Engraved setters

[legh higgins]

calling all parker engraved setters. I would like to make a photo book of this memberships setter specific engraved guns. I will use the best photo /image in future advertising our line of setters. yes there will be prizes.

The Grand Prize is a Saturday afternoon and next morning hunt over the weekend in October with Lodging included. The Garage Mahal is an upstairs apartment with kitchen stove fridge full bath and 2 bedrooms with large living room and gas fireplace. meals not included but many fantastic eateries within 1/2 hour to Stowe or Newport.:bigbye:

[Rick Losey]

only Parkers??

[Jim Thoma]

Ithaca’s qualify

[Tom Jay]

Here's my setter

[Dean Romig]

Legh, I have always admired Joseph Loy's dogs.

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[Dean Romig]

But the Parker setters are hard to beat.

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[Jay Gardner]

LC Smith Grade 5

https://i.imgur.com/guXP2kH.jpg

[Mark Ray]

Does this count?? LOL

[legh higgins]

now were getting somewhere, a close up square on is best, entries still open. any c grade dual setters out there?
grand prize is a guided Grouse hunt in Vermont's North East Kingdom with English setters descendant's of Corey fords dogs.:bigbye:

[Kirk Potter]

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[Ed Norman]

This is a baker "C" grade that I am trying to purchase. I do not own it yet, but your welcome to this picture. I am pretty sure there is a setter on the other side too. Will have to check.

[Ken Descovich]

Here is my L.C. Smith grade 5 that was engraved by Glahn, the gun was for Milton Lindsley.
Ken

[Russ Jackson]

Here is one of my My Setters engraved on a 240,000 Era Serial # CHE 20 , and What she is Pointing !

[Brett Hoop]

Russ
That's a showstopper! Barrel wedges also! Do you believe/know this to be Runge?

[Russ Jackson]

Yes all the " Professional Parker Collectors " who have seen this gun in person believes this to be Runge Engraved ! Thank You for the Nice Compliment ! It has a very different style of Checkering but has the correct stamping and serial# under the Trigger Guard ! Pretty unique gun !

[Dean Romig]

....and it's my favorite ever CHE 20.





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[Brett Hoop]

Russ

Not trying to side track the tread. I think that's maybe the best Setter I have seen from Mr Runge. I have seen a wonderfully well done upgrade that the same Mr Runge signed, but it, as I recall had no dogs. Wonderful example, thanks for sharing.

[Russ Jackson]

Thank You Brett , if you are interested you are welcome to go to my Home Page on our Forum by clicking on my Name and take a look at the album of my BHE 410 Upgrade which was a Runge /DelGrego Upgrade and signed by Robert Runge on the bottom of the receiver !

[Tom Jay]

Who would have engraved the dogs on my 1887 Parker top lever in the first photo?

[Larry Frey]

now were getting somewhere, a close up square on is best, entries still open. any c grade dual setters out there?


Legh,
These are singles from a C grade. I believe my B has dual setters but will have to look tonight.

[Greg Baehman]

Setter from a Parker Reproduction DHE

[Jim Thoma]

Ithaca 4E 20 gauge

[Mark Ray]

bottom and side of my 3 dog DH, side of grade 3 Ithaca Flues,

[Larry Frey]

This batch has a B, C, and two D's.

[Corey Barrette]

My 1907 AAHE 12

[Mark Ray]

bottom and side of my 3 dog DH, side of grade 3 Ithaca Flues,

I think it is interesting that the engraver on the parker obviously had the same dog in mind, and chose to SLIGHTLY change scenery, and change the pups position.
The Ithaca is a pretty scarce bird, a grade 3, 12 bore flues cannon breach waterfowl gun, straight stocked in Really nice Circassian, on a 10 gauge frame with factory 3” chambers.

[Dean Romig]

A fabulous Parker Corey!





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[Brett Hoop]

I guess I have really gone to the dogs. Enjoy seeing all of them!
I wonder how much time the in house engravers would have been allotted for each grade? Has anything been recorded, or reported on that aspect?

[Dean Romig]

Not that we know of Brett.





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[Craig Larter]

Here is my 12ga #3 frame setter.

[Phillip Carr]

Remington DEO

[Reggie Bishop]

Here is a single. I have a pair of Setters that I will get up ASAP.


https://i.imgur.com/1yFEwVp.jpg

[Dean Romig]

Hmmm... a setter on the left - That’s very unusual.

