View Full Version : Jump On this rare Opportunity!
Mark Ray
10-24-2017, 11:18 AM
I know that I am going to create a mad rush for this gun, especially at this price!! Just hit GB today.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/711596679
Mills Morrison
10-24-2017, 11:21 AM
Don't everybody bid at once!:rotf:
Channing Will
10-24-2017, 11:29 AM
I'm surprised the seller didn't throw out a Wells Fargo coach gun claim in the description! What did Barnum say, there's a sucker born every minute?
Robert Brooks
10-24-2017, 11:30 AM
I went to GB fast to get in a bid but!!!!!!! Bobby
Mark Ray
10-24-2017, 11:31 AM
I mostly appreciate the information that there was just a "small run" (79,000) of Parker's produced with Vulcan Steel barrels....I guess 1/3rd of the total Parker production is considered a small run.
Love the guys that "make up facts"
Kenny Graft
10-24-2017, 11:40 AM
Oh...we must think positive...(-: SXS Ohio
Brian Dudley
10-24-2017, 11:56 AM
I am not sure which feature is it’s rarest. The bolted head or the cut barrels. Must be both that are driving the price up.
Mark Ray
10-24-2017, 11:59 AM
My main criticism is that the bolt in the headstock is not timed correctly.
Gerald McPherson
10-24-2017, 12:53 PM
Almost cowboy ready too!!!!!!
Rick Losey
10-24-2017, 01:07 PM
"Our staff members have unique knowledge obtained through their real world military and law enforcement experience. We are passionate about firearms and enjoy sharing our skills and expertise "
And thanks for sharing
Brian Dudley
10-24-2017, 01:09 PM
I thought it may be interesting to ask the seller what he thought was rare about a VH with cut barrels and a bolted stock. See the sellers reply below... lol.
“Bless your heart. I see you are new in guns. I recommend you buy a blue book of gun values and start reading there. Go to 40-45 gun shows a year and buy/sell at least 500k on gunbroker and you will start to understand what is rare and what isn't. Please let us know if you have anymore questions”
Mills Morrison
10-24-2017, 01:10 PM
Guess I am new too
Rick Losey
10-24-2017, 01:13 PM
I do remember some southern lady who said her mother told her not to curse
So instead of saying @&$% you.
She was told to respond with something standard
Like
"Bless your heart ". :rotf:
Dave Tatman
10-24-2017, 01:59 PM
Now THAT'S funny - I don't care who you are, as Larry the Cable Guy would say....
Telling Brian Dudley that he is "new in guns...." Sheesh.
Thanks for sharing that, Brian, and thanks to all for a post to put a smile on your face!
Dave
Brian Dudley
10-24-2017, 02:02 PM
He just thought I was another ignorant buyer who was going to believe his BS. I am upset though that he still did not tell me what was SO rare about it. Since I do have a copy of the Blue Book, and I do attend gun shows. Wait... I don't have a 500+ Gunbroker rating. Only 368. THAT must be it!
Mills Morrison
10-24-2017, 02:06 PM
He could have said there are no 20.5 inch VH's in the book and that it was specially ordered by Billy the Kid
Mark Ray
10-24-2017, 02:45 PM
Or that the dent in the barrel was from Pat Garret's bullet after it perforated Billy!
James L. Martin
10-24-2017, 02:49 PM
Guess the seller is hoping P.T. Barnum was right when he said " There's a sucker born every minute "
Rick Losey
10-24-2017, 02:56 PM
Never give a sucker an even break or smarten up a chump
W. C. Fields
Mark Ray
10-24-2017, 03:11 PM
"Wow, that gun does not have a Wells Fargo stamp or tag, or maybe a Pinkerton tag on it anywhere does it? It looks like it was a "coach gun". What is the screw in the wood behind the action for? Thanks!'"
Brian, you are a bad influence....couldn't resist sending the seller this question....cant wait to see their sage reply!
Mills Morrison
10-24-2017, 03:14 PM
:biglaugh:
Dave Noreen
10-24-2017, 03:39 PM
that it was specially ordered by Billy the Kid
Me thinks Billy was dead and buried before Vulcan Steel came out.
