2019 VINTAGE CUP poster

[Frank Srebro]

FYI, I saw a poster for the 2019 Vintage Cup today and took two cell phone pics because it was too large for one pic. September 19-21 at Hidden Hollow in PA. Note that the World Side by Side Championship and the Fox-Parker Challenge will be held on Saturday 21st. This is all I know about the event.

[Dean Romig]

That is also included in the Summer Issue of Parker Pages.





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[Bill Jolliff]

More info on the Vintage's web site:

http://vintagers.org/VC

[Sara LeFever]

Since we're getting close to being a month away from the Vintage Cup, who's planning on attending? I will be there Thursday afternoon through Saturday. :)

Sara

[john pulis]

same here, Thursday thru Saturday.

[Eric Eis]

Openning of bird season so I won't be there and I know Rich (COB) won't be either.

[Brian Dudley]

See you all there. I will be sharing a booth with some friends and helping out at the LACA booth. Maybe I will actually get to do some shooting this time.

[Randy G Roberts]

I will be attending for the first time. Looking forward to it.

[Dean Romig]

Has the PGCA been asked to set up a display booth at Hausmann’s/Vintagers??





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[Kevin McCormack]

The AHFCA will be there in force. What about the "New England Mob" ??

[Daryl Corona]

I'll be there but only to participate in the FPC. For those of you who are familiar with Hausmann's be prepared for a drastic change in the parking situation. Looks like no more camping or parking in the field we are used to using for this event.

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

I'll be there Thursday and Friday. Do you have any idea what the parking arrangements will be?

[Dean Romig]

Kathy and I will be there. I'm sure hoping other New Englanders will be there too.





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[Steve Cambria]

[QUOTE=Dean Romig;279010]Has the PGCA been asked to set up a display booth at Hausmann’s/Vintagers??

At this late date, I certainly hope so Dean. :eek::eek::eek:

Speaking on behalf of the AHFCA, I'd like to invite/urge that the PGCA booth be set contiguously to ours. Clearly, the union of these two esteemed organizations is SYNERGISTIC to say the least. (1+1=Grand Slam!!)

Additionally, we're sponsoring the premiere shooting event of the weekend, the 8th Annual (hard to fathom) Fox vs. Parker Challenge so why on earth should we be on opposite ends of the big top?? Granted, we'll have to endure three days with "His Eminence" (that Bishop dude) but hell, nothing a handful of opioids can't suppress!! :crying::crying:

Also note, that all of the Fox BOD's are PGCA members as well (hmmm, unrequited love, perhaps?) and in the event of any labor shortage, we could certainly keep an eye out on your booth and vice versa. It just seems to make perfect sense but then again, so does the death penalty.....:banghead:

See you at The Hollow!!

[Dean Romig]

Thanks very much Steve.

I haven't heard anything so I had no idea what the plan was to be.
Kathy and I will be arriving on Friday afternoon and leaving on Sunday morning.

I have three or four PGCA tablecloths and the transient PGCA hanging banner and can ship them to anybody willing to set up a booth for the PGCA and of course, we'll need folks to man the booth.

I'm sorry to say it appears that our PGCA pool of volunteers for these Northeastern events seems to have diminished in the last couple of years. So, hoping it won't fall upon deaf ears - WE NEED A FEW GOOD MEN... AND WOMEN TOO.... *hope that wasn't too loud...*





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[Brian Dudley]

I'll be there but only to participate in the FPC. For those of you who are familiar with Hausmann's be prepared for a drastic change in the parking situation. Looks like no more camping or parking in the field we are used to using for this event.

They are supposedly going to have 3-4 tents for vendors and organizations. I do not know where they are going to put them. And I guess they have the people to fill them.
I know that Vendors will not be able to park at the tents during the event. I would assume that the field will be used for parking. Just camping not allowed. But I don't know for sure.