Looks like it was engraved by the same hand that did Craig’s, Larry’s and one of the ones I posted.
Very nice!





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[Reggie Bishop]

Thanks Dean. This gun has lots of abnormalities!

[Shawn Wayment]

Some day I’ll have a Parker with a setter!

[Reggie Bishop]

Those Ithacas do a pretty good job representing Shawn!

[Corey Barrette]

In addition to the two setters and duck, this gun’s got a pair of pointers, a quail, three foxes and a dove. Feeding is costing me a fortune.

[Reggie Bishop]

Here are the Setter pairs-

https://i.imgur.com/dj2tJ9M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DFqybvn.jpg

[legh higgins]

WE will accept 50 more entries (photos) for the Guided grouse hunt in Vermont's North east Kingdom.:bigbye:

[Phillip Carr]

Model 21

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/56389_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/56389_600x400/)

[Phillip Carr]

LC Smith


http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/56390_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/56390_600x400/)

[Phillip Carr]

Parker DH 28 ga.

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/56391_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/56391_600x400/)

Reposting after cleaning especially the screw slots full of old grime.


http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/56408_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/56408_600x400/)

http://www.jpgbox.com/jpg/56409_600x400.jpg (http://www.jpgbox.com/page/56409_600x400/)

[charlie cleveland]

all nice guns thanks fellas....charlie

[Bob Hayes]

20ga CHE two barrel set

[Matt Lee]

Personally, I prefer the other side with the Pointer:) I just received this DH 12 gauage last night.

[MARK KIRCHER]

Here are a couple from Henry (Harry) Gough (the Elder)-
Bottom of 1893 CH grade Columbian Expo gun - 12 ga 30 inch 2 frame PG Splinter I/M/F? Bernard barrels
Side of 1890 AH grade CEP gun -12 ga 30 inch 2 frame PG DT splinter F/F

[James J. Roberts]

Thanks guys for sharing the pictures of your engraved gun alway enjoy seeing the older engravings,my favorite was Phil's Remington with the engraved setter by Joseph Loy. J.J.

[Dave Noreen]

From an early "banner style" C-Grade Ansley H. Fox --

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From a No. 55 Tobin --

70437

Not much in the way of a "high tail" on these vintage Setters. The older Skitso has gotten the lower her tail has become.

[James Brown]

Crown grade Smith

[legh higgins]

Crown grade Smithif that's a 410 you are a very lucky guy.

[Rick Losey]

the setters from a three dog very early DH - I especially like the looking back pose of the floorplate dog - also shown is the right side setter from that gun

and third - since no one has shown one - a German deep scene engraving on a JP Sauer & Sohn

[Dean Romig]

Love that floor plate setter!





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[Ken Snyder]

It's important to include Lefever in any conversation regarding engraved setters. First is an early BE 16ga, second is a VERY Special - Special Order.
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[Dean Romig]

Good to see another Loy aficionado.





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[Mark Ray]

You can often tell Loy dogs by the circular shoulder joint. My grade 3 Ithaca is a Loy gun.

[Bill Holcombe]

the setters from a three dog very early DH - I especially like the looking back pose of the floorplate dog - also shown is the left side setter from that gun

and third - since no one has shown one - a German deep scene engraving on a JP Sauer & Sohn

Rick, you really need to just let me keep that 3 dog with the rest of my kennel.

[Bill Holcombe]

Parker DH 1917 http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=853&pictureid=10751

Parker DH 1889
http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=713&pictureid=8335
http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=713&pictureid=8333

1899 3 dog
And 1888 3 dog attached

[David Noble]

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=561&pictureid=6449CHE.
http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=561&pictureid=6449

[Dean Romig]

There’s a lot of members vying for that Vermont grouse hunt. I hope it turns out to be a good year for grouse! But more than once those enigmatic flights of woodcock have saved the day.
Oh to be a fly on the wall at the “Garaj Mahal” :cool:





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[Greg Baehman]

Parker DH 1917 http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=853&pictureid=10751

I realize that you've identified this as a DH, but doesn't it appear to have a CH style of engraving pattern?

[Bill Holcombe]

You are correct. Too many links posting.

[Bill Holcombe]

In interest of accuracy here is the DH

[Mark Ray]

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Kirk, astounding how similar your dogs are to my 3 dog dh on page 3.