What I find "rare" about that Parker Bros. is that the screw slots are as nice as they are!!
Chad Hefflinger
10-24-2017, 06:30 PM
Too bad there is a repair spot near the hand guard just below the removal lever, or I may have been interested....
todd allen
10-24-2017, 11:20 PM
Oh Em Gee! The value of my collection just tripled!
Drew Hause
10-25-2017, 09:19 AM
Possibly Bro. Dudley could 'splain how the expert wood repair was accomplished with a slotted screw head in both sides of the stock?!?
http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/15127852/413614515.jpg
And so nicely inlet and indexed ;)
http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/15127852/413614514.jpg
Maybe this fella has refined his proprietary technique? Where DID that little screw go anyway? :(
http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/15127852/410617110.jpg
Mark Ray
10-25-2017, 09:55 AM
I doubt Brian can do that, according to the seller he is not qualified.
Dean Romig
10-25-2017, 09:58 AM
Just like the later slotted hinge pin, one side has a screw with a male thread and the opposing side has a screw with a female thread.
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Mark Ray
10-26-2017, 11:18 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/712314295
They must be related to this guy!
Mills Morrison
10-26-2017, 11:20 AM
I got an email from Gunbroker saying the Parker was worth more than a once-over. Guess Gunbroker likes the gun
Mark Ray
10-26-2017, 11:30 AM
yup, got that one also! cracks me up!
Rick Losey
10-26-2017, 11:33 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/712314295
They must be related to this guy!
Why? I don't see the over the top description of the Parker in this Elsie
Austin J Hawthorne Jr.
10-26-2017, 06:16 PM
I'll kick in $1.00, and if there are 1,998 other members interested....we can share it.
Mark Ray
11-01-2017, 11:44 AM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714059117
Another beauty!!!! A bargain at twice the price....book says it is a 30" stagecoach gun...
Mills Morrison
11-01-2017, 12:36 PM
The value must go up, the shorter the barrels are.
Eric Eis
11-01-2017, 01:27 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714059117
Another beauty!!!! A bargain at twice the price....book says it is a 30" stagecoach gun...
That one even has the rarer blued locks......:rotf:
Mills Morrison
11-01-2017, 02:06 PM
The seller says it's a D grade, but it is not
Rick Losey
11-01-2017, 02:15 PM
Well
He also says its a "coach" model
Bob Brown
11-01-2017, 04:08 PM
That last one made me laugh out loud. Thanks for posting it.
John Allen
11-01-2017, 06:19 PM
You can't fix stupid!
George Lander
11-02-2017, 11:37 AM
Oh Shucks: The bidding time has expired with no bids. I've missed out again!
Best Regards, George
Mark Ray
11-07-2017, 06:44 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/714187198
I sure am glad he included the letter! The gun in the pics bears little resemblance to the gun in the letter which bears little resemblance to the gun in the description!
Mills Morrison
11-07-2017, 06:48 PM
Some real winners out there on gunbroker
Mark Ray
11-07-2017, 09:41 PM
Sellers response......
Serial numbers match in letter and on gun. Letter does indicate gun may have been repaired or reconfigured, but records do not exist.
So, different stock, sling attachments gone, etc
Kirk Potter
11-10-2017, 12:46 PM
Another.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/715836293
Bob Brown
11-10-2017, 05:41 PM
I'd like to see some photos of SN 216579, which is the gun in the description. SN 157588 is the gun in the photos. 216579 sounds very nice.
Jerry Harlow
11-10-2017, 10:47 PM
The seller says it's a D grade, but it is not
D As in Disaster grade.
Mark Ray
11-11-2017, 08:41 AM
Definitely the funniest looking Miller trigger I have ever seen! But I really like the Total Hot Blue look! Makes me think of some REAL high quality doubles, like a nice Savage Fox BSE!
Mark Ray
11-13-2017, 09:32 PM
Given my almost insane error buying a 16gh on saturday, i should not be pointing fingers. BUT! THIS IS NUTS!!