[Daryl Corona]

From what I understand with the info I got so far is that the field we used to park/camp in will not be used for either purpose. Parking will be in the field to the left as you are approaching HH, where in years past they have had instructional shooting set up. There will be a shuttle from the main venue to the parking area.

And no vendor parking at the tents? That should go over like a lead balloon.

The field where the mad jack was will be used for vendor tents.

I could be wrong, as I am frequently, but I believe the info I got.

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

Mad Jack is listed on the flyer as a side game. I wonder how that will work if there are vendor tents on the field. And on these shuttles....will there be room for gun carts, guns, flats of shells, etc.? Just trying to figure out the logistics.

[Brett Hoop]

Ernie told several of us that the plan at that time(June) was that there would be a pigeon ring in “the field” thus no parking or camping there. They plan to use the first fields as you enter for parking and will shuttle.

[Mills Morrison]

I will be there with my son Harry. Really looking forward to it!

[Brian Dudley]

Those first fields are a long way out from the venue. Maybe 1/2 mile. This will be interesting.

[Pete Lester]

From what I understand with the info I got so far is that the field we used to park/camp in will not be used for either purpose. Parking will be in the field to the left as you are approaching HH, where in years past they have had instructional shooting set up. There will be a shuttle from the main venue to the parking area.

And no vendor parking at the tents? That should go over like a lead balloon.

The field where the mad jack was will be used for vendor tents.

I could be wrong, as I am frequently, but I believe the info I got.

I was thinking about going but this sounds like a PITA at best and possibly a CLUSTER. I would think the pigeon ring should have gone in the field to the left as you enter the club. Everybody needs to park but not everybody is going to shoot in the pigeon ring. Shuttle the shooters using the pigeon ring rather than everyone in attendance. Especially since most folks will be going back and forth several times as they change guns or put their stuff away while they go have lunch or look at the items for sale.

[Kevin McCormack]

[QUOTE=Dean Romig;279025]Thanks very much Steve.

I'm sorry to say it appears that our PGCA pool of volunteers for these Northeastern events seems to have diminished in the last couple of years. So, hoping it won't fall upon deaf ears - WE NEED A FEW GOOD MEN... AND WOMEN TOO.... *hope that wasn't too loud...*

Sounds like a combination of " My Dinner with Andre " and "Waiting for Godot".

[Dean Romig]

[QUOTE=Dean Romig;279025]Thanks very much Steve.

I'm sorry to say it appears that our PGCA pool of volunteers for these Northeastern events seems to have diminished in the last couple of years. So, hoping it won't fall upon deaf ears - WE NEED A FEW GOOD MEN... AND WOMEN TOO.... *hope that wasn't too loud...*

Sounds like a combination of " My Dinner with Andre " and "Waiting for Godot".



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[Mike Koneski]

I will be there for a bit to shoot a few events and qualify for the Fox-Parker Challenge.

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

A post on another forum indicates a turnout of less that 200 shooters at the Vintagers Maryland venue for the past few years. Assuming some of those shooters also attended the SxS Classic at HHHSC in June, would anyone care to speculate the number of shooters we might have at Ernie's for this years Vintagers shoot?

[Eric Eis]

I think Matt said he is hoping for over 200 shooters this year, not sure what that means, 201 or 250 !

[Pete Lester]

I think Matt said he is hoping for over 200 shooters this year, not sure what that means, 201 or 250 !

How does this compare with shoot in June at HHH for attendance, anyone know? I think a shoot 10 days or so before the first of October will suffer as many people will taking time off and or traveling for the start of upland bird season.

[Eric Eis]

How does this compare with shoot in June at HHH for attendance, anyone know? I think a shoot 10 days or so before the first of October will suffer as many people will taking time off and or traveling for the start of upland bird season.

Well here in MI the grouse season starts on Sept 15 and the woodcock season about a week after that so that's the reason Rich and I will not be there.