What serial number is your gun?

[Bill Holcombe]

Kirk, astounding how similar your dogs are to my 3 dog dh on page 3.

What serial number is your gun?

Its 60068.

[Mark Ray]

Its 60068.

Mine is 58484...both very early dh's

[Jay Gardner]

Serial # 82242

https://i.imgur.com/KtWXrvZl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/jAAJYB5l.jpg

[Bill Holcombe]

Mine is 58484...both very early dh's

2 of the ones I posted that are similar are 58807 and 58968. Most 3 dogs show up between mid 57ks and 60k serials. Then you have my 1899 gun I posted that is 91084, which while a 3 dog has the later style scroll work for a DH.

[Greg Baehman]

The 1st pic is from a 1911 DH 12ga. and the 2nd is from a 1986 DHE 28ga.

[Ian Byrkit]

Here you go.

[Dean Romig]

That is the first Parker I have ever seen where the setters are depicted with ticking! Wow!

Are they blue beltons or orange beltons... or perhaps one of each... or maybe tri-color beltons?

Absolutely outstanding!



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[Tom Hawkins]

This is a picture of the setter on the floor plate of a 14 gauge DH in the serial range close to the others. This gun is on a 1 frame and is a nice shooter. It swings nice and has nice wood. The serial number is 57793.

[Mark Ray]

That is the first Parker I have ever seen where the setters are depicted with ticking! Wow!

Are they blue beltons or orange beltons... or perhaps one of each... or maybe tri-color beltons?

Absolutely outstanding!



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That is cool as all get out!

[Mark Ray]

This is a picture of the setter on the floor plate of a 14 gauge DH in the serial range close to the others. This gun is on a 1 frame and is a nice shooter. It swings nice and has nice wood. The serial number is 57793.

Super early hammerless gun......VERY nice! My DH is a 1 frame 12, as well, great feeling gun, but choked over the top tight.

[Randy G Roberts]

Parker BHE
LC Smith Crown 20
Winchester 21-20
LC Smith Crown 12

[Ian Byrkit]

Mixed bag and a pair

[Will Gurton]

Another Remington!

[James J. Roberts]

Will,I like that Model 11 Remington with the beautiful engraving by Joseph Loy,thanks for sharing.:cool: J.J.

[legh higgins]

any ideas on the engraver?

[legh higgins]

Here you go.
who did this engraving?

[Patrick Lien]

I like these dogs.

PML

[Randy G Roberts]

At the request of the OP, Mr. Higgins I am going to post another pic of the previously posted BHE. Seems I may be in need of some better camera equipment. My digital camera cant be much over 20 years old. I like the birds on this one as well...

[Larry Stauch]

DHE 30" 16 gauge

[Ken Descovich]

Here is a Ithaca NIG grade D

[Dean Romig]

This pair on a Baker Paragon.


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[Tom Jay]

Who would have engraved dogs on Grade 3 top levers around 1886/1887? Is that recorded anywhere or known to anybody?

[Dean Romig]

Do you have The Parker Story ?

Engraving contractors and chief or head engravers are listed there. If you don't have TPS I can look it up tomorrow sometime.





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[Tom Jay]

Dean, I do not have a copy of TPS. Your look up would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Dean Romig]

According to pg. 478 of TPS, William E. Avery headed Parker Brothers engraving fron 1877 to 1887 but there is no entry for any other individual as being a Parker Brothers engraving contractor during this period.

I think we must assume there were others though, as no one man could have engraved the many thousands of guns produced during this ten year prriod...





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[Tom Jay]

Thank you Dean. Insightful information. It would be interesting to see side by side comparisons of the dog engravings during this 10 year period to see if there’s a pattern/style to identify if there was one or multiple engravers doing just the dogs.

[Dean Romig]

Generally speaking (again) the game scenes (dogs, birds, stags, etc.) were done by the head or chief engraver while the scroll was done by the journeymen engravers.





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[Tom Kidd]

70806I never had a guided grouse hunt so here are two for consideration. They are found on a pre-war Kornbrath engraved Model 21 that was custom made for John Brewster who built bodies for Springfield Rolls Royce. It is a 5lb 11oz 20ga that shoots as good as it looks. It was previously Russ Bickel's gun

[Tom Jay]

That’s some heavy engraving.

