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Phil Yearout
11-24-2017, 10:25 AM
Since we're showing our rifles, here's about as basic a pair as you'll find; a Model 94 in .30-30 and a Model 61 .22LR...

https://i.imgur.com/aCOXt32h.jpg

Dean Romig
11-24-2017, 02:33 PM
I like the wood on your 94 - what's the year of production?

I have one made, I think, in about '39 with some figure in the butt stock.




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Bill Zachow
11-26-2017, 07:31 AM
In my opinion, the model 61 was the finest pump 22 Winchester made. Even better than the model 90s that I also love. I have 3. The neatest is a pre war in 22 shot. Looks just like a mini model 12. Great guns.

Dean Romig
11-26-2017, 09:28 AM
I really like my little Model 90 in .22 WRF. It must have been ordered for a youngster or a small lady with a very short LOP and a 16" hex barrel. A great little rifle to tend a trap line with.





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Frank Srebro
11-26-2017, 09:54 AM
Two nice rifles Phil. Here ya go .....
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Frank Srebro
11-26-2017, 10:05 AM
I've owned a few Model 61's and like them, but have long remembered watching the gunsmith at the Argonaut Gun Shop in Modesto CA while he was setting back a 61 barrel. He told me that the angled section of the breech where the extractor rests when bolt is in battery, will deform into the chamber over VERY LONG use. Just passing along a vignette from when my bride and I were transferred to CA; that was well before modern microtig welding was developed.

Gary Cripps
11-26-2017, 10:29 AM
A .32-20 mod 92 well used and Big an 1895 in .405 made in 1904 the first year of .405 production.This rifle was purchased by a member of the Reese family in Idaho then passed down through four generations until the string ran out.

charlie cleveland
11-26-2017, 01:52 PM
nice pair of guns in 2 great calibers..never owned a 405 but would like too...charlie

calvin humburg
11-26-2017, 02:54 PM
Gary, who put the rubber on that rope? Nice guns everybody.

edgarspencer
11-26-2017, 04:12 PM
This is one of three of my '61s, and a factory smooth bore at that. Great for keep ing the English Sparrows, constantly nesting in the ivy on the side off my house, under control.

edgarspencer
11-26-2017, 04:17 PM
This '63 was unfired when I got it. I traded a first year, 20" barrel gun, plus cash to get it.
It isn't unfired anymore. The grooved receiver came fairly late in the production run of these. I had no trouble finding the correct mount, and Weaver, on Ebay.

edgarspencer
11-26-2017, 04:25 PM
Mostly 1894s, and all 'special order'. I love 1/2 round barrels, Pistol grips and set triggers. Take downs are nice too. There's a 25-35 in there that has all that, with shotgun butt and Lyman 5A and 2A sights. I chased that one for years, and oddly, the owner came up to my table at Baltimore, and offered it to me in trade for one of my guns.
The '73 and the '95 .30US are both family guns.

One time my wife said "Another Parker?" to which I replied "but I have more Winchesters". Not a convincing defense I guess.

charlie cleveland
11-26-2017, 07:37 PM
wow...charlie

Todd Poer
11-26-2017, 07:56 PM
Nice firearm collection. Some very cool old guns.

Frank Srebro
11-27-2017, 07:30 PM
Our PA regular rifle deer season opened today. I saw about 12 does and passed on a small but legal buck. Rifle choice for today was my old Winchester M70 Standard in 270 caliber, 1955 gun with a period Balvar 8A scope in a B & L mount. I have several of these Balvars = great optics and that B & L mount once adjusted never seems to need further tinkering. This one is still where I set it decades ago for a pet load. :cool:
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edgarspencer
11-27-2017, 08:15 PM
Frank, that's a pretty nice stock.
Something about hunting with a vintage gun makes getting old seem almost tolerable.

Bill Zachow
11-28-2017, 07:04 AM
Edgar, did you have the right picture of your smooth bore 61? Kind of odd to see a smoothbore with peep and rear sights. Or, did the smoothbore refer to the model 12?

edgarspencer
11-28-2017, 07:22 AM
Well you're right bill. I grabbed the wrong gun. All three have Lyman tang sites on them. I put that tang site on primarily because I had it. The pattern with the CCI shotshells is about 6" in diameter at 25 feet, so you really have to shoot it like a rifle.

Reggie Bishop
11-28-2017, 11:00 AM
Edgar I count 5 Parkers in the photo. There must be another wall somewhere?!

edgarspencer
11-28-2017, 12:19 PM
I think they go on to the left for a while.

James L. Martin
11-28-2017, 05:57 PM
Here's my deer gun ,a Winchester Model 70 featherweight in 308 made in 1954.Love those old Winchesters.

Bill Zachow
11-28-2017, 07:06 PM
Edgar, I shot my 1940 smoothbore 61 at a rusty oil drum 10 yards away. Perfectly round 10" pattern. I was very impressed.

edgarspencer
11-28-2017, 08:24 PM
Bill, were you using CCI shotshells?