[Randy G Roberts]

Sounds like a lot of walking to me. Following is the contact info for cart rental if interested:
Empire Golf Cars
Jim Farrelly
(607) 206-4100
(888) 913-6747

[Eric Eis]

Sounds like a lot of walking to me. Following is the contact info for cart rental if interested:
Empire Golf Cars
Jim Farrelly
(607) 206-4100
(888) 913-6747

Sounds to me a golf cart rental will be a Must! :shock:

[Bob Decker]

Has anybody on this post actually spoken to Ernie about parking/camping issues? I am sure that it would be better to let us know on a forum than each individual call Ernie. At the NE SxS I was led to believe that we would be parking/camping in the field that is on the right as you come in and make the left hand turn into the house/barn/tent area. There would be no tent side parking and no parking along side the barn.

[Bob Decker]

I got this message back from Tom Snyder about parking:
Shooters will park in a field on the left just before the stone quarry. People will also be able to pull RVs in there and camp. Exhibitor unloading is the same as before at the tents. Parking for exhibitors will be an area set aside in the parking lot near the gated entrance - old parking lot. Golf cart will be staged at the field parking lot. Busing will also be available from the parking to the registration area. There will be shuttle carts for people going to the rifle range. Handicap parking for shooters is in the field near the bus pick up and golf carts. People with their own golf cart can drive it to the rifle range. Exhibitors with golf carts will find them located at the exhibitor parking. Exhibitor set up is 18 Sept.
Hope that answers your questions.
Tom

[Dean Romig]

Sounds to me a golf cart rental will be a Must! :shock:



After reading Tom Snyder's communique, I must agree with you Eric.





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[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

I agree with JB Books...this is going to be a PITA

[Pete Lester]

I got this message back from Tom Snyder about parking:
Shooters will park in a field on the left just before the stone quarry. People will also be able to pull RVs in there and camp. Exhibitor unloading is the same as before at the tents. Parking for exhibitors will be an area set aside in the parking lot near the gated entrance - old parking lot. Golf cart will be staged at the field parking lot. Busing will also be available from the parking to the registration area. There will be shuttle carts for people going to the rifle range. Handicap parking for shooters is in the field near the bus pick up and golf carts. People with their own golf cart can drive it to the rifle range. Exhibitors with golf carts will find them located at the exhibitor parking. Exhibitor set up is 18 Sept.
Hope that answers your questions.
Tom

Some critical pieces of information we should know; how frequent is the busing going to run and what time is it going to run start to finish each day? Where is the rifle range, I don't think I have seen it before and what is it being used for, I thought this was a clay pigeon shoot?

Everyone needs a golf cart? I have to think this change in the setup is going to be enough of a PITA to cause some folks to reconsider attending.

Looking at Google Earth parking is going over .6 of a mile away from the grounds of HHH.

[James L. Martin]

Having been to HHH many times for the spring shoot this does not sound like it will work out. I may just go one day to look at the guns and forget about shooting. The more I think about it the more of a hassle it becomes. Too bad I was looking forward to this event.

[Ronald Scott]

So if I understand correctly they are going to use the field circled at the top left rather than the usual field circled below and close to the driveway ...

That changes everything -- especially if you are camping. It was nice being close to the action -- it was an easy walk down to the tents etc. Grab a bite to eat, check out the guns and walk back -- now you have to wait for a bus or rent a cart? I'm just picturing that road with 20 golf carts and a bus racing back and forth -- bring a helmet!

Hopefully there will be plenty of tailgating going on in the upper field. I'll camp and hang out there for the most part and just bus down to look at guns and shoot.

[Ronald Scott]

I don't think I have seen it before and what is it being used for, I thought this was a clay pigeon shoot?

I haven't seen the rifle range either. I know in the past they have held matches for double rifles and for stalking rifles. I'd like to know more about that. Has anyone shot in the rifle matches at Hausmann's? Where is the range and what constitutes a "stalking rifle?"

[Austin J Hawthorne Jr.]