GB 717463694
Kirk Potter
11-13-2017, 10:03 PM
Given my almost insane error buying a 16gh on saturday, i should not be pointing fingers. BUT! THIS IS NUTS!!
GB 717463694
What the hell....
Mills Morrison
11-14-2017, 06:15 AM
Amazing
Mark Ray
11-14-2017, 11:15 PM
GB 717712403
And they just keep on coming!
Mills Morrison
11-15-2017, 03:00 PM
There is a listing on Gunsinternational. Think it is a VH 16. The bore condition is described as "sewer pipe." Yikes. At least the seller is honest
Brian Dudley
11-15-2017, 04:27 PM
I never knew that hot bluing adds so much value.
Mark Ray
11-15-2017, 04:36 PM
Brian....Maybe you should invest in a Birchwood Casey bluing kit from WalMart...could be a whole new profitable line for you!!!
Mills Morrison
11-15-2017, 04:39 PM
Maybe the guy thought it was a Model 21 and saw the big prices they ask for them
Brian Dudley
11-15-2017, 04:39 PM
And a buffing wheel.
Tom Jay
11-15-2017, 09:30 PM
Check out GB 717797412
Mills Morrison
11-15-2017, 09:35 PM
That is an ugly one for sure
Dean Romig
11-15-2017, 09:43 PM
But the screws are virtually untouched!!
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Mark Ray
11-15-2017, 11:07 PM
Oh come on!!! Someone has to bid just to see what the reserve is!
Mills Morrison
11-16-2017, 10:51 AM
Ok, I went. Those parts are worth something
Jay Gardner
11-16-2017, 11:43 AM
With all that stippling it must have been a special order.
Bill Holcombe
11-16-2017, 11:46 AM
how do you look up auctions by number? tried putting them in the advanced search and got nothing.
Russ Jackson
11-16-2017, 11:57 AM
Just do a regular search and it should come up !
Kirk Potter
11-16-2017, 12:05 PM
I actually bid on that a few months ago, thought about using it for a custom build that I keep thinking of doing.
Bill Holcombe
11-16-2017, 12:17 PM
Check out GB 717797412
Well, some of the 1911 guys I run with swear stippling gives a better grip.....
Bill Holcombe
11-16-2017, 12:19 PM
Just do a regular search and it should come up !
thanks, I thought you had to include the GB
Mark Ray
11-16-2017, 12:53 PM
You guys don't recognize the limited edition "arts and crafts special"!!??
Bill Holcombe
11-16-2017, 01:11 PM
You guys don't recognize the limited edition "arts and crafts special"!!??
Everytime I look at it I just think worms got into the wood. So not only is it ugly.....I find it fairly disgusting.
Todd Poer
11-16-2017, 03:09 PM
Wow, you gotta love the originality of them trying to cover up a split stock. You can even make out a star pattern over the plug on both sides of stock. To complete the ruse had to do it on forearm.
Definitely could be a project gun to replace wood work if action and barrels check out. Hey Parkers never shoot loose. Right now its not worth much more than a boat paddle. I'd bet you could beat a woodchuck to death with that gun.
Brian Dudley
11-18-2017, 08:22 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/717837619
Here is a nice “restoration”. They blued the cocking hook instead of the trigger guard.
I am thinking that with an unknown reserve, none of us can afford it.
Mark Ray
11-18-2017, 08:30 PM
I particularly enjoy the exceedingly rare basket weave Remington BDL forearm contrast checkering.
Brian Dudley
11-18-2017, 08:40 PM
Well, the barrels are aftermarket and by the looks of it, they used a different style forend lug on it, and then they restrofitted a push button style forend latching with the Parker forend iron. Hey... do what you got to do i guess.
wayne goerres
11-18-2017, 09:31 PM
Its a one of a kind.
Bill Holcombe
11-20-2017, 05:33 PM
Hate to say it but I found a very unique superposed that tops all of these I believe.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/717698329
Brian Dudley
11-20-2017, 05:41 PM
There is nothing wrong with that browning as compared to many of the other guns discussed here. It is truthfully advertised and pretty appropriately priced.
