NY Times Article about hunting.

[Jay Gardner]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/dining/game-hunting-food.html?module=inline

[Mills Morrison]

Very interesting.

[todd allen]

That is a very good article! Thanks for sharing.

[Richard Flanders]

Good article. Sauteed goose head doesn't have much appeal though! Hey, if he can make any part of a goose edible, I'm all for him and want to be his understudy! The grey jays and ravens still aren't doing much damage to the one on my raven feeder board here.

[Dean Romig]

It was a good article and I applaud those millenials who immerse themselves in traditional hunting and it's traditional values. What I don't like is a mindset that says.

"It’s not just the blue blood upland hunters or rednecks with mudders and dogs. It’s us.”

It just sounds so divisive.





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[Stephen Hodges]

Thanks for sharing Jay, very good, positive article on the sport we all love.

[Jay Gardner]

It's basically one of the same points we (hunters) have been making for a long time: we respect the game, we kill humanly, we process ourselves (some more than others) and we prepare it. Now, in terms of turning it into fancy recipes, well...that a work in progress.

Steve Rinella, mentioned in the article is worth following. His podcast is "real world" and his philosophy is pragmatic and well grounded. He is also the real deal, not a poser. His book, American Buffalo, In Search of a Lost Icon is a compelling read for history and adventure.

https://www.amazon.com/American-Buffalo-Search-Lost-Icon/dp/0385521693

Jay

[Dean Romig]

I’ve watched every episode of Steve’s “Meat Eater” and find it very refreshing - and there are no commercials. He’s definitely the real deal!





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[John Dallas]

Jay - Good read. I think the author mischaracterized goose as the "Ribeye of the Sky" That is reserved for Sand Hill Cranes. As I read the article, it gave the impression that he was cooking the wild game they shot for the restaurant, which we all know is verboten.

When I hunted mule deer in Alberta, we had contact with a guide who had been invited into a Hutterite community wedding. The Hutterites are very conservative communist farmers. At the wedding, goose head stew was on the menu. URP!

[Russell E. Cleary]

It's nice to see young people discovering America.

[Patrick Lien]

I enjoyed that! Thank you for the link. Wild Goose Barbacoa Taco's are now on my foodie list of things I must try.

PML

[Garry L Gordon]

Interesting! Before I retired, I developed and taught an interdisciplinary course on "Hunting in America." It became a part of wide choice of courses that satisfied a University requirement, so the class was always filled with students who hunted, did not hunt, and a few who were anti-hunting.

Man, did I learn a great deal from teaching that course for several years, much of what I learned frightened me for the future of hunting. Some takeaways from teaching the course that are salient to this thread (by the way, we read Rinella's American Buffalo among other readings, and I communicated with Rinella in selecting his book and developing the course):

- If we want to perpetuate hunting, make sure women -- specifically moms -- are recruited into the ranks. So many students could not hunt or have guns in their homes because "Mom" would not permit it. The young women in the course were there significantly because they wanted more control over the origins and quality of the food they ate. If Mom is a hunter, kids will very likely hunt or have a good opinion of it.

- Understand that the word "trophy" has very (very!) bad connotations for non-hunters. They believe that a trophy hunter just cuts off the head and leaves the rest. Scary, but true. Also, they don't know the difference between the Conservation Dept. and the Humane Society of the U.S.

- We all need to work to understand the origin of the concept of "sport" hunting. This concept developed early in American history as leading figures (writers like Frank Forester) began to distinguish between market and subsistence hunting and hunting with ethical rules (like other sports) to be followed. It had nothing to do with viewing killing as a game, but rather was about rules of conduct and ethical behavior.

- Be a good ambassador for hunting and take a non-hunter (preferably a young person) on a hunt. We had a "hunting requirement" in the class. No, students did not have to use a gun (although many wanted to shoot, having never even held a firearm before) or kill anything, and many things qualified as hunting, including students following my dogs and me around on a local WMA, or, after reading Aldo Leopold's writings on the woodcock "Sky Dance," accompanying me to see and hear woodcock on their penning grounds. We also helped the local Conservation Dept. personnel with their fall quail counts. It was an eye opening experience for students -- literally and figuratively -- to get out into the fields in the dark before sunrise to hear covey calls.

- Understand that everyone is watching you as a representative of hunting. How you act matters.

[Dean Romig]

Hi Once again Garry, you have very eloquently presented the case for hunting and ethics, and for teaching those things, that we all need to espouse if we are to pass these passions and traditions on to future generations.





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[Mills Morrison]

Well said Garry.

The good news is I hear women are the fastest growing segment of the shooting sports crowd. I have observed that to be the case as well

[Garry L Gordon]

Mills, I also see the growth in women hunters and shooters, too, and I hope it bodes well for the future of our sports. I have no children, but I worry for younger folks, like your son, if so much of the future voting populace has moved too far away from all of our roots (and rest assured, as I'm sure you know, we all have roots in both hunting and guns).

It's why seeing your family hunting/outing pictures is so encouraging to me.

[Mills Morrison]

Thank you Garry.

[Mills Morrison]

When I was growing up, the men hunted and the women (for the most part) complained, griped and made fun of the men for hunting. That has changed much for the better. Now, a lot more women hunt and even the ones who don't seem to be more accepting of it. The dove hunt we go to every year is truly a family affair

[Garry L Gordon]

My Mom would most times go with my Dad, more often than not, after squirrels. When I got married, Elaine would go with me on occasion. When I got bird dogs, she decided she would go along every time they did so that she could look out for them (yea, I think she likes the dogs better than she does me, but, hey, I get the world's greatest "kennel boy" to go with me). I like to tell folks that when we go hunting (Elaine does not shoot) I am always the best shot out there(...and the worst...). Elaine is the best hunting buddy I have ever had.

[Joe Graziano]

Great article. The times are a changing and we must change with them. If millennials hunt for different reasons than we do, that's ok. The important thing is, they go hunt. My wife does not hunt but is very much of the same mind in terms of controlling your food source and processing things yourself. She comes to a pro-hunting position sort of from the left, and that is just fine. I love to hunt and she is happy when I come home with birds for dinner. Speaking of, I have chukkars and pheasant to process tonight. This is a good development.