10 Ga. filler wad

[Daniel Carter]

Does any one have a source of non- fiber 16 ga. wads? The fiber wads i have been using give a confetti celebration with every shot which is ok until the breeze is in your face then my friends get it in their eyes and get crabby. Many years ago loading paper shells a card wad then a felt filler was used and i can't seem to find anything other than the fiber now. Any help greatly appreciated. Need felt wads or new friends!

[Jim McKee]

Question 10 bore or 16 bore?
Jim

[Rick Losey]

Question 10 bore or 16 bore?
Jim

he does mean 16 - it goes inside the 10 plastic wad to fill up space so a 1 1/8 load crimps correctly

[Daniel Carter]

Filler in the shot cup for the short 10, thank you mr. Losey i was not clear.

[Victor Wasylyna]

I have not tried them in a short ten load, but over-powder wads are much denser than fiber wads, so they may reduce/eliminate the confetti effect.

-Victor

[Bill Jolliff]

Does any one have a source of non- fiber 16 ga. wads? The fiber wads i have been using give a confetti celebration with every shot which is ok until the breeze is in your face then my friends get it in their eyes and get crabby. Many years ago loading paper shells a card wad then a felt filler was used and i can't seem to find anything other than the fiber now. Any help greatly appreciated. Need felt wads or new friends!

You might want to send a note to Craig Smith who operates Circle Fly Wads in PA.
Here is a link to his web site: https://circlefly.com/
Craig is a super nice guy and any of you that were at Ernie's last month may recall Craig and his buddy Mark shooting the flurry with their black powder doubles.

There was a picture of them shooting the flurry in a post just around that time here on the PGCA forum.

[William Davis]

I have been told the waxed fiber 16 g wads don’t spray as much fiber as the plain. 10 g wad recipe most of us use, SP 10 half 16 G fiber In the shot cup, works good I would not change it. One reason they pattern so well is the fiber comes apart on firing. Add something hard may change results.

Could be your friends should avoid outdoor sports.

William

[Rick Losey]

. One reason they pattern so well is the fiber comes apart on firing. Add something hard may change results.

William

IMHO- since the fiber wad should be in the bottom of the load- its not like the old overcards causing a hole in the pattern, so the only affect i can think the wad material could have on the pattern is that a very soft material may have some minor impact on set back deformation, but since its already in the sp10 cushioned wad- i doubt it would be noticeable

[Bill Murphy]

Yeah, use over powder card wads instead of fiber fillers.

[Rick Losey]

Yeah, use over powder card wads instead of fiber fillers.

that is what i did for these tested loads 2 16ga .125 wads inside the plastic wads

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=22303

[Eric Johanen]

I had that same problem with fiber fillers and went to using a lubed fiber filler which solved that flying bits problem. I also add a thin hard nitro card over the filler to keep shot from embedding in the soft filler wad.

[Daniel Carter]

Sent e-mail to Circle-fly and await their reply, have used just over- powder wad and it works but lengthens the process. Two of the friends are recent Parker converts and another just bought his first sxs so must tread softly lest they revert to their heathen ways.

[Carl G. Bachhuber]

Some where, some time ago,in a place long forgotten, I came up with a box of honest-to-God wax soaked felt wads. They were a bit gummy and their shape was a bit indistinct, but they were perfect for this type of work. I will have to search the basement to see if I still have some and perhaps get a clue as to whom the manufacturer was. If you didn't use a thin card over them shot would stick to the wad, which isn't a good thing.
C.G.B.

[Craig Larter]

Use card wads not fiber wads. Craig

[Carl G. Bachhuber]

I searched the basement and came up with fiber wads, cork wads, and hard felt wads, but none of the spongy wax soaked felt wads. Back when the thinking was that a 'cushion' wad was necessary for 'good' patterns. I have wanted to, but not had the time to, run some patterns with columns of all hard card wads vs columns using a combination of soft and hard wads. I expect that the fiber filler wads were used because they were cheaper to mfg. than the hard wads?
C.G.B.

[Paul Harm]

Daniel, must be something in the water back east. Here in Michigan, at least at my club, you wouldn't dare open your mouth about some paper wads floating in the air. You'd be told to man up, get a life, you're a sissy, etc, etc, etc. I just talked to BPI and was told they quit carrying the lubed 16ga wad. I would think Craig still makes it. Good luck.

[Daniel Carter]

They are not native New Englanders, their states of origin will not be mentioned. The natives ask '' is that the best you can do''? Can you do colors? Had one answer from Craig asking for clarification and have not heard back as yet. If i find something i will post here.