Bill Holcombe
11-20-2017, 06:13 PM
Sorry I was going more for vondition I guess then advertising
Mills Morrison
11-20-2017, 06:19 PM
At least the start price is not too bad
Tom Jay
11-20-2017, 06:34 PM
The gun description got me at JB Weld. That forend isn’t going anywhere.
Mark Ray
12-10-2017, 08:58 PM
OUCH!!
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/726426345
Mills Morrison
12-11-2017, 09:56 AM
Yikes! Another winner. Not even a Parker too.
For truth in advertising, check out this line from a description of an LC Smith 20 gauge:
Don't get too excited just yet. This thing is a train wreck. Stock is messed up, barrels are pitted, looks like someone tried to fix the outside, ejectors however, with all the parts, it's just kinda of a parts gun, with possibilities I guess, so the first $450.00 gets it.
Mark Ray
12-31-2017, 09:28 PM
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734046498
I really need to stay off the auction sites!!
Love the description, especially the rare origial borderless checkering.
Mark Ray
01-14-2018, 10:53 AM
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/738435632
Just no comment
Mills Morrison
01-14-2018, 10:56 AM
Good grief
John Dallas
01-14-2018, 12:41 PM
There must have been a lot of stagecoaches running around out there
Mike Koneski
01-14-2018, 03:29 PM
$5K for a gun with 20" bbls!!!! Now that is funny!! :rotf:
Eric Eis
01-17-2018, 06:23 AM
We need to update the Parker Story and include the Stagecoach Model......I just checked and it's doesn't have a chapter about this special model..........
Todd Poer
01-17-2018, 08:39 AM
I guess there was a time when there just wasn't a whole lot of black guns running around but someone wanted protection of home, there small shop, etc. They are not thinking about the future value and they just did not need a long barreled sxs. Most people think in the here and now and at that time they were convinced cutting off the barrell to make it less wieldly and open up the pattern for close range was more important that chasing birds with that gun anymore.
Heck probably a lot of these guns that are sawed off might of already had broken or damaged stocks and the sawing off the barrel was just an adaptive reuse since it might only need to be shot one more time and they were not to worried about that stock and gun value. They were probably relatively cheap, plentiful, reliable and very effective, heck there was even a time when it was illegal to own a shotgun that had less than x inch of barrels because so effective and relatively easy to conceal and shoot.
Most people need training and practice to shoot a hand gun reasonably well, not so much with a sawed off shotgun. I think with advent of more black guns for self defense the old saw off shotguns are now coming out and since they say Parker on them they think there is a huge premium and that we will overlook the damage and adaptive reuse to get the brand.
Here is a question for home defense, which gun would you reach for?
Mark Ray
01-17-2018, 09:09 AM
No one in the house, or near my house for that matter but Robin and I. Sig P220 .45, and aan AR Carbine in .300 Blackout. I’m chuckling as I write this, but on Robins side of the bed, (I travel a lot) is a savage fox 12 gauge BE with barrels cut to 18 1/8th!, with the stock cut to pistol, and a 30 rd .22 magnum automatic, the make of which escapes me at the moment.
However, should I ever decide to place the fox on GunBroker, I suppose I should describe it as the “gangbanger” model and ask a couple of grand for it!
John Dallas
01-17-2018, 09:14 AM
I'd like to find a app for my phone which represents the slam closing of a pump shotgun
Mills Morrison
01-17-2018, 09:27 AM
Yes, I love my doubles and all, but there is nothing like the shock and awe value of clicking a pump gun right before you fire.
Todd Poer
01-17-2018, 09:51 AM
I'd like to find a app for my phone which represents the slam closing of a pump shotgun
An empty gun is not of much use, unless its a pump shotgun. Anyone that knows that sound and hears that action knows what it means. I'd say its the next best thing to a warning shot, without being a warning shot. It also has a distinct sound for when that shell rattles around and then hits the tube as opposed to just working the action.
