When did this design change happen

[Patrick Lien]

I am curious when this design change to the top lever spring was made. Picture #1 is from 111,000 and picture #2 is from 208,000.

thanks
Patrick

[Dave Suponski]

Pat, The new coil top lever spring was put into use in 1918 and it was first used in #2 frame Trojan grade gun's. Gradually being phased into all other grades and frame sizes. Right around serial number 176xxx if I remember right.

[Patrick Lien]

Thanks Dave

[Bill Murphy]

Patrick, guys like me can't understand anything we are looking at in the pictures because the parts in one picture aren't included in the other. Congratulations on getting answers to your inquiries, but I sometimes suspect that answers to questions with incomplete information are also "incomplete answers". I personally don't understand much of what I see. As always, I appreciate the effort.

[Dave Suponski]

Bill, I believe Pat was asking when the change from leaf spring top lever to coil spring top lever was instituted by Parker Bros. The gun pictured at the top is a double trigger gun while the bottom picture is a single trigger gun. I hope this helps to clarify things....:)

[Patrick Lien]

Patrick, guys like me can't understand anything we are looking at in the pictures because the parts in one picture aren't included in the other. Congratulations on getting answers to your inquiries, but I sometimes suspect that answers to questions with incomplete information are also "incomplete answers". I personally don't understand much of what I see. As always, I appreciate the effort.

Bill,
I should have remembered that you have never taken a gun apart and would be confused as to what a top lever spring is...........:confused: Please call Suponski and have him explain it to you.

Patrick :bigbye:

[Jim Akins]

One thing I would like to observe; the changes on the lower gun did not not happen together. I have seen guns with with either the coil spring and the original lever arrangement or the v spring and the one piece lever. It has been years and I can't remember which.

Jim A.

[Patrick Lien]

One thing I would like to observe; the changes on the lower gun did not not happen together. I have seen guns with with either the coil spring and the original lever arrangement or the v spring and the one piece lever. It has been years and I can't remember which.

Jim A.

Jim,
That sent me back to check a gun in between the first two. This is from 157,000 gun and is again different from the first two.

thanks
Patrick

[Dave Suponski]

Very interesting Pat. A leaf spring and short top lever. I would love to see how that mechanism works. Thank's for posing the picture's.

By the way Pat...Is that single trigger a Miller?

[Patrick Lien]

By the way Pat...Is that single trigger a Miller?

Dave,

Good eye, the second picture in my original post is a gun with a Miller trigger.

Patrick

[Bill Murphy]

Patrick, you got me on that one. I only take a Parker apart under severe duress.