#7 frame 10 gauge

[Milton C Starr]

So I've been reading alot of parker history these past few days. Just seen that parker made 10 gauges on a #7 frame , I thought the 10s built on 6s were heavy .
Does anyone have a picture of a 10 ga on the #7 frame?

[charlie cleveland]

milton were did you read about the 10 ga on a 7 frame....there are some people on the forem with 6 frame 10s...would like to see that 7 frame 10 ga....i have a 7 frame lifter 8 ga and a 6 frame hammer 8 ga....weridst thing i got is a 10 ga hammer gun a 3frame with factory 30 inch barrels the barrels weigh marked on flats 7 lb 14 ounce...thought i had a winner with this one but seen another 30 inch barrel 10 ga weighed 8 lb 6 ounce for the barrels....missed buying that gun by a hair....i too like long barrels- heavy guns- long chambers....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

milton were did you read about the 10 ga on a 7 frame....there are some people on the forem with 6 frame 10s...would like to see that 7 frame 10 ga....i have a 7 frame lifter 8 ga and a 6 frame hammer 8 ga....weridst thing i got is a 10 ga hammer gun a 3frame with factory 30 inch barrels the barrels weigh marked on flats 7 lb 14 ounce...thought i had a winner with this one but seen another 30 inch barrel 10 ga weighed 8 lb 6 ounce for the barrels....missed buying that gun by a hair....i too like long barrels- heavy guns- long chambers....charlie

Charlie I didnt know you had two 8 gauges ? I remember a few years ago you telling me about the one with 28" barrels I believe ? Can you send me pictures of your other one ?

One the PGCA main page its lists that the #7 frame came in 8 and 10 gauge but that could be a typo ? The past two days ive been trying do dig up research on all the uncommon 10 gauge setups parker made .

I recently came across a 8 ga hammer gun with 30" a forum member checked the serial number they are suppose to be 34" so thats a pass for me . I seen the cost of having a set of cut down barrels sleeved back to their original length and wow cant see doing that when it costs as much as the gun itself . The 32" 8 ga parker I have my eye on has its original 32" barrels thats the one I am planning to try and grab .

[Milton C Starr]

milton were did you read about the 10 ga on a 7 frame....there are some people on the forem with 6 frame 10s...would like to see that 7 frame 10 ga....i have a 7 frame lifter 8 ga and a 6 frame hammer 8 ga....weridst thing i got is a 10 ga hammer gun a 3frame with factory 30 inch barrels the barrels weigh marked on flats 7 lb 14 ounce...thought i had a winner with this one but seen another 30 inch barrel 10 ga weighed 8 lb 6 ounce for the barrels....missed buying that gun by a hair....i too like long barrels- heavy guns- long chambers....charlie

Ive been trying to find a picture of a 8 ga parker hammer gun with 32" barrels

[charlie cleveland]

there is a guy on this forum that has a 6 frame 10 ga that weighs over 15 lbs biggest 10 ga i know of....i remember the barrels weigh over 10 lbs.....and it has 2 7/8 inch chambers....coupla guys on here have 10 ga magnums.....charlie

[CraigThompson]

The past two days ive been trying do dig up research on all the uncommon 10 gauge setups parker made .



Depending on how in depth you wanna take it what you are pursuing could take a lifetime :whistle:

[Milton C Starr]

Depending on how in depth you wanna take it what you are pursuing could take a lifetime :whistle:

I love the looks of the hammerless 10 ga parkers dont get me wrong .
But a #3 frame 10 ga seems pretty common . I have been trying to dig to see what is perhaps uncommon 10 ga parkers but ones you would see still come up for sale .

Locally about 3 yrs ago or 4 , there was a hammerless parkers 10 ga with 36" barrels that sold for 15,000$ .

I doubt any of the guys who own the #6 frame 10s would be willing to sell them.

I was looking at the parker story book and the prices ive seen are in the 500$ range . Thats out of my range right now as I am probably going to have to invest into alot of loading supplies for the 8 ga front stuff and If i am lucky to grab that parkers 8 ga the dies set is about 380$ . I have read that the lee 50 bmg single press will work but the handle it comes with is crap but works wonders if replaced with a 2ft steel lever .