I have Browning BPS turkey gun with synthetic stock that has a 25 inch barrel, and day glow sites. It can shoot 3.5 inch shells and I keep two in the magazine with #4 shot and I have a cylinder choke in it.
I even have a script that I have practiced in my mind. Work the action loudly and aggressively, and then tell them I have a gun and have already called the police. If they have not already left the premises at that point I figure its go time.
John Allen
01-17-2018, 09:54 AM
Working the action on a pump gun is like hearing a rattlesnake.When you hear it you know exactly what it is and start looking for an exit.
Rick Losey
01-17-2018, 11:37 AM
Working the action on a pump gun is like hearing a rattlesnake.When you hear it you know exactly what it is and start looking for an exit.
many many years ago- someone was trying to break into house i had then
as i kicked the front door to the porch open i racked the foreend on the pump gun i had then-
whoever it was ran full speed into an August cornfield and kept going- that cannot have felt good :corn:
Mills Morrison
01-17-2018, 11:40 AM
The click of a pump gun and the rattle of a rattlesnake are two sounds that you never forget, once you hear once.
Robin Lewis
01-17-2018, 11:41 AM
I'd like to find a app for my phone which represents the slam closing of a pump shotgun
Here is one, I'm sure there are others..... :corn:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.progimax.shotgun.free&hl=en
Mark Ray
01-17-2018, 12:43 PM
Ill stick with easing off the safety toggle on the AR, or if time, easing the hammer back on my SIG so that round 1 is SA. In a "middle of the night" scenario, and someone kicks in your bedroom door, there is no time to fumble for a slide release, and chamber a round. And even if you did have that luxury of time, in a dark house, you just let someone know that #1 you are there, and where you are. An intruder jacked up on crack or PCP is just as likely to begin throwing lead AT the sound as run.
One of my good friends that knows that I have carried concealed for 20 years once asked me, "you don't carry that thing with a round in the chamber do you?", my reply was, that if I am going to carry something for self defense all of the time that weighs 2 pounds, and I was not carrying it in battery, then I might as well carry a brick, as there are no rules or licensing regarding the possession of a brick, and in a typical self defense situation, a brick is at least as effective as a gun not in battery, mavbe more! because the bad guy might not shoot or stab you for brandishing a brick, but most certainly might if you fumble with a pistol trying to "rack the slide".
While I totally support the expansion of the concealed carry opportunities in this country, I am also of the opinion that the general public, is woefully under trained and ill informed about the actual process of carrying a defensive firearm. They rely on their in depth knowledge of firearms thru television cop shows, where the officer gets out of the car and "racks the slide" on his piece before knocking on a door. In the vast majority of forces, you would receive a write up in your file if another office discovered that you were not carrying "in battery". That is the reason so many departments have gone to DA only, or striker fired pistols, in lieu of 1911's, as in order to be truly in battery, a 1911 must be carried "cocked and locked", and it freaks "Joe Citizen" out when they see that pistol in an Officers holster with the hammer jacked back. Not knowing that that gun is no less ready to go, that the guy next to him with a glock.
All of the above though is not nearly as important as a good home security system and plan, good self awareness and situational awareness. Staying away from trouble is the best plan!!
Mike Koneski
01-17-2018, 06:50 PM
We need to update the Parker Story and include the Stagecoach Model......I just checked and it's doesn't have a chapter about this special model..........
Eric, get Richie cracking on that new chapter on this new found Parker history!! I’m sure he could spin a good yarn on the “Parker Coach Gun”.
Russell E. Cleary
01-19-2018, 09:15 AM
Hollywood loves the "...shock and awe value of clicking a pump gun...", as well. And exploits it at every opportunity. It does so the extent where, as the miscreant aggressor makes each additional incremental, menacing step forward, the armed defender just works the clashing slide yet again! In movie-land, if it the sound makes for a stand-alone mini-dramatic moment, why limit the sound of chambering yet another round to just once?