This is just something I heard at Junes SxS shoot, but they did reconfigure the 5 stand setup and also did some trail clearing to the left of it. I think the rifle range and some additional clays presentations will be in that area. Anybody know for sure?

[Mike Koneski]

Austin, the little guns (.410 through 24 or 28)will be shot on the course beyond the 5-Stand. Not sure where the rifle event will be. I remember there was one set up to the left of the access drive to the vendors tent a few years ago. But that is probably not the location in September. I’m thinking the far end of the small bore course.

[edgarspencer]

Sounds like a lot of walking to me. Following is the contact info for cart rental if interested:
Empire Golf Cars
Jim Farrelly
(607) 206-4100
(888) 913-6747

Somewhat of a disappointment to have to budget more for my half of a cart rental, than the ammo I hope to shoot.

[Bob Jurewicz]

A nonmember friend asked if there is an ENTERENCE CHARGE for this event?
Bob Jurewicz

[Dean Romig]

Always has been in the past.....





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[Daryl Corona]

A nonmember friend asked if there is an ENTERENCE CHARGE for this event?
Bob Jurewicz

The last couple of years at Hopkins in Maryland there was no fee charged just to come and browse the vendors. Years ago at Sandanonna and I think as recently as Pintail Point they did charge to enter but realized that it upset people. If you were registered to shoot the fee was waived.

[Dean Romig]

Right, same at our recent Annual Meeting at Addieville in conjunction with the Vintagers.





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[James L. Martin]

Does anyone know if there is a entrance charge this year? will PGCA members get in free if there is a charge? I have not read anywhere in there ads about a entrance fee.

[Ronald Scott]

Does anyone know if there is a entrance charge this year? will PGCA members get in free if there is a charge? I have not read anywhere in there ads about a entrance fee.

I was wondering if you have to be a member of the Vintagers to shoot at the event?

[Dean Romig]

Exhibitors have always enjoyed no entrance fee... and the PGCA is an exhibitor.





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[Frank Srebro]

Does anyone know if there is a entrance charge this year? will PGCA members get in free if there is a charge? I have not read anywhere in there ads about a entrance fee.

If there is a fee ….. what's the rationale for random PGCA members getting in free? Almost everyone is a member of one of the exhibiting associations: Fox, Lefever, L C Smith, German Gun Collectors, etc. Should the same benefit apply to their members? At Vintagers events back in the good old days at Pintail Point the table people (3-4) got free badges but that didn't extend to hundreds of members of collector groups.

I'm not connected with the event or the Vintagers principals in any way; I’m just a SxS shooter and gun nut like many here. Let's put this event in perspective. I'm thinking it will be the largest SxS shoot and table exhibition north of the Spring Southern. So you might spend a few extra bucks to split a golf cart with your buddy; that will get you easy access to/from the parking area and around the courses and tents. Entrance fee (if any) can't be that much and I doubt it’s a make or break for almost all of us. Are you going to cancel out going because the setup is different and a little more expensive than the Hidden Hollow June shoot? Not this guy.

[Dean Romig]

Hope to see you there Frank.

Incidentally, all collector groups who have tables at the event are exhibitors. I only made reference to the PGCA because this is the PGCA website. I don’t speak for others I am not affiliated with as a paid member.





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[Steve Cambria]

Let's put this event in perspective. I'm thinking it will be the largest SxS shoot and table exhibition north of the Spring Southern. Are you going to cancel out going because the setup is different and a little more expensive than the Hidden Hollow June shoot? Not this guy!!

In other words...………

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[Josh Loewensteiner]

There is no admission charge for this event, regardless of club affiliation. This sounds like it is shaping up to be a wonderful weekend filled with plenty of fine guns (I heard vendor tents are about sold out) good people, and plenty of fun targets. PGCA annual meeting is always a great time as well! What more could we ask for?

[Dean Romig]

Thanks for that information Josh!

