AAHE 28

[Russ Jackson]

I know some of you Gentlemen will remember ,a number of years ago Remington was taking orders for 28 Gauge AAHE Parkers ! They were going to make 10 a year on order if I remember correctly . You haven't heard anything about these guns that were built and how many were even ordered ! If I recall ,they were to sell for $49,900.00 ,any way I am wondering if this is one of those guns ?http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/parker-aahe-28ga-.cfm?gun_id=100997117 ,Does anyone of our members own one of these ?

[Kirk Potter]

I think that’s built by CSMC under license from Remington.

[Russ Jackson]

Yes ,I was thinking CSMC was to build them also ,is this one of those do you believe ?

[Buddy Marson]

Looking at the ad on GI CSMC is selling the gun and the ad says it's 100% new.




Yes ,I was thinking CSMC was to build them also ,is this one of those do you believe ?

[Todd Poer]

Wow, no doubt about it, that is a beautiful gun. I am seriously conflicted by guns like that and not because of the price. Looking at them just reminds me of my current bourgeois proletariat station in life.

[Russ Jackson]

You sure don't see many ,I wonder how many were actually ordered and produced ,very nice gun in my opinion !

[Todd Poer]

Ha. Whew, I can rest easy now, that was a close call and don't have to worry anymore. The quail engraved on the sides are I think gambels and have never hunted out west for them, so I don't identify with scenary. That gun was made you fellas out west. When they wake up in a few hours someone out there will buy it.

[John Dallas]

Remington tried to launch a 20 gauge in the 70's (?). I believe it was priced st about $12K
I've got some of the literature from that attempt for sale.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20018&highlight=Remington

[Robin Lewis]

I bought raffle tickets on these guns from Grouse Unlimited on at least two different years, maybe three. So, I assume they made at least that many.

[Brian Dudley]

CSMC told me a few years ago that about 12 were built and half of those were sold.

[Rich Anderson]

The serial number begins with a P. I'd bet money it's a CSMC gun. I can't believe they posted the picture of the stock with that much glare. IMHO not much of a piece of wood on a 50K gun.

[Mike Franzen]

Also, I believe the guns were serialized to pick up where the original Parker Bros and Remington Parker’s left off. $49,500 is a lot of money but in 20 - 30 years that’s going to seem cheap.

[Mark Ray]

A friend of mine that is very close to CSMC and Tony, says that they are in significant financial distress. I bought a round knob long tang .410 no salt superposed recently from them at an incredible price!! The guy I deal with there said that they are in “any reasonable offer” mode. So if there is something that interests you in their gun room, now is the time!! Help CSMC and make a good deal at the same time!!

[Jean Swanson]

As I recall , Remington Arms owned the trade mark and contracted with CSMC to make several AAHE 28 bore shotguns, how many, I do not remember.

I ,along with others, were invited to pheasant hunt at Ross Berck home in Osceola, NE several years ago and at that time we were privileged to have one of these AAHE 28's to test fire---well made and fun to shoot.

[Dean Romig]

We also had one on display in the PGCA booth at Pintail Point the first year they became available.

What a beautiful little gun and the handling dynamics were wonderful!

RGS had them as raffle guns for a year or two for $100 per ticket and they only sold 1000 tickets per drawing. I bought a few tickets... 1 chance in 1000 is pretty good odds... but not good enough for me. :crying:





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[edgarspencer]

That gun has been on display in New Britain for quite some time. Once you get beyond the engraving, it's a very sweet little gun, but I am not sure if Remington gave Tony any latitude, as I am certain Tony would know how many beads are supposed to be around the bolsters on a double A grade gun.

[allen newell]

So does one call it a Reproduction Parker?

[Dean Romig]

I think, judging by the serial numbers of these CSMC Parkers, they were intended to be 'Parker Continuations'.

Incidentally, the smallest bore Grade 7 guns didn't all have multiple beads. See page 332 of TPS for a picture of 28 bore No. 178209 with only one bead. Then on page 336 and 337 a 20 bore Parker No. 152815 with only two beads. Similarly, page 339 shows 20 bore No. 175048 with only two, and on page 346 is No. 214679 a 20 with two beads and No. 226267, a twenty with only one bead. So, it seems that the bigger the frame size, the more beads are filed into the bolsters.





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[edgarspencer]

I think this is another case of 'never say never' with regard to Parker.
The April, 2017 Julia auction sold a Three Bead 20 gauge, albeit a Grade 8, and then again, in October, they sold a Three Bead 20 gauge, also shown on the back page of the current PP.
I am worn out hefting Julia catalogs, but I also recall a 3 bead 28ga. and then there's the A-1 Special 28ga with three beads, so frame size probably wasn't a limitation to the filer.