When my father was first issued a permit to carry a firearm for defensive purposes, at the conclusion of the interview, he asked the issuing officer how best to stop an aggressor. In a life-threatening situation, should he (mercifully) fire at a shoulder or limb, so as to avoid any loss of life? The police officer quickly stopped that train of thought and just said...."between the eyes".
REC
Dean Romig
01-19-2018, 09:34 AM
Hollywood loves the "...shock and awe value of clicking a pump gun...", as well. And exploits it at every opportunity. It does so the extent where, as the miscreant aggressor makes each additional incremental, menacing step forward, the armed defender just works the clashing slide yet again! In movie-land, if it the sound makes for a stand-alone mini-dramatic moment, why limit the sound of chambering yet another round to just once?
To further illustrate the "Hollywood/Liberal" mindset, if a Parker had black Ryanite stock and forend it becomes an 'assault weapon' simply because of how it looks... and they would want to take it away from us.
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John Allen
01-19-2018, 10:09 AM
Dean,they want to take the Parkers anyway.I had an ATF agent stand in my store and tell me "I know you don't sell guns used in crime.I don't care.A gun is a gun to us."That is a direct quote word for word.They want them all.
Todd Poer
01-19-2018, 10:50 AM
I know I will rile someone and I actually know some ATF agents. Did some work for GSA so bumped into alot of the federal agencies like ICE, FBI, IRS, Bureau of mine safety, ATF. Still just not to certain how valid that agency is anymore. There was a time with bootlegging, tobacco wars and firearms when that agency was created because other law enforcement could not handle. I just think that its operations could be absorbed into other agencies now.
Same thing with ICE and Border Patrol. They basically do almost the same thing its just that Border Patrol jurisdiction is 5 miles from a border, ICE has everywhere else. They actually have redound-it operations in close proximity that each work at about half capacity but they will not combine operations, its maddening to see as a tax payer.
Rick Losey
01-19-2018, 11:52 AM
The police officer quickly stopped that train of thought and just said...."between the eyes"
REC
A small moving target under stress ?
Anyone giving realistic advice will say center mass
As for racking the pump gun. These are the same Hollywierd folks that always have to work the slide on a pistol to chamber a round when they draw :rotf:
Brett Souder
01-19-2018, 03:10 PM
My Grandmother stopped a drug addict in her own home in the early morning hours. Her house was the third break in on the street that night and when my uncle got up to use the restroom in the middle of the night without turning on the lights he bumped into the man in the hallway in the dark and they proceeded to wrestle and fight when my grandmother grabbed the model 12 from the gun rack over her dresser, pumped the gun to chamber first round and pointed at the mans head and he froze like ice till the police came and took him away. You don't mess with a woman raised in Hazard County Ky.
Mills Morrison
01-19-2018, 07:58 PM
My son and I were talking about two new Gunbroker buys (Ithaca and 1 grade Parker ). He asks if I had to pay for the guns. I told him yes. He says but wait a minute, you said you won the guns. I didn’t think you had to pay for things you won. . . . Boy, if only
Mark Ray
01-19-2018, 08:57 PM
Yeah um, Robin and I have had that discussion a number of times! Funny, I “win” more GunBroker sales in the later evening, when Turkey 101 or Antique Welder are my partners! One of these days I am going to have a “whiskey auction” of the mis-fits in my collection that have been purchased under the influence! A highly customized Crescent 12 bore, with a top grade Fajen replacement straight grip stock, and super glossy hot blued barrels. A real winner!
wayne goerres
01-19-2018, 09:27 PM
Boy I can't wait.
Phillip Carr
01-19-2018, 10:51 PM
“””Same thing with ICE and Border Patrol. They basically do almost the same thing its just that Border Patrol jurisdiction is 5 miles from a border, ICE has everywhere else. They actually have redound-it operations in close proximity that each work at about half capacity but they will not combine operations, its maddening to see as a tax payer.””
Before you get too upset you might want to check your facts. Not sure where you get this 5 mile jurisdiction but thats not correct.
