and I like my 10 ga barrels to be 32" . I think premier is the grade of the shotgun ? Most premiers I've seen are hammerless sidelocks . Those are some tall hammers !

[Russell E. Cleary]

Milton:

Here’s a W. & C. Scott that has not-so-tall hammers.

My reprint of the 1890 Lovell Arms, of Boston, MA catalogue advertises two W. & C. Scott guns, each occupying entire and facing pages; one a hammerless, the other, depicted below, a Low Circular hammer gun.

Gauges available were 16; 12; 10 and 8.

Much is made in the ad copy of the low hammers, as follows:

“that the hammers when cocked lay VERY LOW (much lower than on any other hammer gun on the market). For this reason it is preferred by many to a hammerless gun.”

The grip type is alluded to by describing the gun as having a “Pistol Stock”, which today is more fashionably associated with Albert Edward, Prince of Wales (1841-1910).

[Milton C Starr]

Milton:

Here’s a W. & C. Scott that has not-so-tall hammers.

My reprint of the 1890 Lovell Arms, of Boston, MA catalogue advertises two W. & C. Scott guns, each occupying entire and facing pages; one a hammerless, the other, depicted below, a Low Circular hammer gun.

Gauges available were 16; 12; 10 and 8.

Much is made in the ad copy of the low hammers, as follows:

“that the hammers when cocked lay VERY LOW (much lower than on any other hammer gun on the market). For this reason it is preferred by many to a hammerless gun.”

The grip type is alluded to by describing the gun as having a “Pistol Stock”, which today is more fashionably associated with Albert Edward, Prince of Wales (1841-1910).

Does that say 110$ or 300$ I cant really make it out either way wouldnt that make them a pretty expensive sxs for the time ?

Theres a couple of Lovell 10 gauges on gunbroker also I have never heard of them before . Seems like you wouldnt want short hammers on a hammergun especially if you are wearing gloves .

[Milton C Starr]

The 10 ga W.& C. Scott im looking at is a tall hammer gun .

[CraigThompson]

It would be more of a challenge to get permission to use such a weapon at all on many quail lodges or plantations. Most would not allow it.
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I think if i booked a hunt and rolled in one of those joints with a short barrel 10 and my 1 1/8 ounce handloads they can suck the hind tit or give me a FULL refund .

[Milton C Starr]

I think if i booked a hunt and rolled in one of those joints with a short barrel 10 and my 1 1/8 ounce handloads they can suck the hind tit or give me a FULL refund .

Thats one way to put it lol but pretty much this , If thats what the client wanted than we would oblige them . Maybe if they used longer guns they would have better muzzle awareness :p . Ive seen one guest accidentally shoot someones house who bordered the plantation . Then again we did have 3,800 acres I have no idea why the game guide wanted to hunt on the perimeter of the land .

Are your handloads similair to the RST 1 1/8 oz ?
Thats all I ever shot in my short 10s . A very low kicking load and if I get another 10 ga will order some more in different shot sizes this time .

Some of these quail hunts especially in my area I think are around 2,000$+ a day with a 8 person party required .

[Russell E. Cleary]

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.

[Milton C Starr]

Milton:

It says, for the 10-gauge guns, (30 and 32-inch bbls): "....110.00."

The hammers are described as being "low"; not "short", although they may be that too.

The manipulable portion of the low hammers could be comparable with what you get with customary "high" hammers. Maybe someone with knowledge will comment.

The selling point is that when cocked, they are below the line of sight.

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right (maybe too evocative of a distressed Spaniel).