So my ability to do any in depth research is limited right now .

[Milton C Starr]

there is a guy on this forum that has a 6 frame 10 ga that weighs over 15 lbs biggest 10 ga i know of....i remember the barrels weigh over 10 lbs.....and it has 2 7/8 inch chambers....coupla guys on here have 10 ga magnums.....charlie

Charlie I have found 2 ithaca NIDs in 10 ga 3.5 mag field grade guns .
But I dont know just looking at them they dont have the grace of a parkers in my opinion . Steve has a beautiful beretta silver hawk 10 listed but the beavertail forend just kills it for me

[charlie cleveland]

milt them ithaca magnums are real collectable too....i ve always wanted one but have not found one in my price range yet.... i too like splinter forearms.....hang in there theres a gun with your name on it out there maybe several.....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

milt them ithaca magnums are real collectable too....i ve always wanted one but have not found one in my price range yet.... i too like splinter forearms.....hang in there theres a gun with your name on it out there maybe several.....charlie

I wonder how does the ithaca mag 10 sxs compare to the
beretta silver hawk 10 gauges ?

Charlie we have alot of water here for wildfowling lots of mini islands to hunt from as well on our 37,000 acre lake .Ive never hunted waterfowl locally but I probably would if i got a 10 ga 3.5

Charlie I think there is a ithaca nid 10 mag right now for 2900$ listed .
I dont look at grades really as a requirement when looking for big bore sxs .
Theres not many quailty made 10 gauge 3.5s on the market or made originally . I know theres the ithacas and the silver hawks . I see alot of the richland 711 10 ga up for sale . Have always wondered what one of those would look liked if restocked with better wood and classic dimensions like a splinter forend .

Theres a beautiful ph 10 ga parkers that has a nasty scratch on the breech end of the barrels I was looking at . Looks like a lion swiped at it :rotf: , I was thinking perhaps if the barrels were reblued that it would be a beautiful gun again .

It seems to me while the 8 gauges are valuable they dont seem desirable , it seems like most of them sit around for years before someone picks them up .
I dont know if this is due to them not being legal to hunt waterfowl with or what . I think someone said in another post on here that 8 gauges are banned for hunting in 30 states .

My Dad has a friend with 4,000 acres so im going to see if i can get permission to hunt coyotes on his land with either the 8 ga or 10 .

[Craig Larter]

I have had an urge to buy a 8ga but then I figured why?? I can't use it for duck hunting, plus reloading gear is a big expense. Tens are easy to reload for and factory ammo is now available from RST. I have had two 6 frame 10's one hammer and one hammerless. I decided to keep the hammer gun and let the hammerless go. They are beasts for sure and I have killed ducks with both. The 10 I like best and is a little more manageable in the blind is a #3 frame 10ga with 34" damascus barrels, sweet!!

[Milton C Starr]

I have had an urge to buy a 8ga but then I figured why?? I can't use it for duck hunting, plus reloading gear is a big expense. Tens are easy to reload for and factory ammo is now available from RST. I have had two 6 frame 10's one hammer and one hammerless. I decided to keep the hammer gun and let the hammerless go. They are beasts for sure and I have killed ducks with both. The 10 I like best and is a little more manageable in the blind is a #3 frame 10ga with 34" damascus barrels, sweet!!

I don't waterfowl hunt but we have alot of nice turkey hunting here In south georgia and 8 gauge is legal for turkey . I have owned 5 10 gauges so far , I love the 10 gauge . The 8 gauge is just one of those dream guns I've been wanting for years . RST is working on 8 gauge loads right now actually .

Are you shooting bismuth in your 10 ga ?
I thought of trying to find a #6 framed 10 ga but I bet they go for more than the 8 ga #6 framed.

[Craig Larter]

I consigned my #6 Frame NH 10ga 32" to Poulin Auctions in ME, October 2019 sale.
Very interesting RST is considering the 8ga that would really be something!!