[Dave Noreen]

Those Kornbrath dogs sure beat the hell out of those Kusmit cartoon dogs often seen on overprice Model 21s.

[Dean Romig]

Russ Bickel was surely our friend.





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[Tom Kidd]

I met Russ when he opened a small gunshop on Rt 61 outside of Reading, Pa. with Mr. Banser. They had recently graduated from a Gunsmithing school in the Pittsburg area and one of his school projects was converting a Sterlingworth to a 45/70 double rifle. I stopped in and mentioned I liked Fox Guns and that led to a visit the next afternoon. That resulted in a friendship that lasted thru some 120 Ohio Gun Collector Shows and many other adventures over the years. He called me his mentor, and I was privileged to have had him as a friend. He left us way too soon. I also have his 16 bore Purdey Funeral Grade along with other personal items and they are all cherished by me.

[Dean Romig]

I will be forever in awe of his skill and precision. Russ did a couple of Parker jobs for me and the finished product was at least as precisely perfect as the work of the Meriden artisans.





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[Tom Kidd]

I would like to apologize for not properly reading the rules of the game; 'calling all Parker engraved setters'. So let's just enjoy an outstanding set of engraved dogs while remembering our friend Russ Bickel.

[Rick Losey]

I would like to apologize for not properly reading the rules of the game; 'calling all Parker engraved setters'. So let's just enjoy an outstanding set of engraved dogs while remembering our friend Russ Bickel.

RULES????

we got rules????


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[Dean Romig]

No apologies necessary. Finely engraved setters eclipse all brands.





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[Eric Eis]

I would like to apologize for not properly reading the rules of the game; 'calling all Parker engraved setters'. So let's just enjoy an outstanding set of engraved dogs while remembering our friend Russ Bickel.

I don't care if there were rules, the engraving on that M21 is outstanding and thank you for sharing it with us. I do miss Russ.

[legh higgins]

the lower 40 club had only one rule. No Rules...

[Bill Bates]

A couple of setter

https://a4.pbase.com/o4/10/209910/1/122466373.zlvulyA1.LeFeverSxS103_03_10.jpg

Here is a setter or at least I think it is setter by engraver Orville Kuhl on an customized 16 gauge VHE


https://a4.pbase.com/o6/10/209910/1/92115572.Zw0IUFri.Parker10.jpg

he did better on the pointer on the right side

https://a4.pbase.com/o6/10/209910/1/92115570.oDGuPBck.Parker9.jpg

[Mark Ray]

I just knew someone was going to try and sneak a Pointer in here!

[legh higgins]

I just knew someone was going to try and sneak a Pointer in here!that's ok it will keep the ticks off the setters!

[legh higgins]

last chance to enter your engraved setters for the Grouse hunting trip over Twombly setters in October.:bigbye:

[Charles Waltman]

My name is Chuck Waltman, I am PGCA member . I want to contribute

a pic of engraved setter, enjoying your post, hope you can use

this image....Thank you, Chuck

[Dean Romig]

Nothing there Chuck. Please try again.





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[legh higgins]

we will announce the winner of the Vermont Grouse hunt tonight Friday 3/22/19 at 6:00 pm.
Winner must bring winning gun to Vermont for photo shoot and Hunting story to be printed in parker pages winter edition.

Thank you all for participating. Legh Higgins Twombly Setters :bigbye:

[legh higgins]

The Winner of the Vermont Guided Grouse hunt in October 2019 is
Phil Carr with his 1916 dh 28 gauge engraved during the Frederic W. Anschutz
Chief engraver period.

We loved the dogs athletic stance locked up on point. With his high head and excellent feather, reminiscent of my grandads dogs.

Congrats to Phil we cant wait to see his gun in person. Our plan is to photograph "the Gun" and take photos of our hunt in the peak of foliage season. for a winter Parker Pages article.

thanks to all who entered photos it was fun.


Legh Higgins bigbye:


(hopefully Dean will upload the winning image for me)

[Dean Romig]

Phil Carr's DH 28 gauge.


