Where to find 10 gauge hulls

[Jonathan Larson]

Good day! I've been pouring over the excellent list of short 10 loads in preparation for when my 10 ga double arrives. Two of the best non toxic loads call for Rem blk or Win LB hulls- does anyone know a source for those? I can find Federal and Cheddite hulls but no low brass Winchester or Remington hulls. Thanks!

[Rick Losey]

https://www.precisionreloading.com/cart.php#!c=13&l=RM

[Jonathan Larson]

Apparently I'm blind and missed them there- I only saw the out of stock ones. Thank you! Might you know where I might find the Winchester low brass?

[Rick Losey]

i rarely see the Winchesters as once fired - not sure i have ever seen NPEs

[Paul Harm]

As far as I know, all 10ga shells are straight walled. If pressures are kept low, any 10ga shell could be used. Now some of you guys shoot a little higher pressures, so it could make a difference what shell is used. Anything at 9000 or under and I wouldn't worry what hull it is. A friend gives me once fired 10ga hulls he picks up at the local DNR range - Win, Rem, and Fed hulls; and all of them are high brass. I've never seen a low brass hull. At least not the modern ones made now a days. I use the same formula for all of them. JMHO

[charlie cleveland]

paul you and i are on the same station....charlie

[Rick Losey]

I don't think you will ever see low brass 10's

because the impression has held over all the way from the black powder and paper hulls days, that the brass equates to power

when a paper hull contained more black powder for a heavy load - it needed higher brass to contain any burn through in the paper by hot embers.

although that is no longer a concern with smokeless powder the perception, often perpetuated by marketing, makes people think they are getting something they are not.

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, all ten gauge hulls are acceptable for reloading, depending on interior capacity.

[Jonathan Larson]

I've never seen a low brass 10 gauge hull, but that's what I interpreted the load data to be on the spreadsheet. I know the hull makes a good deal of difference in my low pressure 12 gauge loads- not such a big deal in 10's?

[Rick Losey]

i do not remember seeing any reference to the brass in the spreadsheet

are you thinking base - the internal base wad?

[Paul Harm]

There is a difference with the 12 but not as much as one would think IF the data for tapered walled hulls is also used for straight walled hulls. Looking at my IMR reloading manual, 1oz with a Win 209 primer and 15.5 in a Fed hull will make 5700psi at 1100fps. In the Win hull using 16grs makes 5000psi at 1100fps. Now that's not to say every powder and charge will react the same way, but there usually isn't a big difference, and at the low pressures we reload at I don't feel there's a lot to worry about. As we say over at the club - in a 12ga, 15 grains of anything is safe. JMHO

[Dennis E. Jones]

I've never seen a low brass 10 gauge hull, but that's what I interpreted the load data to be on the spreadsheet. I know the hull makes a good deal of difference in my low pressure 12 gauge loads- not such a big deal in 10's?

They have been made in the past.

I have 100 new primed ALCAN 10 gauge low brass plastic hulls the only ones I've ever seen. Bought them from a friend several years ago. I'm going to start loading them as I lost all my empty 10 gauge hulls except these in a fire in 2015. No more than I shoot anymore they should last me as long as I'll be around.

[Jonathan Larson]

The chart states "winlb" as the hull... maybe I'm misinterpreting it?

[Paul Harm]

Maybe it should have been winbl, meaning win black hulls ? Just a guess.