We’ll see you there!





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[Brian Dudley]

Charging admission went by the wayside with the changing of the guard in the vintagers. They have not charged admission the last 3 years since they started again. I do not see why they would at hausmanns. But... i only speculate.

I only attended one of the Vintage Cups under the old management. That was at addieville when the annual meeting was there in 2013 I believe. And they were NOT charging admission for members of collectors associations (or at least the pgca, I cannot speak for others). I recall driving up and being asked if I was a member of any of the associations, I said PGCA and they waved me through.

[Pete Lester]

For those who have not seen it elsewhere this schedule of events showed up on the Lefever Arms Facebook page. Interesting things to note, Main event starts at 10 AM Saturday but shooting hours are listed as starting at 9AM, FPC is also at 10AM Saturday. Youth shooters under 16 need proof of completion of a Hunter Education Course.

[edgarspencer]

So you might spend a few extra bucks to split a golf cart with your buddy

It wouldn't prevent me from attending, but just for the record, Frank, the cart rental is more than double Addievilles rate, at a few bucks shy of $200.

[Pete Lester]

It wouldn't prevent me from attending, but just for the record, Frank, the cart rental is more than double at Addieville, at a few bucks shy of $200.

It would be nice to get confirmation of any shuttle arrangement and the details of how it will run.

[Frank Srebro]

Duplicate - deleted.

[Frank Srebro]

It wouldn't prevent me from attending, but just for the record, Frank, the cart rental is more than double at Addieville, at a few bucks shy of $200.

Edgar, respectfully, the advert on the Vintagers site shows a 2 person cart @ $165. plus tax for the three days,

165 * 1.06 (PA tax rate) = $175. for the three days, again that's the total for two people on the seat.

I have no idea what the cart rate was/is for three days at Addieville but I do know when I did the VC at Addieville a few years back there was only one course, short enough to walk which we did; the parking area was adjacent to the tents; and the vendors were pretty sparse. Also the sit down lunch was served on china and although good the price was right up there. I don't remember an option to order a burger or something light.

Net, imo any comparison between clubs and rental golf cart suppliers is irrelevant. Apples to oranges.

[Dean Romig]

I have no idea what the cart rate was/is for three days at Addieville but I do know when I did the VC at Addieville a few years back there was only one course, short enough to walk which we did; the parking area was adjacent to the tents; and the vendors were pretty sparse. Also the sit down lunch was served on china and although good the price was right up there. I don't remember an option to order a burger or something light.

Net, imo any comparison between clubs and rental golf cart suppliers is irrelevant. Apples to oranges.

I fail to see any relevance in your example Frank, unless for some reason the golf cart vendor is justified in his pricing for the ‘comparison’ you have made?





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[Frank Srebro]

I fail to see any relevance in your example Frank, unless for some reason the golf cart vendor is justified in his pricing for the ‘comparison’ you have made?





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Dean, I tried to reply to Edgar's quote and his math, and also stated that imo comparisons between clubs and cart rentals are irrelevant. Bottom line, I didn't set up nor am I running the rental golf cart concession. Those who feel the rate or other arrangements are out of line or not justified should work it with the Vintager's rep. I am done with this thread.

frank

[Dean Romig]

Sorry Frank, I hope you weren’t insulted by my reply.
I know you have nothing to do with any of the arrangements for the event.

$60/day for a cart seems pricey but they are probably the only vendor who can handle the number of carts needed so we just have to accept it or take the shuttle.





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[Frank Srebro]

Thanks Dean, no I wasn't insulted. I do understand there are different perspectives on value received vs. cost. I hope to see you at the VGC.

frank

[edgarspencer]

The Addieville course is 100 targets, as opposed to a shorter walk for 50 or 60 targets at HHSC.
I am splitting with another PGCA member, and while I've never seen the Vintagers poster, my share of the cart is over $90.
To my knowledge, there is no offer to rent for $60/day.
Comparing food at the two venues is really splitting hairs, but at least we got to park closer to shooting and tents in RI.

