Remington factory loads short 10

[Mark Ray]

I have found a limited source of these new old stock remington 10 gauge, 2 7/8, loads

Would these be safe in a damascus short 10? Parker or english, i have both.

[Mark Landskov]

Responses will vary. Personally, I wouldn't do it. A heavy blackpowder load in 1911 was 5 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. Bulk smokeless topped out at 4-1/4 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. I have no idea what the pressures were. Drew Hause or Dave Noreen will have more in depth info. I wonder what RST shells have for pressures. Good Luck!

:corn:

[Bill Murphy]

That's a pretty heavy load, but some shooters will shoot anything.

[Rick Losey]

the Express as they say are heavy loads

as with the above- i would not

[Drew Hause]

My apology for the caveat, but no one can tell you if any load is safe in YOUR gun.

Feb 24, 1900 Sporting Life
The Winchester people offer the Repeater in 10, 12, 16 and 20 gauges, loaded with any of the standard brand of nitro powders; the maximum loads for this shell being 10-gauge, 3 1/2 drams powder, 1 1/4 oz. shot (shell boxes list 28 grains Ballistite or Laflin & Rand Bulk Powder).
We know 12g 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr. Eq. BULK Smokeless was about 11,750 psi; DENSE Smokeless was 12,600 psi. 10g would certainly be less.

Until the 1920s, the heaviest North American factory loaded 10 gauge shells offered were 1 1/4 ounces of shot with 4 1/4 Dr. Eq. of smokeless powder in a 2 7/8 inch case. The Western Cartridge Co. Super-X load Super-Ten shell with 1 5/8 ounces of shot with 4 3/4 Dr. Eq. of Progressive Burning Smokeless Powder in a 2 7/8 inch case was introduced about 1926.

A Hunter Arms Co. Pressure Curve dated June 10, 1929, from the McCracken Research Library, Buffalo Bill Center of the West lists 12g 3” ‘Record’ 1 3/8 oz. shot (presumed 1275 – 1295 fps) at 13,250 psi + 10-14% for modern piezo transducer numbers. No 10g service load was included.

Those loads very likely are at the SAAMI recommended 2 7/8" maximum of 11,000 psi, and recoil would be substantial.

Recoil in a 12g 1 5/8 oz. 4 Dr. Eq. (1280 fps) in a 9# gun = 40 ft/lbs.
1 1/8 oz. at 1200, (3 Dram) in a 7.5# shotgun = 23.0 ft/lbs

[Dean Romig]

4 3/4 drams with 1 5/8 oz. of shot in my opinion is just asking for trouble in an old gun.





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[Craig Larter]

You have to be nuts to shoot that load in a damascus Parker!!!!

[Mark Ray]

I Agree! I am not that familiar with any 10’s other than the full blown 3 1/2” loads. I shot an Ithaca Mag 10 for a few years goose hunting. So, I will stick to RST and GAD blackpowder for my recently axquired short 10’s.

Interesting though, I wonder what Guns these Remington loaded were intended for?
I have killed the vast majority of doves in my life with 2 1/2” AA .410’s, so I am not wary of softer loads.

[Dave Noreen]

Not saying I recommend this, but ---

When I was in my high school and college years I saw plenty of those Super-Ten loads being used in a Quality 2 Syracuse L.C. Smith that was lighter weight than my 12-gauge 3-inch Super-Fox. That 10-gauge L.C. Smith was the only shotgun one member of our hunting group owned and he used it for everything from Doves with his 1 1/8 ounce hand loads to Ducks & Geese with the Super-Ten loads.

[charlie cleveland]

one thing for sure this was a top notch load in its day...i ve killed several turkeys with this load....this is a stout load probly my favorite load of all times my supply of these shells are about gone....charlie

[William Shirah]

Responses will vary. Personally, I wouldn't do it. A heavy blackpowder load in 1911 was 5 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. Bulk smokeless topped out at 4-1/4 drams with 1-1/4 ounces of shot. I have no idea what the pressures were. Drew Hause or Dave Noreen will have more in depth info. I wonder what RST shells have for pressures. Good Luck!

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I spoke to owner of RST years ago...He said they don't load anything over 8000PSI

[Bill Murphy]

When these loads were available, of course 3 1/2" ten gauge guns were used with these loads, but there were heavy 2 7/8" guns available with fluid steel barrels from Ithaca, Parker, L.C. Smith, Francotte, and other European and British makers. Until a few years before the 1 5/8 ounce tens were discontinued, 1 1/4 ounce loads were available. When these two loads were discontinued, there was no factory load suitable for non-magnum ten gauge guns. The gun show business in old 1 5/8 ounce ten gauge loads is still very brisk and there doesn't seem to be any sign that they will run out soon.

[Jerry Harlow]

one thing for sure this was a top notch load in its day...i ve killed several turkeys with this load....this is a stout load probly my favorite load of all times my supply of these shells are about gone....charlie

I'll bet Charlie has shot and will shoot them in a 10 Parker!

[Richard Flanders]

They wouldn't get fed to my grade 2 damascus hammer gun. It might survive them, but what would be the point? And the stock might NOT survive them.

[Alfred Greeson]

Speaking of the old guy who will shoot anything, I remember one who my Daddy would warn about it and later we ran into him and he was missing his left thumb. Seems he killed the rabbit but also his left thumb when the chamber exploded! And the bailing wire he wrapped around the wrist of that old gun didn't help either.
Please just stay with RST or something you know is safe. We need all you guys, if nothing else you keep up entertained on this forum.

[Bill Murphy]

I have guns that would be safe to fire with the ten gauge 1 5/8 ounce Super-X or Remington loads, but what would I use them for? Pheasants, either pointed or tower thrown, or turkeys are possibilities, but clay targets are better addressed with handloads. I think the availability of the heavy 1 5/8 ounce 2 7/8" factory loads will continue for decades.

[charlie cleveland]

ja i have shot the 1 5/8 ounce loads in most of my heavy tens 3 frames for 30 years and a lefever of my dads for 60 plus years...was a good load on ducks and turkeys....never know barrel or stock damage to any of these guns....it is something each fellow has to deal with the shooting of these shells in his gun....charlie