Tom Marshall's Cashmore, Parker & Remington

[Drew Hause]

Thought I'd start a new thread since this is getting interesting :)

This photo at the ATA HOF is suppose to have been taken after his 1897 GAH at Live Birds victory using his Cashmore (with which he also won 1899)

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/278723593.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/278600572.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/278600571.jpg

But the receiver profile is unmistakable

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/358936135.jpg

Marshall used a Parker as captain of the victorious U.S. squad during the 1901 Anglo-American Competition
Scroll down a bit here for more information (and read the next Parker Pages)
https://docs.google.com/View?id=dfg2hmx7_309ckt6hmd4

Marshall thereafter was a U.M.C. rep. The 1904 Touring UMC Squad, included Marshall as Captain, R. O. Heikes, C. W. Budd, J. L. Head. T. E Hubby, W. H. Heer, J. T. Anthony, F. C. Riehl and E. D. Fulford; assisted by Frank Butler, and shot in 65 Southern Cities. The first five broke the five-man squad world's record by a score of 488X500 at Palestine, Texas.

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1904/VOL_42_NO_23/SL4223018.pdf
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1904/VOL_42_NO_25/SL4225019.pdf
The entire squad used Remington Trap Guns
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1904/VOL_42_NO_25/SL4225018.pdf

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/382625465.jpg

AND the U.M.C. squad and the DuPont/Winchester squad must have traveled together also - this pic is from 1905 with (left to right): Rolla Heikes, Jack Fanning, H.H. Stevens, Fred Gilbert, Tom Marshall (Captain), W.R. Crosby, W.H. Heer, Unknown

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19974446/383200164.jpg

In 1908 the squad was Annie Oakley, Thomas A. Marshall, W. H. Heer, George W. Maxwell, Col. Anthony, and Frank E. Butler representing U. M. C. and Remington Arms Companies.

This is a good shot of what looks to be a Remington taken in 1912: Banks, Powers, Heikes, Gilbert, Crosby & Marshall from Sporting Life March 8 1913

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1913/VOL_61_NO_01/SL6101017.PDF

[Dean Romig]

Drew, I believe the shooter on the far right that you have listed as "Unknown" is none other than Ansley H. Fox

[Drew Hause]

Fox was a Winchester rep using a 1897, but that looks to be a double gun Dean. The plots thickens further :banghead:

He was shooting for Winchester in 1902
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1902/VOL_39_NO_12/SL3912032.pdf

He was in the shoot off for the 1901 GAH at Live Birds using a Winchester
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1901/VOL_37_NO_04/SL3704018.pdf
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1901/VOL_37_NO_04/SL3704019.pdf
http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/SportingLife/1901/VOL_37_NO_04/SL3704021.pdf

[Christopher Lien]

Drew, The far right unknown in the photo looks like Frank Butler...

Best, CSL

[Bill Murphy]

Without checking reference material, I agree with Chris that it is Frank Butler. By the way, the Marshall presentation gun is a Cashmore Nitro model. I don't think the gun he shot in the two GAH victories was a Nitro model. The presentation gun has been outed and is apparently in a US collection at this time.

[Drew Hause]

I believe Chris and Bill are correct

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/391012351.jpg

[Bill Murphy]

I wonder if we can get the owner of the Tom Marshall Presentation Cashmore to post on here? This is an important gun and it should be "out there" for us to study.

[Drew Hause]

From the 1910 catalog courtesy of Daryl Hallquist

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/21690841/358936132.jpg

[Dave Noreen]

In late December 1904 Ansley resigned from Philadelphia Arms Co. and in 1905 was busy getting the A.H. Fox Gun Co. going. His days with Winchester were in 1900, 1901 and part of 1902.

[Dave Noreen]

In late December 1904 Ansley resigned from Philadelphia Arms Co. and in 1905 was busy getting the A.H. Fox Gun Co. going. His days with Winchester were in 1900, 1901 and part of 1902. He started out in 1900 representing Winchester's ammo but shooting a Parker. Along about August 1900, the big W got him shucking a Model 1897.

