"O" and "OO"..That is the question..

[Jerry VanHorn]

I just bought a VH stock that was sold as an "O" frame...Round knob..DHBP..All original..and very nice... When I got it, I checked the SN against the book..233299..and it turns out it is listed for a 410.It's an OO size..and fits 28 gauge. According to TPS, an OO frame is 1 29/32 across bolsters...and an O frame is 2 1/32...or about 1/16 on a side difference. Brian D. says this is the critical measurement. Would a 1/16 difference be that critical ?..If the answer is positive yes...Then I have an OO..round knob stock for sale..or trade...Any thoughts ?..thanks ..jv..

[Dean Romig]

Yes Jerry, 1/16" will make a critical difference in correct fit.





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[Jerry VanHorn]

That seems to be the general consensus..DAMN !

[Bill Murphy]

How did you determine that your stock was OO size? An OO .410 is a very rare gun.

[edgarspencer]

There are worse things to be stuck with than a 00 frame stock.

[Jerry VanHorn]

Bill..The Parker serial number book shows it as a 410..I miked the width at the head against 4 of my 16 "O" frame guns..and it is about 1/8 or so different..so...about a 1/16 on a side. I bought this as a "just in case" stock. I especially liked the round knob. The seller has offered to take it back..and I've had an offer..but the chances of finding a .410 or 28 that I would buy now are slim..

[Jerry VanHorn]

and...Bill..I must be mistaken in thinking that all .410 guns were OO frame ?..Am I wrong ?..

[edgarspencer]

Most ..410s were 000 framed.A PG (as opposed to a capped PG) stock, to fit a 00 framed 28 is a very lovely thing. I had just such a GHE, but, regrettably, slate roof repairs don't come cheap. I consider selling that gun the supreme sacrifice, and still be living.

[Jerry VanHorn]

What with wood aging..hand done fitting, etc..and the listed differences being listed in 32nds and sixteenths...and the Parker book showing all but 2 of the O and OO frame dimensions being the same...I STILL don't know for sure...The seller has offered to take it back..and I've had an offer...One thing for sure..it's going today..

[Jerry VanHorn]

Did a couple more measurements Stock at head...1 21/32..O Frame 16 VH.. Measured at edge of frame...1 19/32...??..Buttplate is stamped "O". Got Email from Ebay..Seller has contacted them ??

[Bill Murphy]

The chances of your stock being a OO are slim. The serial number is a .410 and 99% of all .410s were OOO frame. Ball grip .410s are very common compared to other gauges. The serialization book gets .410 grips wrong most of the time.

[Jerry VanHorn]

Bill..So why would the wood measurement be "proud" of the frame measurement ? I assume you say this is an OOO stock..right ??

[edgarspencer]

Did a couple more measurements .Buttplate is stamped "O".

The "0" on the butt plate does not mean it came off an 0 framed gun. That is the butt size. An 0 frame 16 would have a "1" butt, whereas an 0 frame 20 would have an "0" butt.

[Jerry VanHorn]

SO..What size is this stock ?......OOO ? Is that the majority opinion..because of the SN ?..

[Russ Jackson]

Hello Jerry , I just now saw your post so ,Sorry if I am a little late ! I just happen to have an old 000 Framed 410 laying around the house here , I measured the receiver directly in front of the stock and it measures 1.598" and directly behind the frame the outside of the wood which is just proud of the metal it measures 1.614" ! This measurment was taken from a digital gauge ,Hope this helps ! Best ; Russ

[Jerry VanHorn]

SO..That settles it..Bill M. called it. Dean R. seconded it..and this is the river card. Anyone need an OOO frame stock ?