[Russell E. Cleary]

This is an interesting and informative thread. I almost missed it, not looking under NON-PARKER SHOOTING EVENTS, SHOWS AND CONVENTIONS for anything related to the up-coming 2019 PGCA Annual Meeting and Banquet.

This is an event Kathy G. and I are looking forward to, however much this Thread was beginning to feel like someone might well print up some tee-shirts saying, I SURVIVED THE VINTAGERS GUNNERS CHAMPIONSHIP AND EXHIBITION AT HAUSEMANN’S HIDDEN HOLLOW IN SEPTEMBER 2019.

Having missed so many Northeast-based Parker events over the years, being at sea half the time, I see this event offering a lot more upside than downside for the vintage gun enthusiast.

We expect to be there, not shooting, but looking, learning, admiring and maybe relieving someone at the PGCA table so he can shoot.

[Frank Srebro]

This has nothing to do with rental golf carts, parking or shuttles but I want to clarify that the 2012 Vintage Cup at Addieville and specifically the Fox - Parker Challenge was shot on a 50 bird course, not 100. The final tally for 5 shooters on each team X 50 birds each was Fox 219 and Parker 201.

[edgarspencer]

This has nothing to do with rental golf carts, parking or shuttles but I want to clarify that the 2012 Vintage Cup at Addieville and specifically the Fox - Parker Challenge was based on a 50 bird course, not 100. The final tally for 5 shooters on each team X 50 birds each was Fox 219 and Parker 201.

.......and the main event was 100 birds, as were the practice rounds.

[Frank Srebro]

.......and the main event was 100 birds, as were the practice rounds.

A comparison with the VC when at Addieville keeps coming up. Again to clarify some details, for 2012 the Vintage Cup Main Event at Addieville was indeed 100 birds, and the "Small Gauge, 10 gauge, 12 gauge Preliminary, American Classic, RST 12 gauge Hammer gun and the Black Powder cartridge shotgun" events were all 50 birds each. No mention in the program of any practice birds on the course. Entry was $20. per day except for preregistered shooters/spouses and Vintagers members/spouses.

Those 50 bird course events at Addieville sound similar to those planned at the upcoming VGC.

[Bob Decker]

News from Tom Snyder today is that parking and camping will be back at the field used during the Northeast SxS at Hausmann's. The field down by the quarry will be used for overflow parking and there will be a shuttle. I don't understand what parking will be allowed along the tents for venders. This sounds somewhat better than last week's plans for parking and camping.

[Frank Srebro]

News from Tom Snyder today is that parking and camping will be back at the field used during the Northeast SxS at Hausmann's. The field down by the quarry will be used for overflow parking and there will be a shuttle. I don't understand what parking will be allowed along the tents for venders. This sounds somewhat better than last week's plans for parking and camping.

Dr Bob,
I talked with Tom Snyder while at an invitational shoot today and he told me the regular/close field will be used for shooter parking, and that shooter overflow and spectator parking (visitors to look at guns, accouterments, etc in the tents) will be in the field near the quarry and with shuttle transport. We DID NOT talk about camping and thus I suggest you verify that any revised camping arrangements will be as you had written in the quote.

[Frank Srebro]

Just a weather update: I live about 30 miles from Hidden Hollow and today's forecast for Thursday thru Saturday is sun all three days, with daytime highs of 71 to 76 and overnight lows of 46 to 56. Looking good.

[Randy G Roberts]

Just a weather update: I live about 30 miles from Hidden Hollow and today's forecast for Thursday thru Saturday is sun all three days, with daytime highs of 71 to 76 and overnight lows of 46 to 56. Looking good.

Yes Sir ! I googled the weather this AM and cannot say how thrilled I am to be leaving this 90 degree mode we seem to be stuck in, not to mention the makings of a drought.