Mystery ringing inside Stock head

[Brent Lacy]

I just purchased my first Parker Trojan at Cabelas today.:)It is a 16bore on a #1 frame-Dbl Triggers, a 1929 gun. She's tired but sound. BBls are sound and ring true. She does have a poorly done brass pin in the head of the stock about 1/4"behind and down from the top and rear of the reciever. When I trip the front trigger, I hear a ringing and feel vibration in that crappy brass Pin. Do you think it's the top of the hammer hitting the pin? No worries on the back trigger and no vibration in the pin either.I tried two sets of snap caps thinking it might be one or both of them , but it does it only on the front trigger. I will be restoring the metal first and then re-wooding, so it is relatively moot but I am still curious anyway. What do y'all think?

[Bill Murphy]

Ringing is common in shotguns. The jury is still out on the cause. I found the source of the ring on one gun by taping the top lever. It was the lever. Your results may vary.

[charlie cleveland]

the gun may be haunted by one of the previos owners....good luck with the gun.. charlie

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Brent if you hear that ringing in the middle of the night, get the gun out of the house! It's probably the previous owner handleling his prize parker. that thing might be like that Plymouth automobile, Christen I believe was it's name. Gary

[Jerry Andrews]

I'd sell it right away to someone on this board, in fact, most hauntings are caused by an exchange of money so you might want to give it away.
I'm a stockmaker, and in all honesty, your pin is in there because your stock is internally cracked. It should have been glued inside, maybe an hour glass plug inlaid or a wafer wedge of steel used but not a pin through the side. They might as well used a stove bolt and nut! Jerry

[calvin humburg]

Thats funny!

[Brent Lacy]

Sheesh! You guys belong on Comedy Central.:rotf:Thanks for all the help!:rolleyes:

I think it might be a broken hammer spring. They are coil and captive, right?

[Dave Suponski]

Brent, I have never seen a broken hammer spring on a hammerless Parker.

[Brent Lacy]

Gee whizz,Dave, I really didn't expect an answer like that from a life member of the PGCA.

Just forget I asked, thank you.

[Dean Romig]

Brent, here's a thought... why not just send the gun to DelGrego or Bachelder's any of a dozen or so well-known and respected Parker experts and end all the guesswork. Heck, it could be any of a half-dozen issues that cause that ringing you describe.

[Bill Murphy]

Yeah, let's try to find a gunsmith who can hear. I thought the ring would go away in my old VH. I was right. It took a few years, but the ring is gone.

[Brent Lacy]

I guess your right,Dean. I was only trying to see if anyone else had the same problem and perhaps could offer an answer or solution.

I'm glad I could find a Parker gun that I could afford. I am in the process of collecting a shooting battery of American doubles in 16 bore. They are not the high grades by any means, but they are representative of an era I would have loved to have lived in.

I'll ask these types of questions to qualified gunsmiths in future and won't take up anyone elses time with my ramblings. Thanks for your answers.

[Erick Dorr]

Brent,
I have a handful of Parker beaters and haven't experienced the ringing you describe. I've handled many many more but don't often try snap caps unless I am serious about buying.
Bill Murhpy seemed earnest in his suggestion to check the top lever.
Comedians need a stage and the internet is free standup.
I've received much good advice here and have learned alot. Sometimes the most knowledgable and serious will send you a PM that is helpful. Sorry I don't have insight into the problem.
Have you checked the technical data on the home page to look at the parts list and at the hammerless diagram? The diagram might help you with ideas on the cause of the problem I've never had anything go so drastically wrong that I dared take a hammerless apart. The bravest I've gotten is to take the locks off a hammer gun. I do have a Trojan project that needs disassembly to fix a cracked stock properly but if I chicken out I can always use a stove bolt.
Give more than you have received and let us know what the problem is when you isolate the sound. Good luck

Erick

[Jerry Andrews]

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be comical. I think it happened from birth with my ear size. My ears at birth were the same size they are now. Mom almost had to have a C-section over it.
Back to your Parker. I am a qualified gunsmith, have been working on guns since 1974. I'm guessing your problem does not have anything to do with the brass pin, but probably does have something to do with top lever. The brass pin, if I'm picturing this correctly, is simply imbedded in the wood. I can't imagine how that would make any ringing noise. And if one hammer was hitting the pin, unless the pin is put in cocked, they should both hit. Try holding on to the top lever while you dry fire the gun. In fact, hold various parts of the frame while dry firing the gun. It could also be the sear once disengaged. It really could be a few different things.
And I'm not an advocate of stove bolts, except on stoves, or brass pins, except on brass beds. Jake

[Dave Suponski]

Brent, I was not trying to be sarcastic at all. I was just trying to be helpful. You made the statement that you thought it might be a broken hammer spring(Main Spring) and I commented that I never seen that happen on a hammerless gun. I have seen broken main springs on hammerguns though. I have a few Parkers that ring when dry fired and I attribute that to vibration that is sent through the action caused by the hammers falling on an empty gun. Parker mainsprings are very strong and this type vibration is indicative of that.

If I offended you I apologize....

[Dave Purnell]

Brent, I had a GH 12ga Damascus that rang like a church bell when shot. It was an old gun and well used, but probably had not been shot for a long time. The ring was in the top lever, like Bill Murphy's gun, but it went away after it loosened up with use.

Dave

[Bill Murphy]

Brent, I will differ with your opinion about gunsmiths. I feel you will get more information here than you will get with a gunsmith. Many gunsmiths have very little experience in the field with the guns they work on. My suggestion is to tape any part you suspect is ringing, top lever first. Sorry you feel you got no help here.

[Chuck Bishop]

Brent,

Have you thought about taking the stock off of the receiver, reassembling the receiver, and testing to see if you still hear/feel the vibration? You'll have much of the inards exposed for evaluation.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Brent, I did not mean any harm just a little laugh, a smile and a laugh that's all Hope you get the ringing in your gun resolved. Gary

[calvin humburg]

Brent, Stick around glad to have you. Some of the stuff you have to take with a grain of salt. Mumble a few words under your breath and go on to the next reply. Theres a lot of help here believe me they helped me tare apart my lifter and will probably help me put it back together. I wouldn't send my gun in the mail unless it was very nessary i'll post a picture of the pvc pipe I sent my barrels to craig in one of these days. good day ch

[Brent Lacy]

Thanks for the answers and replies. I will say this about my reaction to the initial comments: maybe I was just having a bad day and was overly sensitive. Enough said.

It may well be the top lever, the sear, or any one of a dozen sources.This gun is solid, and will make a decent short range gun for hunting with dogs. I will put some $ into fixing her metal and "elbow grease" into the stock checkering and finish- possibly even re-wooding her. She will be a labor of love.

I will let you know how she responds once I can post pics of her.

[Jeff Hartin]

I have the same thing in a GHE, louder with right barrel. This gun was cleaned up by DelGrecco years and years ago and seen little use since then. It is not the toplever. It does sound like it could be a spring.

[Frank Srebro]

Some time ago I had a 12-gauge/32 inch VH or VHE, I don't remember which, on the 1-1/2 frame and the barrels had a high pitch vibration I could feel when fired. I normally hold my left hand partially on the barrels ahead of the forend while shooting clays and it was very distinct and initially annoying but I got used to it. The feel varied a bit depending on the load weight/velocity I was shooting. I attributed it to a harmonic. At the same time I had a 32 inch VH 12-gauge on the 2 frame with heavier barrels and it reacted normally when fired with the same variety of loads, no vibration felt when firing either barrel.