20 gauge Reproduction observations

[Matt Buckley]

As I was cleaning my 20 gauge this afternoon I noticed the serial number of my gun stamped on the back side of both ejectors. I had never noticed this before. I also measured the length of my chambers in a 2 3/4" factory gun and they both measure 3". They may had been lengthened before I purchased the gun. Has anybody else measured there chambers just out of curiosity to see what length they came out of the factory with?

[Kenny Graft]

Your barrels most likely came from PR with 3" chambers. Many of the 12 gauge come marked 2 3/4 but have 3" chambers. I do not shoot any 3" 20 gauge shells so I never checked my barrels chambers on them. SXS Ohio

[Greg Baehman]

Matt, what is the length of your 20-ga. barrels that have 3" chambers?

[Matt Buckley]

26" barrels with the typical IC/M chokes.

[Greg Baehman]

26" barrels with the typical IC/M chokes.
Well Matt, your 20-ga. 26" barrels with 3" chambers had me scratching my head wondering what my 20-ga., 26", Q1/Q2, stamped 2 3/4" chambers really measured. So I just went and measured my gun's chambers with arguably the world's most accurate instrument to have ever been devised -- the Po' Man's Chamber Gauge, of course! :duck:

Mine measure exactly 2 3/4". I would suspect that your gun's chambers have been lengthened, but would invite others to measure theirs for a larger sampling to come to any definitive conclusions.

[Daniel Carter]

Measured my 26 Q1&2 it is 3 in.also has s/n on back of ejectors. I am its only owner so it is as it came from the factory. Forgot to say it is a 20 ga.

[Greg Baehman]

Measured my 26 Q1&2 it is 3 in.also has s/n on back of ejectors. I am its only owner so it is as it came from the factory. Forgot to say it is a 20 ga.
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle! Previously we learned that most, if not all, 12-ga. 28" Repros stamped only 2 3/4" actually have 3" chambers. Now we're learning that some, but not all, 20-ga. 26" Repros stamped only 2 3/4" actually measure 3".

We don't know what we don't know . . . but we're finding out -- and it only leads to more questions!

[Daniel Carter]

I did not add that it is marked 2-3/4

[Phillip Carr]

Can anyone tell me how common 3 barrel reproduction sets are and how desirable? 20 28”, 20 26”, and 28” 16 gauge.

[Greg Baehman]

Can anyone tell me how common 3 barrel reproduction sets are and how desirable? 20 28”, 20 26”, and 28” 16 gauge.

I kind of doubt anyone really knows for sure Phil, but I'd bet there's probably only about a handful of righteous 3-bbl. 20/20/16 sets in their original 3-bbl. cases in existence. Most of these 3-bbl. sets that one encounters have been made up with 16-ga. Galazan barrels.

This one, however; is righteous, but the seller hasn't matched up what he's selling with what he has pictured.
http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns-reproduction/parker-reproduction-20-16-gauge.cfm?gun_id=100956454

[Kenny Graft]

Few 3 barrel sets were made and sold as the market did not support their price at the time. The DHE 410/28/28 sets are very scarce, as are the 20/20/16 sets. I own a correct DT-20/20/16 set, I would say it would be worth 12500.00 to the right buyer. My 410/28/28 DHE with two triggers and both BTF (Very Rare)is worth 18500.00 in todays market. I have been collecting for many years now and all the good hard to find Reproductions are in the hands of guys who know what they have....few deals are out there on the good ones! I have used and hunted with them now for several years...they are great guns well worth owning. They are well made, quality SXS guns that I'm proud to own! As a side note...Don't be afraid of the 28" Merkel 16 gauge barrels that CSMC had made..they are Hi Quality, well made barrels that shoot hard! My set has killed many Kansas wild rooster at long range! (-: SXS Ohio

[Jim Beilke]

Way to go Matt. You just taught a bunch of old dogs a new trick.

[Matt Buckley]

I would never be afraid of anything made by Merkel. Does anybody know how to get a hold of one of those 16 barrels without having to buy a whole set?

[Phillip Carr]

Took a look at the set today. Actually both 20gauge barrels are 26 inch. Q1 and Q2 as well as IMP/ CYL AND MOD. WAS THE IMP/CYL barrels in 26” normal? Can anyone share the choke measurements for these barrel sets. The 16 gauge barrel Im guessing is a Galazan barrel. Picture attached.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=59272&stc=1&d=1514649768

[Kenny Graft]

Q1/Q2 .003/.006 some are .004/.007 this is the norm, IC/MOD .012/.018 norm. I have checked multiple sets. Both my sets of Galazan/Merkel 16 gauge have nice tight chokes, They came M/F .016/.031 = Mod/X-full if not altered. The factory PR choke for 16 M/F is .017/.024 or MOD/ light full. Normal full choke in 16 gauge is .026 I have killed many wild Kansas rooster with my full barrel from the Merkel set! SXS Ohio

[Phillip Carr]

Thanks Kenny can you tell me the length of the choks. Also any estimate on what a set of the Merkel 16 gauge barrels adds to a Reproduction?

[Kenny Graft]

Phil...as I remember 2.5" The set I ordered new from Galazan were 1800.00 plus fitting to my gun.

[Brett Farley]

Wild, I don’t know the number of three barreled sets (20/20/16) that were originally made. If I’m not mistaken the original 16 Ga. barrels were made in Germany or elsewhere, not Japan. Someone else I’m sure will be able to provide specifics. Was lucky enough to own one of these configurations for a while with the correct case, dust cover and original shipping boxes. Also stupid enough to sell it!! Wish I still had it! That third set of barrels in 16 GA will add quite a bit to the price.

[Greg Baehman]

Yes, Brett you are correct regarding the original 16-ga. Parker Repro barrels which were contracted out by Parker Reproductions to Krieghoff of Germany. I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been in my previous post to this thread where I referred to them only as being righteous.

One way to distinguish Krieghoff barrels from those supplied by Galazan is to look at the breach end, the Krieghoff's will have a band of engraving typical of the original Repros, whereas the Galazan's will be sans this engraving - unless, of course, the engraving was added later. The pic that Phil showed us above appears to be lacking this band of engraving and thus tells me that they were supplied by Galazan. There are other differences, but this is the simplest way to distinguish them apart with just a glance. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.