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James Palmer
05-22-2019, 10:43 PM
Ran into these as well.

32 ga paper.

Info?

Brian Dudley
05-23-2019, 12:08 AM
The 32g is basically the euro equivalent to the 410 bore.

Rich Anderson
05-23-2019, 12:55 PM
I thought the 32 was much closer to a 28 than the 410. One reason they never became very popular.

Daryl Corona
05-23-2019, 01:02 PM
I think Rich is correct for if my memory serves me correctly the .410 bore is equal to a 67 gauge.

Bill Murphy
05-23-2019, 01:04 PM
Now you have to hunt for a gun to shoot those shells in.

Rich Anderson
05-23-2019, 02:24 PM
There is a 32ga hammer gun for sale on Guns International.

edgarspencer
05-23-2019, 02:35 PM
The 32g is basically the euro equivalent to the 410 bore.:nono:

I believe .410 is also called 12mm, and once was called 36ga.
The 32ga is also called a 14mm

32ga guns are still made in Italy, and not so long ago, in Spain also

Ken Hill
05-23-2019, 06:50 PM
:nono:

I believe .410 is also called 12mm, and once was called 36ga.
The 32ga is also called a 14mm

32ga guns are still made in Italy, and not so long ago, in Spain also

Edgar is correct on the 36 gauge being a .410. http://www.fourten.org.uk/36gauge.html

Ken

Dave Noreen
05-23-2019, 07:21 PM
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Jerry Harlow
05-23-2019, 08:12 PM
I think Rich is correct for if my memory serves me correctly the .410 bore is equal to a 67 gauge.

Correct.

1 Pound / gauge = weight of lead sphere Caliber of lead sphere is then measured
gauge pounds mm inches
0.25 4 67.34 2.651
0.5 2 53.45 2.103
0.75 1 1/3 46.70 1.838
1 1 42.42 1.669
1.5 2/3 37.05 1.459
2 1/2 33.67 1.326
3 1/3 29.41 1.158
4 1/4 26.72 1.052
5 1/5 24.80 0.976
6 1/6 23.35 0.919
6.278 1/6.278 23.00 0.906
7 1/7 22.18 0.873
8 1/8 21.21 0.835
9 1/9 20.39 0.803
10 1/10 19.69 0.775
11 1/11 19.07 0.751
12 1/12 18.53 0.729
13 1/13 18.04 0.710
14 1/14 17.60 0.693
15 1/15 17.21 0.677
16 1/16 16.83 0.663
17 1/17 16.50 0.650
18 1/18 16.19 0.637
20 1/20 15.63 0.615
22 1/22 15.13 0.596
24 1/24 14.70 0.579
26 1/26 14.31 0.564
28 1/28 13.97 0.550
32 1/32 13.36 0.526
36 1/36 12.85 0.506
40 1/40 12.40 0.488
67.62 1/67.62 10.41 0.410

Brian Dudley
05-23-2019, 11:20 PM
Should I have maybe said the equal in popularity and use? That is kind of what I was getting at.

edgarspencer
05-24-2019, 09:48 AM
Jerry, do you know why the cartridge manufacturers referred to the .410 as 36ga? (a sample as shown in Dave's post)

Rick Riddell
05-24-2019, 09:49 AM
:nono:

I believe .410 is also called 12mm, and once was called 36ga.
The 32ga is also called a 14mm

32ga guns are still made in Italy, and not so long ago, in Spain also

Edgar is on it, still called the 36 gauge across the pond!!

Jerry Harlow
05-24-2019, 11:20 AM
Jerry, do you know why the cartridge manufacturers referred to the .410 as 36ga? (a sample as shown in Dave's post)

Edgar,

This is only an educated guess but the base diameter of the cartridge/shell is 11.9 mm/.490, so they opted to call it in addition to a .410 a 12mm which is close to a 36 gauge (but should have at least called it a 40 gauge), ignoring that the bore size was actually 67 gauge. I guess 36 gauge sounded sexier than a 67 gauge and would result in more sales.

Type Shotgun, revolver, single-shot pistol
Place of origin England
Production history
Manufacturer Eley Brothers
Produced 1874 onwards
Specifications
Case type Rimmed, straight, (optional plastic)
Bullet diameter .410 in (10.4 mm) (slug)
Neck diameter .455 in (11.6 mm) (plastic)
Base diameter .470 in (11.9 mm)
Rim diameter .535 in (13.6 mm)
Rim thickness .060 in (1.5 mm)
Overall length 2″, 2 1/2″, 3″
Primer type Shotshell primer
Maximum pressure ) 18,130 psi

Rich Anderson
05-24-2019, 02:08 PM
I thought the 410 was considered more as a caliber than a gauge.

Dave Noreen
05-24-2019, 04:34 PM
For the 105 years they've been manufactured here in North America, our manufacturers have certainly played fast and loose with the terminology. They call it .410 gauge as often as they call it .410 bore. Remington ad circa 1930 --

73191

In the early years the most often included 12 m/m and 36 gauge on their packaging --

73192

73193

73194

Here at least Winchester just used .410 and (12 m/m) --

73195

But here they used 410 GA --

73196

charlie cleveland
05-24-2019, 04:50 PM
in that 2 inch 410 shell it says no 1 chilled shot....what could you use this load on...could not be many shot in this load.....interesting load to me....charlie

edgarspencer
05-24-2019, 07:18 PM
Dave, I'd sure like to find a cupboard full of those Peters Squirrels.

Dean Romig
05-25-2019, 07:36 AM
I thought the 410 was considered more as a caliber than a gauge.


Yup, it's not a 410 bore (though 410 bore is closer) and it's not a 410 gauge either - technically, it's a .410 caliber shotshell/shotgun.





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Paul Harm
06-08-2019, 01:01 PM
You could shoot em in a 28ga if you wanted. Might not be good for anything afterwards.

Dave Noreen
06-08-2019, 03:32 PM
Dave, I'd sure like to find a cupboard full of those Peters Squirrels.

Looking at the pictures of them in the Wards Auction or on SoldUSA is likely as close as I'm ever going to come to a box of those Peters with the Squirrel on the label