[Milton C Starr]

I consigned my #6 Frame NH 10ga 32" to Poulin Auctions in ME, October 2019 sale.
Very interesting RST is considering the 8ga that would really be something!!

Yeah I asked them if they was interested in doing a production run of 8 gauge ammo if like as a group buy and they told me they were already in the middle of doing R&D on a 8 gauge lineup . But they were having problems keeping the pressures down . I told them they should try and consult with Tom Armburst .
Just the fact of having some new shotshell boxes marked 8 ga would be exciting in itself to me . I also told them they would probably sell well in the UK considering the guys over there who still use 8 gauges for wild fowling loaded up with bismuth .


RST Classic Shotshell Co.
8:03 AM (6 hours ago)

to me

We are actually in the process of adding them to our line. But, the pressures are still just too high. They rock your jaw.
Stay tuned.

Thank you,
Chris

[Bill Murphy]

There are some 8 gauge Bismuth shells floating around if you look hard enough. No one is shooting them, just trading them around the double gun market.

[Milton C Starr]

There are some 8 gauge Bismuth shells floating around if you look hard enough. No one is shooting them, just trading them around the double gun market.

I bet RST will include a bismuth load when they release their 8 gauge lineup .
Though I dont see any reason to buy it since we cant shoot migratory birds with 8 gauges . Which I think is a law that should be adjusted here in Georgia because we now have a non migratory goose population .

I read that parkers made 10 ga 3.5 magnums along with Ithaca as a joint venture with olin ? I have never seen a parker 10 ga 3.5 . Theres a nid mag 10 for sale but the chokes are listed as .010 . That sounds like someone bored the chokes out a bit to me ?

[Bill Murphy]

Milton, a recent post told of a #6 frame ten. There is where your search begins. Mag ten Ithacas are not too expensive and easy to find. The Ithacas and the Berettas are equally great guns in my experience. An original 3 1/2" chambered fluid steel Parker is the holy grail of waterfowl guns useful in today's world.

[Milton C Starr]

Milton, a recent post told of a #6 frame ten. There is where your search begins. Mag ten Ithacas are not too expensive and easy to find. The Ithacas and the Berettas are equally great guns in my experience. An original 3 1/2" chambered fluid steel Parker is the holy grail of waterfowl guns useful in today's world.

Probably outside my price range , I'm currently saving and plan on staying under 5k . I have found 2 ithaca nid magnums well under that and a silver hawk. One of the Ithaca has .010 chokes , that's sounds very open perhaps someone bored them out . Are the Ithaca mid mags safe for non tox shot though ? I know they are considered collectible and the silver hawks not so much .

[Frank Cronin]

I have found 2 ithaca nid magnums well under that and a silver hawk. One of the Ithaca has .010 chokes , that's sounds very open perhaps someone bored them out .

You can tell for sure by the numbers on the stamped on the barrels near the barrel flats. 4 was full choke, 3 IM, 2 mod, 1 IC and 0 was cylinder.

My guess they were opened to shoot steel.

[Milton C Starr]

You can tell for sure by the numbers on the stamped on the barrels near the barrel flats. 4 was full choke, 3 IM, 2 mod, 1 IC and 0 was cylinder.

My guess they were opened to shoot steel.
Weird thing about that particular gun is it weighs a little more than the nid mag that hasn't had the choke bored .
I was wondering if it would considered sacrilege to have briley put tubes rated for non tox shot in a nid , specifically the tungsten rated chokes .

[Bill Murphy]

All Briley chokes are rated for no-tox. "Some" Briley chokes are rated for steel. I shot a ten gauge AYA with steel for more than a decade without damage. Yes, I would consider it a waste of money to install chokes in an NID ten. Sacrilege? Don't know about that.

[Milton C Starr]

All Briley chokes are rated for no-tox. "Some" Briley chokes are rated for steel. I shot a ten gauge AYA with steel for more than a decade without damage. Yes, I would consider it a waste of money to install chokes in an NID ten. Sacrilege? Don't know about that.

