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Chuck Bishop
09-25-2017, 07:53 AM
Well, it was certainly a challenge:eek: As has been stated, the Fox guys had enough shooters to make the 5 team limit however they couldn't get them all to show up for the shootoff. 3 showed up at the 5 stand at 3:00pm. We waited for 20 minutes and after searching for the other 2, we finally found 1 of them. What to do? Basically the Fox team should have forfeited the shootoff and the cup, but Parker being magnanimous and feeling sorry for those guys from Philly let them shoot with only 4 shooters and let of them shoot an extra 25 targets so both teams shot at 125 total. Parker shot first and shot an 86. Fox shot their normal rotation shooting at a total of 100 targets. Now they had to make up the additional 25 targets. The result came down to the wire and Parker eeked out the win by a score of 86 for team Parker and 83 for team Fox.
Mills Morrison
09-25-2017, 04:26 PM
Cool! Looks like a good time
Steve Cambria
09-25-2017, 08:04 PM
Chuck, you are correct sir, we should have conceded the match. What transpired from the Philly side of the tracks this weekend (and last) was simply inexcusable. Our lack of effort/participation was not worthy of such an esteemed contest. I sincerely hope the Fox membership kept the asbestos panties from their welcome packet because tomorrow morning they're going to need 'em. :cuss:
Fortunately, the FPC trophy is out of my hands, for I'd fire-up my neighbor's Bobcat and bury it in a six foot hole. Getting a bit tired of pi**ing into a 70-knot headwind here, but I guess that's just the Sicilian in me mouthing off.
Kudos to K-MaC for handling our booth and especially to the scant few men in blue (Smitty-Allen-Daryl- Alan) who bothered to show, and who shot damn well, despite the gyrations caused from the missing-man syndrome.
I'd like to say we'll see you next year but at this juncture that's a crap shoot at best. Again, congrats on the win.--SC
John Truitt
09-25-2017, 09:32 PM
I disagree about forfeiting/ conceding the shoot.
The shooters got together and discussed on how to make it happen. Guys from both sides met and discussed a mutual agreement so the shoot could go on. I say good on the Fox shooters for finding a way to make it happen and for having the balls to go out there and give it a go.
I have no opinion or dog in the fight to tell you all what to do with the shoot next year but you should know several folks watched. It drew a crowd and there were some great shooters in the crowd who stated they would have their foxes ready for next years event.
Hope you can find common ground for the event. But again well done to the fox foursome for going out on the line for their team and organization.
Oh and by the way. Two of the fox guys were shooting 20 gauges. And they shoot them very very well. Yeah the score may show 86 to 83 but IMO the fox guys won it in a different way. Well done fellas.
Daryl Corona
09-26-2017, 06:41 AM
Thanks John. They do call it the "Challenge" for a reason. I think the agreement between the Fox gentlemen and the Parker gentlemen to go ahead with the Challenge truly exemplifies what this is all about. And I use the term gentlemen in the most respectable way. You are correct in that Fox may have lost by 3 targets but it will be the most memorable shootoff I've ever been in. We'll be talking about this one when we are in our rockers on the front porch.
Also thanks for the compliment on the 20 gauges. I've never felt handicapped with just 3/4 oz. of shot and I think that Allan felt the same way although he may have been shooting 7/8 oz. You dance with the girl you brought.
I'm a Fox and a Parker guy. I just want to see this tradition carry on and as Parker had never won the Challenge until now, congratulations.
But I must tell you there are rumors about our 5th shooter being detained by a high ranking Parker official somewhere in the dense woods around station 9. Can't confirm that but the local Sheriff is investigating the grisly details.:)
Mike Koneski
09-26-2017, 09:37 PM
Congrats Team Parker!!! Well done guys!!
Pete Lester
09-27-2017, 06:55 AM
I am curious, what was attendance like at this shoot? I read Tool Man's rant on the Fox collectors site. Is the problem of having difficulty fielding a makers team related to the time of year the shoot was scheduled or is it related to fewer people shooting classic double guns overall? Or is it related to teams usually being made up of same good shooters discouraging others and or people who enjoy shooting but don't want the pressure of having to compete. I don't remember this being a problem at Hausman's when the FPC was held there, was moving the FPC a bad move? I do think we are a small group of people interested in all the old doubles and as the veterans age out we are not being replaced.