Allen, I think Remington can legitimately still call it a Parker, since, if I'm not mistaken, they still own the name. Why they chose to add a "P" in front of the serial number must have been their idea of differentiating the new gun from the 1940s.

[Dean Romig]

I agree... Never say never.





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[todd allen]

They probably put the P in front of the serial number to differentiate it from other products. The P would of course stand for Parker.
Just my guess, of course.

[Bill Jolliff]

They probably put the P in front of the serial number to differentiate it from other products. The P would of course stand for Parker.
Just my guess, of course.

Todd,

I sent an email note to Jim DeMunck, who is a pretty well known engraver, about the CSMC Parkers as I was certain Jim worked on some high grade Parkers in recent years. He said it was OK to share the relevant info in his note if PGCA found it interesting as follows:

Hi Bill.
I read that stuff on the Parker site about the AAHE.

I went and looked up the info on the one I did for Tony in my FFL book.

This was the first one of the bunch for Remington that he did.
I logged it in 4-18/05
28ga, ser# P242510,,,noted to engrave to AA grade.
I returned it on 9/1/05.

Also found:
2/16/07 logged in
From CSMCo.. Parker AAHE ser# P242511
28ga,,notation to 'engrave to AA Grade'
(I honestly do not remember doing this gun!,,but I was engraving so much and so many hrs a day at the time.....)

IIRC the ser#ing was a continuation of the original Parker series of numbering. But I don't know if the absolute last orig # for Parker was known or established to bring up 242510 as the next in line.
I'm not a collector and that type of stuff makes my teeth bleed thinking about it.

The 'P' in the ser# if they want to know is for 'Parker' as they guessed in their discussion.
BATF regs require a letter prefix to all ser#'s and specific to each model. So the 'P' meets the requirements just fine.
(His AH Fox guns are all prefixed 'F'.,,the CSMCo Win 21 are prefixed 'W',,,ect.)

I do have some in the white engraving pics I took myself I can retrieve from my other computer I think, If I can I'll send you those too if you want.
You can share any of the above with the Parker group if they find it interesting."

Hope this helps.

Bill

[Dean Romig]

Excellent information Bill - Thanks very much.

Yes, please send 'in the white' pictures thank you.

Best, Dean





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[Brian Dudley]

I do recall that based on conversations that have had with Jim, that he did engrave the first Parker that CSMC built.
I hope he finds those photos, i wiuld like to see them.

[edgarspencer]

I agree, Brian. It would be interesting, if only from a curiosity point of view, to see how the first gun's engraving differs from the one Tony has listed on GI (P242518)

[Bill Jolliff]

Excellent information Bill - Thanks very much.

Yes, please send 'in the white' pictures thank you.

Best, Dean



I sent Jim a note per all your requests for some pictures.

[Bill Jolliff]

Update from Jim D. on finding the pictures of the Parker's he worked on.

Those pix are on his old computer and he's going to try to get it, the various cords, wires and monitor and look for those pictures.

Meanwhile, here are some pictures of the "pattern" gun that Tony used to trace the engraving for his 28 gauge RBL so it could be laser engraved on the production guns. Jim did two of those.

https://i.imgur.com/UZTv9m4.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/WHxv6CU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/z5kMvMh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TchkQ8z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0oysmmH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/i7jtp86.jpg

[Reggie Bishop]

Beautiful work!

[Brian Dudley]

If only the production RBLs looked like that...

[Garry L Gordon]

If only the production RBLs looked like that...

I could not agree more. Mine does not look at all as nice as that "human" version.

[Craig Larter]

A few of us apple knockers from the finger lakes region of NY state are lucky to know Jim, handle his gun art, shoot clays together and drink a beer together. Jim is a true master in every sense of the word. His engraving is only one of his many skills. He is a master gunsmith and stock maker. He cuts his scroll without a layout pattern, just by eye, unbelievable,! His gold inlays are without equal. He has engraved rabbits on a Winchester 22 that you would swear are alive. I only wish I could own one of his masterpieces. That being said Jim is extremely modest and approachable. Craig Larter

[Brian Dudley]

Jim is old world trained in nearly all aspects of gunsmithing and is a joy to talk to and to hear the stories has has to tell from his many years in the industry.

[Bill Jolliff]

Jim D. sent me a couple pictures of AAHE 28 Gauge P242510 per below. Not high resolution, only about 100K per picture but you get the idea.

If he sends me more, I'll post them too.

https://i.imgur.com/vjw9pMA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/PhNw32j.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9KRGrzR.jpg

[Dean Romig]

I believe, judging by the quail and woodcock, that is the one we had on display in the PGCA booth that year I mentioned earlier in this thread.





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