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[Bob Hayes]

Congrats Phil

[Jim DiSpagno]

Way to go Phil. Great gun and great hunt you’re going on. Just remember to get Patriot tickets. LOOl

[Phillip Carr]

Wow I’m so excited. Just got home and read this great news. Thank you so much Mr Higgins for providing this contest and providing such a wonderful hunt.
I’m honored and thrilled to be able to bring my DH 28 out to hunt with you and your dogs this fall.
They’re was so many wonderful pictures posted I am humbled to have the Setter on my Parker selected.
Thank you and Best Regards.
Phil

[Randy G Roberts]

Congrats Phil, a very worthy Setter for certain. Also thank you to Mr. Higgins for making this happen. A very generous gesture indeed and a story I am looking forward to reading in the PP. Thanks again and have a great hunt.

[Dean Romig]

Congratulations Phil!

I’m really glad your gun won and I know you’re going to love those Northeast Kingdom covers... you have brush pants, long sleeves and pigskin gloves, right?

Thanks Legh for providing this great thread that was a lot of fun, allowed so many of us to show off our Parkers and gave us all a real treat to see the great engraving on so many nice guns.





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[Phillip Carr]

Dean I have read how tuff some of the cover is and will be doing some more research. The pants and boots I have covered. Everything sticks and pokes in Arizona. Long sleeve shirts... what’s that ? LOL.

[Mark Ray]

Great choice! Thanks again for this fun thread!

[legh higgins]

that's ok it will keep the ticks off the setters!lord I should not have said that.:bigbye:

[Dean Romig]

Dean I have read how tuff some of the cover is and will be doing some more research. The pants and boots I have covered. Everything sticks and pokes in Arizona. Long sleeve shirts... what’s that ? LOL.


I may have told this before so forgive me in advance for repeating myself.

A while back when I showed up at work after a few days chasing grouse in Vermont’s NEK with my arms about shredded from briars, thornapple, hawthorn and such and the guys asked “What the blank happened to you?” I told them we have this game at grouse camp to see who can hold the cat underwater in the rain barrel the longest. I told them “The cat always seems to win.”

But that’s why the long sleeves.





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[Rick Losey]

Great choice

Congrats Phil

[chris dawe]

Congratulations Phil !!!...you'll have no worries about hunting there -you chased me around up here for a day and got your first ruff, if you did that the hard woods will be a breeze !

[Jay Gardner]

Wow, Phil. That’s a beautiful example of Parker engraving. Congratulations.

[Dean Romig]

Congratulations Phil !!!...you'll have no worries about hunting there -you chased me around up here for a day and got your first ruff, if you did that the hard woods will be a breeze !


"Hard woods"? :rotf::biglaugh::rotf:






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[chris dawe]

Very little deciduous in NL...mostly stunted conifer

[Mark Ray]

This thread is awesome, and many congrats to the winner, what a setter!


I know the competition is over, but this afternoon I just noticed the only Parker engraving of a Setter retrieving on my guns! And a duck at that!! Very early $125 grade lifter short 10. The engraving is on the trigger bow. Awful photography I know, time and resources were limited today!

[Phillip Carr]

Did Chris mention Bog holes??? One minute I’m looking at the back of Chris’s bird vest the next minute at his boots.

[legh higgins]

we have bog holes the size of texas...

[chris dawe]

we have bog holes the size of texas...

Well,that would be big enough to fall in for sure !

[Dean Romig]

Those are grown over cellar holes of the first settlers, but they are amazingly huge when you think you’re kicking through a blackberry patch and you disappear into one.





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[chris dawe]

i've always wanted to hunt an old homestead like that ,must be like finding treasure ....nothing like that up here

[Rick Losey]

Those are grown over cellar holes of the first settlers, but they are amazingly huge when you think you’re kicking through a blackberry patch and you disappear into one.

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Old Hemlock Osthaus had a knack for finding the cellar hole with the most accumulation of decades of decaying muck in it - and the amount he got on him was inversely proportional to the distance to running water to clean him off in

:rolleyes:

[Chris Robenalt]

Congratulations Phil! I noticed the fine engraving when you let me shoot this during one of our Eurasion hunts. All your setters are beautiful, I know them well!

[Phillip Carr]

Thanks Chris. I am really looking forward to hunting grouse as the trees are starting to change color this fall.
I had forgotten that I had brought this Parker up to shoot dove with you.
Hopefully we can get together real soon before it gets too hot and have a sub gauge Parker dove shoot.
I love these Eurasian hunts as it allows me a chance to bring 5 or 6 shotguns to shoot that might not get used very much during the year otherwise.