Mark Ray
01-19-2018, 11:04 PM
I have lived deep in “Border Patrol” territory almost my entire life. They have no “jurisdiction” limitations other than the entire continental US, and their duties are vastly greater than those of ICE. In addition, in all of the border states with Mexico, they are supported by State Police. They are the first barrier to drugs, human trafficing, and political and terrorist subversion we have.
Todd Poer
01-20-2018, 11:54 AM
I am fan of the servants in both agencies and what they do to protect us. They are all Federal officers and have arrest powers across certain so called charges of operations. No debate. I have not gone into a deep dive into organizations and limitations or guidelines but know they roll up into Homeland Security. It was explained to me by an ICE section chief and agents a few years ago what they do and what border patrol is suppose to do, and they told me about Border Patrols is the first 5 miles guideline bit. I have no doubt that BP is involved in operations outside of that area and I know they will combine forces for joint raids anywhere in the US as needed. Not wanting to demean anyone in either organization but that is how/what it was explained to me. Not taking a side.
I have worked with many government agencies and you have to understand that servants in each are advocates for their agency. They all have to fight and argue regarding justification for funding of their agency and operations when it comes to budgets and funding on the Hill, aka as budget crisis and shutdown we are faced with as of today. I also know these rolls and operational guidelines shift as well due to budget issues.
Not wanting to open a can of worms again but my point is that there is so much overlap in some agencies that does not make sense to continue to operate in the way they have as a government entity or from a business decision standpoint. It is a bureaucratic madness. My original point was about ATF. I am just not certain its operations can not be broken down and absorbed into some other agency. Some one made the point that Border Patrol was first line of defense for illegal drugs and guns and probably so which is just another bullet point to the statement.
Anyway, I know its complex and many other interests and points of view but just stepping back and taking a high level view is maddening and confusing.
Mark Ray
02-14-2018, 11:42 PM
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/747928754
Holy Smokes!!
Dean Romig
02-15-2018, 07:25 AM
It's hard to even see the gun through all the red flags that are popping up.
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Todd Poer
02-15-2018, 07:36 AM
Well its definitely not a collectible gun and not certain about it being a shooter. Hard to tell if they underpaid or overpaid for that one. I can't figure whats going on with those barrels and that seam near the patched break in the rib. BTw have you guys seen break in the scroll work like that at what appears to be a seam in the barrel?
That one could be almost to the point where you spray the whole gun black and hang it near the ceiling of the foyer entrance to Pat O Briens in the French Quarter for the drunks to look at. Just took another look it may not be that bad but yes from a far it looks okay but up close in photos there are lots of questions. I guess the receiver, action and forend are worth something not certain about barrels.
Rick Losey
02-15-2018, 08:01 AM
"The firearm is all matching expect for the barrel set. However there are original Parker Bros barrel that is of the era."
and in what era did Parker sleeve barrels
maybe - someone with "tactical" in their name is not an expert on doubles
Mark Ray
02-15-2018, 08:07 AM
A sleeve job where the rib was not re laid? Almost looked like the tubes were simply butt welded together. And make sure and zoom in in the stock, literally looks like a jigsaw puzzle.
Todd Poer
02-15-2018, 08:28 AM
A sleeve job where the rib was not re laid? Almost looked like the tubes were simply butt welded together. And make sure and zoom in in the stock, literally looks like a jigsaw puzzle.
That is what I thought I was seeing, so the chambers are damascus or laminated and the barrels are fluid steel?
I see the forend has a piece scabbed into it as well. I will have to say though, someone did go through a lot of trouble to put that stock back together. I mean it almost looks like a humpty dumpty gun that someone left that gun on the top of car and drove off and then came back to pick up all the parts and put it back together.
Starting to feel bad. Just a wild speculation but I'll bet whoever did that work owned that gun and had limited means and was sick at their stomach while putting it back together. If they did butt weld barrels together right at the forcing cones they must have been very skilled, knowledgeable or lucky.
Mark Ray
02-15-2018, 10:37 AM
It gets better!!!
Parker Gun # 146057 is V grade, Capped Pistol, 16 bore with 28" barrels...