Daryl Corona
09-27-2017, 08:14 AM
Pete;
Bottom line. The Fox team had 5 shooters and a alternate. Four shooters showed up to shoot but we could'nt locate the 5th shooter or the alternate. They left and /or we could'nt find them at the start of the challenge. Attendance was'nt huge but the challenge is a new concept at this shoot, unlike Hausmann's where it was established, and if given time will establish a following. The missing shooters just were'nt aware of the program.
The reason the shoot was moved from Hausmann's to Hopkin's was to attract more Parker shooters. What the Fox team shot against was the A team Parker shooters from the Southern -Parker/Smith challenge. Just look at the names on the leader-board posted somewhere on this forum. As far as challenges go- this was one for the record books but it's not the end of the world as we know it.
Chuck Bishop
09-27-2017, 11:28 AM
Just to be accurate, the Fox team had 3 shooters show up on time for the shootoff. After about 15 to 20 minutes of searching, we located the 4th shooter. Made for a long wait for everyone to get the shootoff started.
Mills Morrison
09-27-2017, 11:44 AM
Out of curiosity, how many total shooters were there for each team in the qualifying rounds?
Pete Lester
09-27-2017, 08:19 PM
Congratulations to team Parker. There is only one name on the team I recognize, I guess I need to get out more.
Bill Murphy
09-28-2017, 10:00 AM
So, as I understand it, only six people shot the qualifying rounds? There must have been a couple of AHFCA Board Members who did not participate.
Frank Srebro
09-28-2017, 11:26 AM
For perspective: in 2010 at Pintail Point just down the road from Hopkins, 23 Fox shooters vied in the Ansley H Fox Championship. That's just the count of those who signed up and paid $15.00 extra per gun besides the cost of the 50 bird American Classic event. I don't have the exact 2010 Fox membership number but it was probably about 250 at that time. Hence about 9% of the Fox members stepped up to compete. Food for thought by those organizing S x S shoots ..... there's a percentage of the collector associations' rosters that do enjoy competition shooting, but there must be something that "adds value" to being at the X, Y or Z shoot when one considers the money spent on travel, hotels, food and shooting multiple sub events at something like $1.00 per clay. IMO, just organizing a SxS shoot with limited vendors and likely low attendance by buds in your organization ain't gonna cut it for most who have to travel any distance.
Steve Cambria
09-29-2017, 10:09 AM
So, as I understand it, only six people shot the qualifying rounds? There must have been a couple of AHFCA Board Members who did not participate.
Bill, you needn't worry about the participation index of the FOX BOD's. As always, they lived up to their mantra of "get the job done!" As for me, my legs were sliced to ribbons last week after 3 days of surgical procedures thus, a 6 -hour drive was out of the question.
Since this event was more or less in your back forty I'm assuming you attended all three days? I was a bit concerned there were no pics posted of you assisting Jim and/or Kevin in the Parker/Fox booths? Must have been a slow day on the "research" front? Nevertheless, would love to hear your first hand impressions of the event?
Incidentally, I'm sure you're aware of my prowess behind a set of drums? FYI, I'm in the process of reforming my legendary swing ensemble "BIG WIND from WINNETKA" and think you'd be perfect for lead trumpet. PM me if you have any interest. Would love to chat.
Warmest regards,
Ansley H.
Bill Murphy
09-29-2017, 06:37 PM
As Kevin can tell you, I am in the middle of a very involved move from my home of 44 years. I am very sorry that I can't attend any shoots during this move. I am sick that I can't participate and haven't been able to participate for a few years because of surgeries and slow recoveries. However, remember that I have been a thorn in the side of board members in past years, probably more of a thorn than you will ever be. Never think that I am satisfied with the behavior or our board in all situations. As pertaining to your second paragraph in the latest post, kiss my ass. I have been to more side by side events than you will ever dream of.
Bill Murphy
09-29-2017, 07:10 PM
I would not be disappointed if my post were posted on the AHFCA website, but I won't post it there. If someone wants to link it there, I would approve.
Dean Romig
09-30-2017, 06:08 AM
Bill, I think you should run for a soon to be vacant board position.
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Bill Murphy
09-30-2017, 08:28 AM
Thanks for the idea, Dean, but I've been through all that before with the AHFCA BOD. No thanks.
Rich Anderson
09-30-2017, 12:31 PM
Come on Bill run, hell I'd probably pony up the life membership just to vote for you.
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