[Paul Harm]

Old V.M Starr who won many a turkey shoot with his muzzleloader against the new cartridge guns said cushion wads were unnecessary. He only used the OP hard card and said cushion wads only use was to take up space in shells. I would think a little cushion would help. My 10ga shells are 2 5/8 because I had a Parker 10 with stepped chambers at 2 5/8. I also have another Parker, Remington and Lefever 10ga guns so to make things easy I just cut all the shells at 2 5/8. They take a little less filler wads. Daniel, shoot some BP shells and really make em wine. Do it on the skeet field on a still day. The next guy will wine about not being able to see the birds. I just tell them - you think you're having trouble, you aught to try shooting it. The low bird station one kind a comes out of the fog at the last second. It's a poke and hope.

[William Davis]

All sorts of questions can come up shooting Parker 10s. Is it Damascus ? 10 G allowed on This course ? what’s that confetti coming out of the muzzle. And then there are BP loads.

Better to pick your squad than change what tested and works.

William

[Daniel Carter]

Mr. Davis, i find half the fun of shooting is telling them of course it's damascus,well you can't shoot it, please step back and we will see how it goes. You can't shoot a 10 ga. here it's too big, 1 oz. at 1150 and what are you shooting. Paul i am holding off on BP until they get used to what i am doing now and i usually shoot first and will wait for still damp day so it will hang.

[Paul Harm]

Daniel, I'm shooting about the same load you are - not sure of the velocity, but it's not over 1200. I keep extra shells so I can let other guys shoot it. Then there's the explaining about cocking the hammers and which trigger fires which barrel. They don't seem to grasp the concept of two barrels cocked and loaded, it doesn't matter, just pull a trigger and one of them will fire. Ah, I shouldn't be so hard on the auto gun shooters - I tease em all in fun. And just about all those guys think the confetti looks cool. They do have comments the first time - what is that, I never saw anything like that, or how do you shoot the second shot with all that stuff in the air. To us it's kind a funny so many shooters don't know how shells were loaded a couple of years back.

[Paul Harm]

This brought back a memory of a couple a years ago. There was a older gentleman who stood about 5' 3" and dressed in period clothing who shot a 10ga. He'd shoot up at Freeland and my Lapeer shoot, both for SxSs. At that time only Freeland had a enclosed 5-stand. And he shot BP. Now he didn't just shoot it, but he made the 5-stand and all the grounds around it shake. He had to be loading 4 or 5 drams of smoke. And when he yelled pull, he YELLED it. As I remember he didn't hit a whole lot, but man did he enjoy himself. The 5-stand was about 30' high in the middle - it went up from both ends so you were shooting station 3 at the top. The front was open so you could see the shooters on station 4 and 5. It was so much fun watching a elderly gentleman enjoying himself so much doing something we all love. God, that gun must of got hot shooting those loads at 5-stand where you shoot pretty fast. I don't think he's with us anymore, but I'll never forget him. Hope I'm still having that much fun at the end.

[William Davis]

Re reading my post I was too sarcastic, apologies. Point is any light 10 G 2 7/8 inch load with available components needs a filler . Any filler will blow visible residue out.

Fiber wads have several advantages, buy them too large cut down with a pocket knife to make the stack height come out right. I am loading 400 10 G now. 1 oz , 1 1/8 oz & 1 1/4 oz, all with half inch 16 G fiber wads cut to suit. They also have some spring making the stack height less critical. Other methods may be just as good.

Far as objectionable most objectionable gun on a clays course is ported !

William

[Daniel Carter]

I did not find any sarcasm at all, my shooting partners have many good qualities and i would not trade them for anything. I also load 3/4 16 ga. using felt carpet pad punched out for a filler, it does not have any visible residue. It is not thick enough for the 10 and i can't find a 16 ga punch, may have to make one. The short 10 has brought me a lot of fun and like Paul i always bring extra shells for those who want to shoot it. Ported guns are certainly objectionable.

[Paul Harm]

Ported guns are ok when your buddy is shooting one in a round of skeet at dusk, station 6, and he's going to be short a shell because he's been shooting two at singles when he misses, so you give him one of your shells. A BP shell to be exact. Damn, you could see fire shooting a foot out of the side of that baby. He thought he blew up the gun. It came right out of his hands. The rest of us never laughed so hard while he had some choice swear words for me. Nobodiee ask me for a shell anymore if they're going to be short.

[Daniel Carter]

Paul now i have got to load some BP 12 ga. and wait. I am still laughing, you made my day.

[Paul Harm]

I do it only to " friends, " and only if they're shooting a break open gun, and try to do it when they still have some shells to shot afterwards so the barrels kind a clean themselves, at least some. I've caught one buddy on SC's twice, on the same station, only three days apart. The second time he even said " oh, one of those black shells [ Remington ]." But then he's pushing 80 so I forgive him for not putting 2 and 2 together.