[Drew Hause]

April 14, 1917 Sporting Life
SELECTION OF TRAP GUN AN IMPORTANT POINT by T. A. Marshall

One of the essentials to be taken into consideration by anyone who would become a good trap shooter is the selection of the right gun one that fits the shooter and has the proper weight, drop, thickness and length of stock, trigger pull, etc. All of these things naturally depend upon the individual requirements of the person using the gun, therefore no set rules can be laid down.

An expert might do excellently with a gun unsuited to him because his knowledge how to shoot would compensate to a certain extent the ill-fit of the gun. A beginner, on the other hand, would be hopelessly handicapped under the same conditions. It is to be remembered that a clay target .must be hit solidly in order to break it, hence a close-shooting gun is a practical necessity. Generally speaking, a 12-guage gun weighing somewhere between 7 1/2 and 7 3/4 pounds is just about right for trap shooting. Experience has shown that guns of lighter weight are apt to give too heavy a recoil, or kick. Whether the gun be a single shot, a repeater or a double barrel gun, of course, is a matter of personal taste, as is also the make or style of the gun, although this fact must be borne in mind: Doubles cannot be shot with a single-barrel gun. The drop, thickness and length of the stock are features that from a personal standpoint demand serious consideration. In trap shooting experience has shown that the straight stock one that has very little drop is to be preferred. As to the matter of thickness, the main idea is to choose a stock that permits the shooter (when he puts the gun to his shoulder) to look comfortable and straight down the rib to the sight. If he cannot do this the gun does not fit him properly and a tendency to cross-shoot is very likely.

The length of the stock from the trigger to the center of the butt depends upon the length of the shooter’s arm; obviously a long-armed man necessarily must have a longer stock than the man with a short arm. Perhaps the simplest way to ascertain whether the gun is of proper length is to put the gun to your shoulder with your finger on the trigger as if about to shoot. Then with your finger still on the trigger remove the gun from your shoulder and let the butt lie in the hollow of your arm. If no change in the position of the trigger finger or the grip hand is required, it is safe to assume that the stock fits your arm, in so far as the detail of length is concerned.

Now to come to the trigger pull. This term applies to the amount of weight in pounds avoirdupois which is necessary to pull tho trigger when the gun is cocked and held in a perpendicular position. Due to the element of individuality that enters here, there can be no hard and fast rule regarding the proper amount of pull. This feature is governed by the shooter’s own requirements. On the whole, however, a trigger pull of from 4 to 4 1-2 pounds may be taken as about right for the average shooter.

Without growing too technical, the writer has in a practical way tried to touch on the more salient features in the proper selection of a gun for trap shooting, and, as we have stated before, much depends upon the individual and his personal requirements. If one is thinking seriously of purchasing a gun for trap shooting purposes, perhaps one of the best methods to adopt would be to try any gun that one’s trap shooting friends might care to lend for a temporary trial. In this way one is almost sure to find some particular gun with which he can do better work than with others, and thus he will naturally arrive at a definite basis from which to make a final selection.

Incidentally, here is another tip: Don’t show any hesitancy in asking the advice of the more experienced and expert trap shooter. Trap shooters as a rule are the most democratic of sportsmen and glad to help their fellow-trap shooters in every way possible. And this is especially true of expert professionals. Some of these latter gentlemen are equipped with try guns of especial design. These guns have stocks which by a simple arrangement of jam screws are a practical guarantee of true gun fit, because they admit of the gun stock being carefully adjusted in every respect to the individual shooter’s requirements.

[Bill Murphy]

It's been a while since we discussed Tom Marshall and his illustrious career. Does anyone know the gentleman who owns his "Grand American presentation Cashmore Nitro"? It would be nice to see a recent picture and more information on the gun.

[John Truitt]

What held true in 1917 still holds true today.

Well put Mr. Marshall

[Larry Frey]

[QUOTE=John Truitt;42382]What held true in 1917 still holds true today.


Except for the last paragraph where he states most trap shooters are Democrats.:duck:

[Bill Murphy]

Doesn't anyone here know the gentleman in New England who bought the Tom Marshall Grand American award gun?

[Christopher Lien]

Shhhhhhhhhh..... It's a secret...;)

[Dave Noreen]

The Democratic Party was the party of the NRA until FDR sold them out on the New York gun control law when he was Governor of New York State.