Lovell apparently offered some guns under its own brand, other "hardware store"-quality guns from sources domestic and foreign, as well guns of more recognizable and/or prestigious makers, such as W. W. Greener; Colt; Remington; Lefever; Ithaca and L. C. Smith and Parker.
I found a picture of a low hammer W.&C. Scott not sure if its the same as the model from that ad but they are low and noticeably shorter than the regular tall hammers . I guess you could have low tall hammers if they cocked back further . From my understanding W. Scotts son or sons can't remember if he had more than one ? Anyhow one of the sons was a inventor not a gunmaker so he came up with patents for the family business like the top lever . Low hammers sounds like one of those patent ideas that never caught on . There were alot of patents back then it seems for sxs shotguns .

[CraigThompson]

Are your handloads similair to the RST 1 1/8 oz ?
Thats all I ever shot in my short 10s . A very low kicking load and if I get another 10 ga will order some more in different shot sizes this time .


I'd say mine just might be lighter then RST . 18.6 grains of Red Dot pushing 1 1/8 ounces and a handful of spacers does not make a barn burner thumper load .

[Milton C Starr]

I'd say mine just might be lighter then RST . 18.6 grains of Red Dot pushing 1 1/8 ounces and a handful of spacers does not make a barn burner thumper load .

Are they sub sonic being such a lite load ? I think the RSTs are around 1150 fps ? Ive always wondered how or if transonic flight affects bb's and round balls like it does conical projectiles .

I never put any of the RSTs up against a patterning board to see how they actually perform . I know they worked very well on squirrels though .

[CraigThompson]

Are they sub sonic being such a lite load ? I think the RSTs are around 1150 fps ? Ive always wondered how or if transonic flight affects bb's and round balls like it does conical projectiles .

I never put any of the RSTs up against a patterning board to see how they actually perform . I know they worked very well on squirrels though .

I dunno if they're subsonic or not . I do however know they eat up clay targets on a skeet field , trap field and the limited sporting clays / five stand birds I've fired them at . They also do very nicely on dove and I would assume quail as well .

[CraigThompson]

Morris the guy at RST makes some pretty decent shells as I've bought a few boxes mostly 2 1/2" for my W&C Scott 12 and 20 hammerless guns . I however do not wish to pay his price , not saying they're over priced or anything like that I'm just cheap when it comes to ammunition .

[John Campbell]

Even if functional, the low hammer concept apparently never took off; they probably didn't look right .

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

[Milton C Starr]

To the contrary, if I may be allowed. Scott made thousands of "C-Hammer" guns. I've owned many myself. They function well and get the hammers down out of line of sight. But... good shots focus on the target, not the hammers.

Also... 40-inch barreled Scotts were said to be better for horseback hunting. They supposedly get the muzzle blast further away from the animal's ears. But I can't see how 10 extra inches of barrel would make much difference to a skittish mount.

Horseback hunting with a shotgun sounds like a odd concept to me .
Now with a rifle I could see situations where you may want or need to fire from horseback . If you are in say bear country or horsebacking and need to fire your rifle from the mount .

If a horses hearing is as good as their eyesight I doubt the extra barrel length matters at all to them .

Ive been noticing it seems like everyone whos selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are . However I have started to notice it seems like on shorter hammer guns the ears are at a angle on the hammer instead of just standing straight up .

[Milton C Starr]

Morris the guy at RST makes some pretty decent shells as I've bought a few boxes mostly 2 1/2" for my W&C Scott 12 and 20 hammerless guns . I however do not wish to pay his price , not saying they're over priced or anything like that I'm just cheap when it comes to ammunition .

Yeah they went up 3$ a box compared to last time I ordered any but a case usually lasts me a long time .
Im curious to see what they price their 8 gauge ammo at . Im guessing 30$ per 10 rounds .

[charlie cleveland]

i too am curios about the price of their 8 ga shells....i think they will do well with the 8 ga shells especially if they can sell to the other side of the big pond.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

i too am curios about the price of their 8 ga shells....i think they will do well with the 8 ga shells especially if they can sell to the other side of the big pond.....charlie

Thats a no go Charlie I already asked them if they planned to sale any to the U.K considering how many people still use it there for wildfowling . And the only people still making 8 gauges is Westley Richards seems like it would be a good place to sell . They said they dont export ammo and have no plans to sell there .

