“K” barrrels

[Mark Ray]

What type of steel are “K” barrels?

[Dean Romig]

"K" is the inspection stamp of the gunworks superintendent until 1910, Charles A. King. His successor, his son Walter King's stamp is W.K. in an oval.





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[Mark Ray]

That’s what I thought, away from my resources. This K is a capital letter in the front (muzzle end) and on same side as I struck weight. So, my next question, can 1 frame 16 barrels be fitted to a 1 frame 12?

[Dean Romig]

Your chances of fitting 1-frame 16 barrels to the frame of the same size are far better than trying to fit 0-frame barrels to a 1-frame frame.





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[Bill Murphy]

I can't read Dean's post properly. He will probably fix it after a proofread. Fitting 0 to 1 isn't going to work because the pins are a different distance apart. Fitting 1 to 1, even in different gauges, is much more possible. 1/2 to 1 is also more possible since the pins are an equal distance apart.

[Mark Ray]

okay so that was my question, these are 1 frame 16 barrels, and I have the same vintage 1 frame 12 gun, both graded with dollshead, both extractor, then it might work.

[Dean Romig]

Bill, I went back and read it again and I corrected my error. My apologies to Bill and Edgar and everyone else reading this thread.

To paraphrase what I had said.... It will be a lot easier to fit 1-frame barrels to a 1-frame 'gun' than to attempt to fit 0-frame barrels to a 1-frame 'gun'.





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[edgarspencer]

Your chances of fitting 1-frame 16 barrels to the frame of the same sizewhat goes here? than trying to fit 0-frame barrels to a 1-frame frame..

I think your brain got ahead of your fingers

[Dean Romig]

Your chances of fitting 1-frame 16 barrels to the frame of the same size AS THE 1-FRAME 16 BARRELS than trying to fit 0-frame barrels to a 1-frame frame.


Seriously??? You missed your remedial reading classes?

Nope... I missed my remedial writing classes....

[Mark Ray]

Regardless, of semantics, syntax, “freudian tyros”, i think i see that frame size, and presence of extractor, or ejectors is the key.....if all other things are equal, a 20 bore 1 frame is identical to a 12 bore 1 frame..

[Dean Romig]

Not necessarily "identical" Mark. They will probably still need a lot of fine fitting and filing to make them fit precisely right.






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[Linn Matthews]

Maybe one of our "barrel" guys can help here?

[edgarspencer]

Your chances of fitting 1-frame 16 barrels to the frame of the same size than trying to fit 0-frame barrels to a 1-frame frame.

You're having synapse errors. I think your plug wires are wet. I didnt take remedial mind reading.

[Dean Romig]

You're all right in that I left gaps in my 'mind to hand' process that left my statement meaningless. Apologies to all for that.





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[Jim DiSpagno]

But anyone with just a basic understanding should have gotten your meaning. Let’s not nitpick

[Mark Ray]

Man! I collect shotguns, fish and hunt, smoke cigars and drink bourbon and martinis JUST so i can forget about english class, diagramming sentences, etc! Dean, I know what you meant, but I see this group here at Parker Collectors, like my longtime breakfast group
.......we allow no quarter! Its half the fun. Everett day, I learn more, and have more fun here!

Thank You Sincerely to the Parker Peanut Gallery!

[davidboyles]

Mark shot the 10 bore today it's a cannon. You are finding out as I have this is a good bunch of guys you can be yourself with and that's what counts in my book. Dean and I have become friends even though we have yet to meet face to face. There are a number of them I met at the Southern SXS this year and was a pleasure for sure. You and I have got to get together before this season ends. Have a lull right now while my right eye due to diabetic retinopathy starts to clear. Has been a blur since Dec 5 but maybe 1-2 weeks to go and look out doves or whatever.

[edgarspencer]

But anyone with just a basic understanding should have gotten your meaning. Let’s not nitpick

We all knew what he was attempting to say, right off, Jim, But heck, how often do you get a chance to heckle a real editor..

[Bill Murphy]

The first thing you want to do when trying barrels is to remove the hook from the barrel lug. Sometimes the hook will not disengage from the gun which was not made for the barrels being fitted, which presents quite a challenge.

[Russ Jackson]

The first thing you want to do when trying barrels is to remove the hook from the barrel lug. Sometimes the hook will not disengage from the gun which was not made for the barrels being fitted, which presents quite a challenge.

Been There ,Done That , That's the best advice so far ! I was very fortunate ,the gun would still open just enough to get to the tiny bolt to remove it and then the gun popped open ! What a deal that was :eek: !

[Dean Romig]

Right you are Russ - I've been there too. But I had to remove the stock and then remove the floor plate to get it to unhook..... I won't be doing that anymore!





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[Drew Hause]

"What type of steel are “K” barrels?"

Possibly I've missed the intent of Mark's question, but the names Parker used for the steel should be marked on the rib, and the composition of several Parker barrel steels is now known courtesy of Dave Suponski and published in the Summer 2014 Parker Pages.
Scroll down about 3/4 here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA/edit

[Rick Losey]

i think the point of Dean's first response was to say it has no relation to steel type, it is an inspection stamp

[Mark Ray]

here is the only pic I have of the barrel flats in question.....

[Dean Romig]

Ok, that's Kf which is King's 'finished' stamp.





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[Dave Noreen]

I seem to recall a discussion a while back about the Kf being a steel mark on the early Vulcan Steel barrels and not Charles King's mark.

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[Mark Ray]

I didn’t realize that was an “f”, and since was different font different case, I thought it unrelated to the “K”