Parker SBT AD

[Randy Davis]

Here is a 1917 ad from The American Shooter magazine for The Parker Single Barrel Trapgun...

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[Chuck Bishop]

Has anyone ever seen a forend shaped like that with the groove?

[Dave Suponski]

Chuck, I haven,t.

[Eric Eis]

I haven't either. But as they say "you never say no they didn't do that if it is a Parker" and that ad just proves the point.

[Dean Romig]

Keep in mind that it is an artist's rendition, not a photograph.





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[Randy Davis]

The ad is from the middle of the year 1917, may have just been the first design for Parker to advertise to the public...

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[Bill Murphy]

Never seen one.

[Brian Dudley]

I was thinking the same thing as soon as i saw that. Never physically seen an example. And i dont think there was a forend like that pictured in a formal Parker catalog. I may be wrong on that though.

[Drew Hause]

This ad is from 1919. In 1917, Fred Gilbert took delivery of a Parker SBT SN 180116

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/385571236.jpg

I had a 1918 SC with a straight stock and no FE grove.

[Drew Hause]

de Mund's clearly has the groove

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413728759.jpg

[Dean Romig]

I thought that was an Ithaca...





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[Brian Dudley]

It is difficult to tell in that photo if the gun is even a Parker.

[Dave Suponski]

I agree with Dean. Sure looks like an Ithaca. I used to own 180115 the gun made one number before Fred Gilbert’s gun. Also a 32” straight grip gun.

[Randy Davis]

Receiver looks nothing like an Ithaca 1917 Flues SBT... The trap gun that
de Mund`s holding is a Parker SBT :)

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[Chuck Bishop]

Randy, how are you so sure? The photo is poor but the general shape of the frame walls don't look Parkerish to me, the height of the frame is too high. I would think with all the surviving Parker SBT's, we would have seen one by now. If one does exist, I'd like to see a modern photo of one.

[Dave Noreen]

Certainly appears to me that I can see the mono-bloc style breech to the barrel as found on the Flues Model Ithaca SBT or the early Baker SBTs. Shape of the receiver looks more Ithaca Flues to these old eyes.

[Randy Davis]

Excuse the phone photos...Some period SBT`s that de Mund "may" have shot.

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Baker Sterling Grade
Fox J Grade
Ithaca Flues
Parker
Three Barrel Gun Co

[Randy Davis]

Here`s de Mund photo from another 1917 publication...
It`s not a Fox, Ithaca, Baker, Three Barrel Gun, Purdy,
It`s down to Parker or Daly?

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[Dean Romig]

Survey says.....






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[Eric Eis]

It doesn't look like a Parker, can't see the hinge pin but..........

[Randy Davis]

Alright... after staring for hours on a 24 inch computer screen, I`m changing my original comment (hardheaded):) to LC Smith Crown grade...

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[Drew Hause]

de Mund. Could it be a Daly?

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413728759.jpg

Sousa and his Daly SBT

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/408407777.jpg

World's Record Trapshooting Squad. Record 497 out of 500. July 4th, 1915, Maplewood Club in the White Mountains, New Hampshire. A.G. King - 99, Ralph Spotts - 100, Chas. Newcomb - 99, A.B. Richardson - 99, Fred Plum - 100. Newcomb won the 1915 GAH.
Spotts and Newcomb both used Daly SBTs

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/407090567.jpg

Jay Clark, member of the 1920 Olympic Gold Medal team with his Flues SBT

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/412290074.jpg

Otto Newlin, winner of the 1927 GAH with his Smith Crown SBT (no FE groove)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/17127707/308467310.jpg

John Hendrickson, member of the 1912 Gold Medal Olympic Team. I think it's a Smith.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413456781.jpg

[Bob Brown]

de Mund's looks like it might be a Westley Richards SBT to me.

[Randy Davis]

Well, Dilly Dilly! Bob, I`m going to have to agree...:bowdown:

Westley Richards didn`t even cross my mind.:banghead:

Thanks,

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[Chuck Bishop]

Definately not a Smith, they have a Schnable forend. Could be a Westley Richards , I had one years ago but it was restocked. I think it had a sculptured side but it's been too long ago. Did Daly's have a scalloped frame? If the picture was from 1917, we could rule out some manufactures or models. I'll have to look at my American Single Barrell book to see if there are any similar guns in it or maybe Randy, you have already looked.

[Drew Hause]

Westley Richards SBTs. I can't tell if de Mund's has a VR. Distinctive angle at the front of the action and I think Chuck might be correct. Still can't 'splain the FE goove.

WR Model of 1908

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732818.jpg

Possibly Model of 1911 with VR and frame sculpting

Forest & Stream March 11, 1911
https://books.google.com/books?id=m0kcAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA400&lpg
Forest & Stream Feb. 8, 1913
https://books.google.com/books?id=hhjHHPd3VxUC&pg=PA192


http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732768.jpg

FE groovish, and quite...exceptional...Schnabel tip ;)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732770.jpg


Charles Daly SBT distinct frame. I don't think that is de Mund's gun

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732817.jpg

[Chuck Bishop]

Yup Drew, your second picture is what I had. The gun was garbage but that's a different story and one I'd like to forget! I learned a very valuable lesson.

[Drew Hause]

Definitely not a Francotte Model 11 with the distinct breech

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732822.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/413732823.jpg

http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1895/VOL_25_NO_09/SL2509025.pdf
The first annual Sportsmen's Exposition in Madison Square Garden, New
York, 1895.
Von Lengerke & Detmold, New York, importers, dealers and general selling agents of Francotte (showed) a new Francotte single barrel gun for artificial target shooting, having extra heavy breech, flat rib, and was a fine model.

Forest & Stream
https://books.google.com/books?id=n0IhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA419&lpg

1896
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1896/VOL_27_NO_17/SL2717019.pdf

[Randy Davis]

Chuck, the photo was taken at the 1917 Grand. I did take a look through Conley`s book, which only covers American SBT`s. Don`t know about the forend either... Thanks Drew for the Westley SBT photos. Seeing a few more
examples I do believe he is holding a Westley Richards SBT

Best Regards,
Randy

[Drew Hause]

Same grooved FE in the Fred Gilbert ad in Outers' Recreation, November, 1919
https://books.google.com/books?id=l3s7AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA383&lpg