Only reason I brought it up the idea is because pugs has a NID 10 mag that someone bored the chokes out of .

And I was looking at pattern testing on another site with the 10 ga 3.5" using tss shot and I think they was getting 500 hits in a 30" circle at 40 yards with a #9 tss . From what I've read it's about the weight of a #5 lead shot size . Nasty stuff but I would be hesitant to put that through any barrel I owned haha .

The 10 ga browning pump I had patterned steel T shot evenly at 40 yards with a light modified choke . I used 7.5 lead shot in the RST 2 7/8 loads . Found it a bit lacking at times for squirrels so next time I may go with #5 or #4 .

[charlie cleveland]

milt go with the no 5 shot while the leaves are on they have enough power to shoot through the leaves and get that squirl....7 1/2 shot works fine on squirls when leaves are off trees...i need to start loading me some squirl loads....charlie

[Milton C Starr]

milt go with the no 5 shot while the leaves are on they have enough power to shoot through the leaves and get that squirl....7 1/2 shot works fine on squirls when leaves are off trees...i need to start loading me some squirl loads....charlie

Charlie for a long time I used my 10 ga 3.5"s for squirrels using the winchester hv turkey loads 2oz of #5s at 1300fps and the remington 2 1/4 oz load of #4s .
The hv 2oz always patterned better for me but both were more than sufficient I would say .

People think that lead turkey loads would ruin a squirrel but actually the most damage I ever seen on a squirrel was from a 17 hmr . Usually using these heavy shotgun loads I would only count a couple of hits on the squirrel regardless if I used a 1 1/4 oz load in a smaller gauge or 2 1/4 in a 10 ga .

I am going to have to buy a bag of shot for the muzzleloader and Im not sure what size I need to get I really want to use it on coyotes so im debating between lead #2s which I have read will kill a yote but thats highly debatable . Or lead T shot which bpi sells , one thing to note is that here in Georgia #2 Lead is legal for turkey but probably not ideal . Seems like I will need to buy two bags of different shot size .


Charlie after hurricane Michael last year we dont really have many trees , Id say a good 60%+ of them were removed by the hurricane . If you ever seen pictures of the Tunguska blast that what it looks like here now .

[charlie cleveland]

i have used the 3 1/2 inch 10 ga for squirls it will reach out and get them....i ve used the 8 ga many times for squirl hunting too and it gets the job done....will try the davenport 8 ga with 36 inch barrel and 4 inch chamber this fall on squirl it has full choke barrel...charlie

[Milton C Starr]

i have used the 3 1/2 inch 10 ga for squirls it will reach out and get them....i ve used the 8 ga many times for squirl hunting too and it gets the job done....will try the davenport 8 ga with 36 inch barrel and 4 inch chamber this fall on squirl it has full choke barrel...charlie

Are you going to be using RMCs 4" 8 ga cases ?
I wouldnt mind finding one of those Davenports this winter but they dont show up often . They have a pretty thick barrel ive seen the walls measure .120 at their minimum . I just got permission to hunt yotes on some land my dads best friend owns . So I hope to get to use the 8 gauge and perhaps a 10 gauge for that .

[charlie cleveland]

a 3 3/4 inch hull is the longest hull case i have it loads and fires fine...will have to look in on the rmc brass hull....these davenports do have very thick barrels maybe you can find you a davenport...charlie

[Milton C Starr]

a 3 3/4 inch hull is the longest hull case i have it loads and fires fine...will have to look in on the rmc brass hull....these davenports do have very thick barrels maybe you can find you a davenport...charlie

I know some 8 ga shooters would buy the brass RMC hulls and have them headstamped 10 ga so they could take them waterfowling :rotf:

RMC is planning on ceasing operations though because their machinist is becoming a police officer but last I looked they were still taking orders .
Well if I cant find one there are plenty of fine old 10 gauges that need a home .

Charlie I seen a thread on another site where a fellow was shooting industrial slugs out of his davenport :eek: sounds pretty dangerous but Ive found out myself its hard to inform people the kind of care and diligence needed when shooting and taking care of old guns like these .