Has anyone used the ch 8 ga swagging dies ?

[Milton C Starr]

Ive been talking to Dave the owner of CH dies about his two set swagging dies for 8 ga industrial cases . He says he was experimented alot with them and gave me a detailed description how they work . Im waiting to hear back on if they work on the one piece case heads or just the two piece one which are the remington hulls if i recall .

I think using imperial sizing wax this would take alot of pain out of re sizing 8 ga hulls which i know some of yall do by hand or on a lathe .

This is how he said it works

First die has a radius to squeeze the 'BELT" Which is actually another band of brass, rather than peeling it. Second die takes that diameter clear to the rim. I experimented extensively with this & could not make it work with only one die.

[charlie cleveland]

i was given some measurements for a dye to swage the 8 ga hull a fellow made me a dye by the measurements it works in one step on all 8 ga hulls... some fellow builds a loader out of a 10 ga 600 junior into the 8 ga....maybe someone will jump in here...charlie

[Milton C Starr]

i was given some measurements for a dye to swage the 8 ga hull a fellow made me a dye by the measurements it works in one step on all 8 ga hulls... some fellow builds a loader out of a 10 ga 600 junior into the 8 ga....maybe someone will jump in here...charlie

I was looking into the RMC brass hulls but they are planning on closing doors.
Dave said he said he wasnt sure if it works on the single piece industrial cases.

What case lube do you use when sizing ?

Im months away from picking up a 8 ga cartridge gun but I just want to get my ducks in a row so to speak .

[Dennis E. Jones]

I made a two sided ring die that sizes down the base reinforcement on the base of the industrial cases in two steps. I lube them and use a arbor press to push them in and then put a wood dowel in the case and push it back out with the press.

[Milton C Starr]

I made a two sided ring die that sizes down the base reinforcement on the base of the industrial cases in two steps. I lube them and use a arbor press to push them in and then put a wood dowel in the case and push it back out with the press.

Does this work with the once piece case head ? I think its the winchesters than the base is once piece and the remingtons are two piece .

Though I found a picture of someone resizing the Winchester 8 ga hulls but didnt say what they were using to do it or method . It was a big red press and they were star crimping them.

Not sure now if im am going to try and get a 8 gauge or not .
I have the 8 gauge muzzleloader on the way . Guess it will depend on several factors and what I can find come around November .

[charlie cleveland]

milt on my 8 ga die i dont even have to use any oil works fine on any 8 ga hull made i have seen so far...press down for sizeing and then i turn it over and use a 3/8 size extension from my craftsman tools and press it out....perfect every time....when i first loaded 8 ga hulls i used a set of coduit wire pliers to shape the hull they did not look very pretty but it worked real good...just a idea for you.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

milt on my 8 ga die i dont even have to use any oil works fine on any 8 ga hull made i have seen so far...press down for sizeing and then i turn it over and use a 3/8 size extension from my craftsman tools and press it out....perfect every time....when i first loaded 8 ga hulls i used a set of coduit wire pliers to shape the hull they did not look very pretty but it worked real good...just a idea for you.....charlie

Haha Charlie I think I have some hulls from you that had the plier method applied to them I will take a picture of them later . That had to be 5 years ago or longer !

[Milton C Starr]

Charlie here are the 8 ga loads I got from you years ago I think back when you was using the pliers . I always wondered the two bulges on the bottom of the rim is that a process from reloading the 8 ga hulls or did they come like that ?

The 10 gauge next to them is a 3oz load from nitro ammo

[wayne goerres]

Those two bulges are from the factory. Your are over thinking this to much. The measurements I gave Charlie work fine and any machinist can make the die for a very nominal fee. Do a search of this forum and you will find a print for the die.

[Bill Murphy]

Milton, take next month's paycheck and buy 30 RMC eight gauge empties before they go out of business. There won't be any more. I have never loaded mine, but they are in reserve when my paper Winchesters wear out.

[Milton C Starr]

Milton, take next month's paycheck and buy 30 RMC eight gauge empties before they go out of business. There won't be any more. I have never loaded mine, but they are in reserve when my paper Winchesters wear out.

I was thinking about that but was wondering how their orders are coming along since they plan on closing but they dont have a date set . Theres a company like RMC thats starting to machine brass in all these obsolete and obscure calibers . They are using a milling machine with cad instead of turning each one by one on a lathe . The owner is a member of a antique firearms group I am on with Facebook . I need to ask him about setting up for milling 8 ga cases for when RMC does close . Though with RST bringing out a lineup for 8 ga , they are working with Tom Armbrust for their 8 ga lineup they told me .

I have about 25 resized 8 ga hulls I got from Mr.Charlie years ago when I planned on buying a Davenport.

As long as we dont get hit with another cat 5 hurricane like last year which pretty much ruined the peanut crop I will probably be able to get a Parkers 8 ga . So im praying we have a good season .

[Milton C Starr]

Those two bulges are from the factory. Your are over thinking this to much. The measurements I gave Charlie work fine and any machinist can make the die for a very nominal fee. Do a search of this forum and you will find a print for the die.

Haha I tend to over think everything I try to always plan everything out .
We dont have many machinist in this area but I could probably find one in Tallahassee .

[Matthew McFarland]

I use the CH4D dies and they work great. Both Winchester and Remington cases are sized easily. I don't remember which brand but one of them can be done in one step with only the second die. The one piece head is actually two pieces it just has the small belt under the case head instead of outside. I got my mec press from Ken Burns and I believe he is still making them and can give info if anyone wants it.

Matthew

[William Davis]

I have a lathe and have made quick and dirty rifle dies. Buying a set from CH4D most times is a better option. Most swaging takes several passes and can cause problems. Each case is different size, shape, temper, thin can be most difficult. Dave at CH knows his stuff and no doubts has worked the bugs out. He’s made several custom rifle dies for me.

Most any machinist can turn out a die few have hardening capability. CH dies are very hard and will last. Quick dies I have made are out of free machining steel and soft. Fine for experiments not a long term solution. Few 8 gage Hulls I would probably make my own. I have a very large Arbor press.

William