2 oz of #10 shot at 540fps?

[Rick Riddell]

https://wagnershells.com/product/2-2-10-shotgun-shells/
Anyone seen these? Looks like it will blow the barn doors off! What do you think the pressures would be at 2oz?

[Rick Losey]

540 feet per second - :corn:

at the muzzle :rolleyes:

you might be able to see a 2oz cloud of shot fall to the ground at that speed

and they show a turkey on the box for #10 size- i expect rain drops would penetrate the feathers more

"Simply put, this shell is designed for “blowing holes”"

sounds more like for blowing smoke

[Rick Riddell]

thats a lot of shot, the 540fps through me off, I emailed them, but haven't heard back.

[Jerry Harlow]

Turkey Shoot shells (thus the turkey). A carry back to the nineteenth century when they were shooting their favorite rifle at a live turkey's head. They are used for shooting matches here in the South (at small paper targets with a cross hairs (X) in the middle, thus the blowing a hole mention). You'll see Winchester 37s with a barrel half way to the target and a scope to boot. Lots of effort spent in the guns, getting the right combination. I don't know about up North, but the matches here are a big event, usually with the hunt club bringing in lots of money for a few hams, sides of bacon, shoulders, money pots, etc. As much of a social event as anything, with a little liquor thrown in.

As a funny thing I will always remember, a fellow down the road from me had removed the scope from his single barrel. But whoever tapped it had gone all the way into the chamber. He did not put plugs back into the holes and every time he shot, he blew his cap off his head. Needless to say, the hulls I would get from his gun had two holes in them.

[Mark Garrett]

Application : Target

maybe for paper target turkey shoot ??

JA , I was typing the same time you where , my guees was right.

[Rick Losey]

that would make sense - sure doesn't look like a hunting load

[Jerry Harlow]

A guy I used to work with wanted to cheat a "little" at the shooting match. He knew they were using Federal paper 1 1/8 ounce 9s so he brought me some hulls and asked could I help him out. So I loaded 1 1/2 ounce of 9s into the hull, and one could not tell the difference between a new shell and his secret shell.

So when they handed him the shell, which they do one at a time so the playing field is fair, he would pocket the factory shell and slip in the "magnum." He said it sounded like a cannon going off and would almost knock him to the ground in the light gun. I doubt it took the shooting match people long to figure it out. I guess I should have cut back on the powder.

https://www.turkeyshoot.net/rules.htm

In the link above you will find the 2-2-10 shells mentioned.

[Rick Riddell]

learn something new everyday!!

[Jay Oliver]

I saw some long barreled single-shot shotguns in an upcoming Rock Island Auction. I was trying to figure out what you would use them for. After reading this thread I now know. Those are some long barrels:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/2023/725/three-long-barreled-single-shot-shotguns

[CraigThompson]

I went with some friends a couple times this past winter to a “Turkey Shoot” across the mountain in Harrisonburg VA . First time I’d been to one in over thirty years I believe . Anyway they had the Wagner shells there . Seems they make a 540 FPS shell and another that’s 690 FPS if memory serves both with #10’s . Anyway I bought a box of the faster one “I think” . Never fired any but I will eventually .

[CraigThompson]

I wasn’t totally correct the box I bought are 1 1/4 ounce of 10’s and supposedly 800 FPS . https://wagnershells.com/product/match-10-shotgun-shells/

[Jerry Harlow]

I saw some long barreled single-shot shotguns in an upcoming Rock Island Auction. I was trying to figure out what you would use them for. After reading this thread I now know. Those are some long barrels:

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/2023/725/three-long-barreled-single-shot-shotguns

A 71 1/2" barrel, then a 55" and a 48". The first barrel puts you two yards closer to the target. What is surprising is two of them are listed as 16 gauge instead of 12. I would think they all were 12s. If they go for the low estimate, they would be a bargain for what someone paid to have them done. An old shooter has gone to the great turkey shoot in the sky.

[Jay Oliver]

I have a contemporary remake of a flintlock club butt fowler and that has a 52" 16 gauge barrel. I thought that was long until I saw those guns...

[Bill Murphy]

2-2-10 loads are a Virginia thing. You may notice that any 2-2-10 shells you find are made there, and most of them are shot there.

[Jerry Harlow]

Bill,

I respectfully disagree, and I don't know why you think "2-2-10 loads are a Virginia thing" and "most of them are shot there."

Wagner has been making shells for nearly fifty-five years and I doubt Virginia alone could have kept them in business. Barrel makers are out of IN, OH, GA, NC, Va, and most assuredly in every Southern state. You tell them the shell you are shooting and they customize the barrel and choke to the shell for the densest pattern.

Go to this website and see that there are shoots everywhere and not every shoot is advertised as there are thousands not listed on the website. I called the manufacturer and she confirmed these shells go most everywhere in the U.S. The 2-2-10 is their most popular shell and you can see shoots listed for MO, PA, TN, VA, etc. using Wagner shells. But a lot of shoots use the cheapest shell they can buy at Wally World. This makes it difficult for as you know, guns shoot each shell differently.

https://www.turkeyshoot.net/Houses/houses.htm

The website I sent is based out of Ohio, and here are rules listed:

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OUTLAW 9's : OUTLAW 2-2-10's:
12 GA. *Outlaw Shotgun
Usually 36" or 48" barrel length limit, scopes allowed.
#9 Target Loads.
56' - 58' from trigger line to target.