Rich Anderson
11-30-2017, 02:30 PM
Here are two Pre64 Super Grades a 300 H&H and a 220 Swift

Rich Anderson
11-30-2017, 02:39 PM
This is one of my favorites. Built on a Ruger #1 platform it's chambered in 7MM/08. It has a 24 inch tapered octagon barrel.

edgarspencer
11-30-2017, 03:07 PM
This is one of my favorites. Built on a Ruger #1 platform it's chambered in 7MM/08. It has a 24 inch tapered octagon barrel.

It’s very nice. But it’s not a Winchester.

Rich Anderson
11-30-2017, 03:16 PM
Sorry for the mistake. Heres a M71 Deluxe to make up for it.
Just in time for deer season I had a Pre64 M70 carbine in 7MM restored. The gun was a mess but it came out beautifully. Its raining or I'd get some pictures,

Dean Romig
11-30-2017, 03:40 PM
I'm not ashamed to ask - Can you show more of the Ruger, like the barrel and the right side of the frame?

And is the forend cap made of horn or some other material?

Who did the work for you?





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Rich Anderson
11-30-2017, 07:18 PM
Dean here is what I have. The for end cap is Ebony. Kip Wood of Central Michigan Gunsmithing did the work. He's the one who did Gunner's Gun.
Apparently I don't have a pic of the right side. I'll send you one if you wish.

Brett Hoop
11-30-2017, 09:43 PM
Many nice and interesting rifles here to view! Perhaps it is me, but it does seem like Winchesters and Parkers share space in more than a few enthusiasts hearts.

Just yesterday while the deer movement was slow, I hatched a plan to next year take Barney's rifle out for some fresh air. The Pre - 64 Westerner Mdl. 70 264 Win mag. has been couped up too long. He bought that rifle brand new to take out west and he never made it. Thirty plus years back he admonished my friend and I not make that mistake .

Rich Anderson
12-01-2017, 08:25 AM
Brett I should shoot mine as well but have never gotten around to it. I have both the std and fwt and the fwt is IMHO about useless. The shorter barrel just barks and performance isn't as good as my 270.

Frank Srebro
12-01-2017, 11:42 AM
Rich some day you aught to try that M70 264 Featherweight on deer. Max velocity from the 22" FWT barrel might be about the same as your 270 (with similar bullet weights), but the 264's twist rate is 10% faster (1 in 9 versus 1 in 10 for the 270). The increased rpm’s and centrifugal force effect on the bullet when it strikes make it a deadly gun on whitetails and similar game. I've used a 264 Featherweight and I'm speaking from hunting experience. The muzzle blast wasn’t factor for me with the few shots taken while hunting.

Bill Zachow
12-01-2017, 05:30 PM
Edgar, not CCI but the old Winchester Super X shells with the crimped nose. Work realy good.

edgarspencer
12-01-2017, 08:07 PM
Bill, I know just which shells you mean, and I know I shot up the last I had. As I remember, they barely tickled the squirrels. The CCI with the blue capsule ends, are very hot in comparison.

Bill Zachow
12-02-2017, 05:16 PM
Edgar, a somewhat funny story about the gun and those shells. Wehad a bird feeder just outside our kitchen window. One day whem my grand daughter was visiting, a squirrel was on the feeder. I figured, like you, that I would only tickle the squirrel so I took the 61 and loaded a shotshell and told my grand daughter that I was going to scare him. I quietly went outside and peaked around the corner of the house. He was still on the feeder. Pulled up and shot--about 20 feet. Killed him deader than a doornail. Luckily, my grand daughter took it in stride. I was more shoked than her. Shortly thereafter, I targeted the gun and shot on a rusty 50 gallon drum. After seeing the pattern I knew what happened.

edgarspencer
12-02-2017, 05:36 PM
I had a similar experience, with the same fatal results.
I had always just dusted the little buggers, and finally ran out of the old crimp-nose shells. I bought a pack (expensive) and figured the same results were a given. Knocked him off the top of the feeder, and dead when he hit the ground. I kinda felt bad. Squirrels and I have an understanding; this is a game, and the winner is the one who controls the feeders. I've just gotten the feeders out, now that the bears have bunked down, and they were sitting on the top, laughing, the first day. There's a slinky with a plastic funnel on the bottom end. That keeps then from climbing up the pole, pushing the slinky. So they learned to jump onto the slinky above the funnel. So far I'm in the lead, because I just raise the funnel up so they can jump onto the slinky from the ground. I figure that bought me a few days at best.

Phil Yearout
12-03-2017, 03:07 PM
I like the wood on your 94 - what's the year of production?

I have one made, I think, in about '39 with some figure in the butt stock.

Dean, it's not all that old; 1978. I agree it does have a nice stick of wood compared to many.