Mills Morrison
02-15-2018, 10:38 AM
Gunbroker just emailed me saying this gun is worth more than a "once over". I think I will pass
Mark Ray
02-15-2018, 10:43 AM
That is what I thought I was seeing, so the chambers are damascus or laminated and the barrels are fluid steel?
I see the forend has a piece scabbed into it as well. I will have to say though, someone did go through a lot of trouble to put that stock back together. I mean it almost looks like a humpty dumpty gun that someone left that gun on the top of car and drove off and then came back to pick up all the parts and put it back together.
Starting to feel bad. Just a wild speculation but I'll bet whoever did that work owned that gun and had limited means and was sick at their stomach while putting it back together. If they did butt weld barrels together right at the forcing cones they must have been very skilled, knowledgeable or lucky.
"I have for sale a Parker VH Grade 12ga shotgun. This one has 26" barrels on it. This one is in very good shape the bluing on this shotgun are beautiful. There is light wear in places but its minor. The wood stock looks very good with only minor handling wear. "
John Allen
02-15-2018, 02:52 PM
If they gave the gun to you,you would lose money on it.
wayne goerres
02-15-2018, 03:08 PM
You would be upside down with the shipping.
Mark Ray
04-10-2018, 04:48 PM
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/763638452
I just cannot help myself.
..emailed seller for pics and serial number..
204301 PP 12 capped pistol 28"
Mills Morrison
04-22-2018, 01:12 PM
Rant. If I had a gun on Gunbroker at what seems to be a reasonable price and it has sat forever with no bids and someone asks a reasonable question, I think I would answer them very happily. Hate Gunbroker sellers that don't respond to questions.
Kirk Potter
04-22-2018, 01:34 PM
Rant. If I had a gun on Gunbroker at what seems to be a reasonable price and it has sat forever with no bids and someone asks a reasonable question, I think I would answer them very happily. Hate Gunbroker sellers that don't respond to questions.
I kept seeing the same Parker on Gunbroker for 6+ months.. The listing only had 3 or 4 not very good quality photos. Finally, I decided to email the seller asking if I could get some more photos.. Response: Nope, no more photos.. ??
Mills Morrison
04-22-2018, 01:53 PM
It is annoying. If I ask a question, chances are I want the gun and no response just throws away a sale
Kirk Potter
04-28-2018, 03:21 PM
Well, here we go again.. Can I get some some better pictures of the $5,000+ shotgun you’re selling?
“Sir, unfortunately that's the best we can do. Thank you.”
Mills Morrison
05-30-2018, 01:39 PM
Gotta love all the Parker stocks and fore ends on Ebay that have no mention of frame size.
Kirk Potter
06-13-2018, 06:30 PM
Only $12K for this CHE with rare special order vulcan steel barrels!
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/1903-parker-che-12ga-excellent-condition-rare.cfm?gun_id=101051947
Jerry VanHorn
06-14-2018, 10:27 AM
For kicks...I asked the seller if the barrel SN matched the forend and receiver..He replied immediately with YES..and that it was a special order..and he's waiting on a letter from PGCA..??
Brian Dudley
06-14-2018, 10:46 AM
Special order... not really. But... a replacement set of barrels added later on and ordered that way... completely plausible.
An observation to support this are the high grade bands around the breech of the barrels.
An observation to to the contrary is the horrible fit of the rib extension, ejector stop plate and ejector kickers.
So... you got me. ???
Mark Ray
06-16-2018, 10:54 PM
https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/parker-12ga-1-5-frame-26-quot-barrel-parker-shotgun.cfm?gun_id=101053524
You too can own these “original” Parker Belgian barrels for a paltry $600, oh, and the blued 1 frame receiver and stock are available should you desire for an extra charge.
Brian Dudley
06-17-2018, 08:01 PM
Nowhere does it say the barrels are original...
Mark Ray
06-17-2018, 10:50 PM
I based that on the sellers statement that the “brand” of the barrels were Parker.
Mills Morrison
06-18-2018, 09:34 AM
Yikes! Hot bluing old doubles seems to be popular on Gunbroker
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