12 GA. *Outlaw Shotguns
Usually 36" barrel length limit, scopes allowed.
2-2-10 shells (never use these shells in a choke with cutters!). 56' - 58' from trigger line to target
*Outlaw Shotguns : Modified barrels and chokes, no limits other than length!

STOCK, PLAIN or MEAT GUNS: STOCK 2-2-10's:
12 GA. **Stock Shotguns: 32" to 36" barrel length limits.
Usually limited to stock chokes
.670/.675/.680. Shells vary AA, #9, #8 & #7 1/2
Scopes may or may not be allowed.
56 to 90 feet from trigger line to target. 12 GA. **Stock Shotguns: 32- 36" barrel length limits.
Scopes may or may not be allowed.
Limited to stock chokes.
2-2-10 shells (never use these shells in a choke with cutters!).
56 to 90 feet from trigger line to target.

[Bill Murphy]

Wow, what a cache of information.

[Mike Franzen]

At my club here in Kentucky the turkey shoots are huge events drawing hundreds of shooters. A few years ago the rules were changed to eliminate the scopes and a maximum barrel length was established. I guess the slow muzzle velocities are to help maintain tight patterns. That might be a good strategy for actual turkey hunting loads with larger shot.

[Jay Oliver]

Reminds of the saying I always see with regards to muzzleloading shotguns, which usually have cylinder chokes:

Less powder, more lead, shoots far, kills dead

More powder, less lead, kicks hard, wide spread

[charlie cleveland]

i think that those low speed loads would not be usfull in any kind of hunting...i guess i m one of those fellas that likes big bore guns and plenty of powder and shot in a load.....charlie

[William Davis]

And that list only hits the high spots. Know of several in Virginia not listed. Club I belong to it’s a big social event. Family’s with all the Kids. Fire pits Hot Dogs Hamburgers. They are very strict with equipment. Use club shells & check chokes. I work it as a volunteer never shot it. Did check two of my Parker’s chokes, SBT & 30 inch VH failed as too tight.

Lobbied for unlimited class like a short 10. Turned down, reason, gamblers would ruin it. Probably right.

William

[Bill Murphy]

William, what is your minimum bore requirement?

[todd allen]

A guy I used to work with wanted to cheat a "little" at the shooting match. He knew they were using Federal paper 1 1/8 ounce 9s so he brought me some hulls and asked could I help him out. So I loaded 1 1/2 ounce of 9s into the hull, and one could not tell the difference between a new shell and his secret shell.

So when they handed him the shell, which they do one at a time so the playing field is fair, he would pocket the factory shell and slip in the "magnum." He said it sounded like a cannon going off and would almost knock him to the ground in the light gun. I doubt it took the shooting match people long to figure it out. I guess I should have cut back on the powder.

https://www.turkeyshoot.net/rules.htm

In the link above you will find the 2-2-10 shells mentioned.

Should'a loaded him some black powder. Sounds like this guy would have deserved the ridicule he would have received.

[William Davis]

Bill they have a stick in brass bore gauge can’t read more than the full mark. Not precise but both Parker’s failed the test.

William

[CraigThompson]

Bill they have a stick in brass bore gauge can’t read more than the full mark. Not precise but both Parker’s failed the test.

William

The place I visited earlier this year had two bore gauges . Open anything goes we’re .650” and no longer then 32” . In what they call “Grandpa” shoots it’s .675” fixed only and 32” . I used a Browning A-5 12 MAG 32” in both events and won in both classes . And there were some rather unique items to be seen at the open class shoot . While I don’t wanna do it every week the place we went has eleven rounds a night $5@round or $50 for the entire thing . And generally they started at 19:00 and were thru 11 rounds by 20:15 . Then we could hit a decent eatery after which was my main objective in going . Incidentally I took a VH 30” the first time along with the A-5 , the A-5 was way tighter then the VH which I always thought very tight .

[Jerry Harlow]

I went to the local club just three miles up the road and they shoot Wagners, both the skeet 1 1/4 oz 9s and the 2-2-10s. We all remember going to the local fair and there was that Thompson air powered BB gun and you had to shoot the star out to win. Even with a lot of BBs, the paper folded back and there would always be a little bit of the star left.

Same principle with the 2-2-10. Thus the mention of blowing holes, so they shoot at a fairly big red dot and if any of it is left you are out. It comes down to shoot offs until a winner is declared. They go through two to three cases a night so the Wagners will stay in business a long time. Shooters from NY, PA, etc. are traveling down here for the shoots according to the president of the club. They have a 37" limit on barrels, but nothing on chokes. No Led Sleds allowed, but bipods and sand bags are allowed here.

[Jerry Harlow]

I went to the "shooting match" as they are now called. I saw some vintage shotguns that had been modified; there was a Remington 31, several 870s, a couple of model 12s, a Montgomery Wards pump, but most were built on the Savage 210 or 212 slug guns. I thought you may be interested in these custom "shotguns."

Of the four targets pictured, only one cut out the little red dot. It is more difficult than one would think with two ounces of shot. The dot is not very big, but if only a little piece is left, the target is eliminated. This week 2-2-10s, next week 1 1/4 9s. Different guns with different chokes next week.

[Garry L Gordon]

This seems like drag racing for shotguns! Those are some "tricked-out" guns.

[William Davis]

Here’s a long two part video on making chokes for Turkey shoot guns. Funny the machinist says he’s showing methods not revealing any constriction secrets. Very secretive shooters.

https://youtu.be/msADp9OSSg4

Not like any chokes we see. End of video 2 @ 30 minutes shows the finished gun and choke set up..

William