I think I added up it would cost 56$ to load a box of 25 using new hulls .
But if you add in the addition time it takes to resize the 8 ga hulls that would probably add some to the loading cost . I think 3$ a round is not out of the ballpark probably what 12 ga and 10 ga 3.5" turkey loads cost but I havnt looked in a long time . I think it will be cool just the fact of seeing cartridge boxes marked 8 gauge being made again . Last time I know of any 8 gauge ammo being produced was that run gamebore I think it was they did for 6000 cartridges .

[Dean Romig]

I've been noticing it seems like everyone who's selling a hammer gun takes pictures of them with them on half cock so you cant truly see how short or tall the hammers are.

Parker hammer guns don't have a 'half cock' position in the locks. The majority of hammer guns we see pictures of are guns with rebounding locks. This feature keeps the hammers off of the plungers, or firing pins - but the hammers can be pushed forward pretty easily, overcoming the rebound spring tension.





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[Brian Dudley]

The first hammer guns do have half cock locks. These are the guns made before the Stokes patent rebounding locks. They are only found in the first couple thousand serial numbers.

I have owned one.

[Milton C Starr]

Parker hammer guns don't have a 'half cock' position in the locks. The majority of hammer guns we see pictures of are guns with rebounding locks. This feature keeps the hammers off of the plungers, or firing pins - but the hammers can be pushed forward pretty easily, overcoming the rebound spring tension.





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I meant as far as W.&C. Scotts goes , I have seen pictures where the hammers are resting on the plungers and you can really get a idea of just how tall those tall hammers are . Like that 10 ga Ospreyarms is selling the hammers are resting on the plungers .

[Dean Romig]

Oh yeah, I forgot - this is a W&C Scott thread...... Nevermind :banghead::whistle::eek::rotf:





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[Milton C Starr]

The first hammer guns do have half cock locks. These are the guns made before the Stokes patent rebounding locks. They are only found in the first couple thousand serial numbers.

I have owned one.

I just noticed there are two different plunger styles on these hammer guns one has what looks like a nipple on it like the 10 ga Osprey is selling and the one im looking at as what I suppose would be the rebounding style ones . Even with the hammers not touching the plungers they are still pretty tall for the gun im looking at its in the earl 30k serial # range

[Milton C Starr]

Oh yeah, I forgot - this is a W&C Scott thread...... Nevermind :banghead::whistle::eek::rotf:





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Haha I dont mind Im always eager to learn things about any sxs gun maker

[Milton C Starr]

Is this the C hammer or low hammer model ?

[Brian Dudley]

I just noticed there are two different plunger styles on these hammer guns one has what looks like a nipple on it like the 10 ga Osprey is selling and the one im looking at as what I suppose would be the rebounding style ones . Even with the hammers not touching the plungers they are still pretty tall for the gun im looking at its in the earl 30k serial # range

The plunger styles to not indicate the lock type on Parkers.

[John Campbell]

Is this the C hammer or low hammer model ?

This gun is a C-hammer with rebounding locks.

[Dean Romig]

That is one pretty little gun - is it a small bore?... it sure looks like it is.





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[Jay Gardner]

Is this the C hammer or low hammer model ?

I would be VERY happy to own this gun. Beautiful.

JDG

[Milton C Starr]

That is one pretty little gun - is it a small bore?... it sure looks like it is.





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Think It was a 12 ga actually , from what ive seen W.& C. Scott used some pretty damascus on their guns .

[Dean Romig]

It sure is a dainty looking 12.... maybe the hammers are just a bit over-size looking.





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[Milton C Starr]

It sure is a dainty looking 12.... maybe the hammers are just a bit over-size looking.





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I was mistaken it was a 16 gauge that sold at auction for 4200$

[Russell E. Cleary]

That Romig eye again.