New Patterns

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Think I will try to pattern some of my guns at 45 yds and see how they do, got to round up my plywood and papers, will let you know how it goes, the first gun will be a 10 gauge A grade hammer gun, I will pattern all gauges except the elusive 13gauge which I do not have. 8,10,11,12,14,16,20 all at 45yds I will use RST shells where possible, Gary

[Rick Losey]

Why 45 and not the standard 40 yards?

[Rick Losey]

not even mentioning you obviously need a 28 :rotf::rotf:

[Dean Romig]

Gary, will you photograph each pattern, including right and left barrels from each gun, and document the pellet count within the circle you intend to use?





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[charlie cleveland]

gona be a lot of holes to count....i too am interested in the results especially the 8 and 10 ga s

[David Yeatts]

Sounds like a fun project and I see dean is angling for an article. I've found I get better patterns with the older hammer gun but I have not been very scientific about it.
Dave

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Yea all these guns will be hammer guns so no 28 gauge,as per the 45yds I want to see the difference in the extra 5 yds,makes yes Dean I will take photos and count the shot holes I use orange marker to mark the holes so I can get an accurate count I will Start in a couple weeks when I get home, I think it will be fun I will in list a little help to verify chokes etc, Gary

[Dean Romig]

Will you try to use the same shot size that each gun was originally patterned with?





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[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Dean that might be a problem with the 8 gauge since I do not reload, I have letters that state the shot size on most but with the age and use I figure they will not pattern the same, this will be a new thing for me so if any of you have suggestions let me know. This will be a winter project good lord willing since I will be traveling off and on till November I will look to see if the letter on the 8 states shot size if so maybe a member can load a couple for me. Gary

[Bill Zachow]

Gary, do you, or anyone, know how to ship black powder shells? I have 2 boxes of 10 8 gauge shells manufactured in either England or Italy. They are "The Mammoth Heavy Load"by Gamebore. They are 3 1/4" shells with 2 ounces of no 3 shot. I will donate a box to your pattern project if somebody can tell me who I can legally use to ship them. I plan to send the other box to Charlie in Mississippi if he sends me his address. These shells are new, never fired.

[Bill Zachow]

Gary, I figure that using No. 3 shot will make your pattern counting one hell of a lot easier. Bill

[Paul Harm]

If it were me, I'd just ship the shells and quit worrying about big brother. They aren't going to blow up. I once made up 4 boxes of BP hunting loads for a fellow and just shipped them.

[Bill Zachow]

Paul, who did you use to ship? Bill

[Paul Harm]

Post Office. Didn't insure them. They didn't ask what was in the package, I didn't say.

[Rick Losey]

Hmm. They always ask me if there is anything hazardous or flammable

[Frank Cronin]

Post Office. Didn't insure them. They didn't ask what was in the package, I didn't say.

Just make sure the package is boxed and taped really good and gets there - no worries..... if it breaks open in transit or from handling NOT GOOD

[Paul Harm]

Tools used for a "Precision Paper Punching Machine." If it's a gun then it's just a PPPM. But then you may want to insure a gun.

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

I look forward to getting this project under way, like I said I will be traveling till mid November, I have a box of old 8 gauge that say "hand loaded" card says Kirkwood Boston hulls were UMC Arrow #8 but I do not know if they were loaded to those specs, paper shells of course, Gary

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Here is a photo of one of the shells, I think they are pretty old, Gary

[edgarspencer]

Gary, if that's from the lot of Kirkwood 8ga. You got from me, they are very old, perhaps 1915.

[wayne goerres]

Those primers deteriorate with age. they most likely will not go off. I tried some 10ga awhile back and not one went off. The compound inside of the primers was completely gone.

[ED J, MORGAN]

Turkey hunting

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Yes, Edgar they are the same shells you found for me, even though the look OK Wayne is probably right about the primers not firing, I have a full box of 8 gauge shells but do not want to break them up, I also found some loaded 8 gauge shells that came with the P grade 8 gauge steel barreled gun that I had some years back, Just afraid to shoot them in my P grade twist 8 gauge hammer gun since I do not know what pressure they are, but will work it out , Gary

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

For those of you that are interested the gun is pictured on the back cover of the Parker Pages Spring 2005 Vol 12, Issue 1 serial number 169975, perhaps one of the best Parkers I have owned and a rare one, the gentleman sent me some shells a photo inclosed they measure 2-1/2" Gary

[charlie cleveland]

those are great looking shells i also say about 1915 they were loaded...i have shot or tried to shoot some 10 ga black powder loads about these 8 ga s age..the problem i had with them the primer went off and the load lodged about halfway up the barrel..there was alkind of spewing and differant colors of smoke comeing out of the barrels..had me scared to open the britch of the gun i honestly thought the barrels would be damaged..i had a brass rod there with me too knock out wads or hulls with so i brithed the gun and punched out the spewing powder all of this must have happened about 45 secounds...those were mighty pretty colors of smokebut atlast i have not shot any more old black powder shells..i have fired lots of old smokeless powder shell and for the most part went bang... the black powder had turned into a solid state....charlie

[charlie cleveland]

that shell on the right in this picture sure has a nice crimp....charlie

[Bill Zachow]

Gary and Charlie, 8 gauge shells shippedtoday. Let me know when you get them and what kind of patterns they make. Remember, these are 2 ounces of number 3 shot with black powder. Bill

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Thanks Bill I called but your wife said you were out, again thanks, Gary

[charlie cleveland]

i got my shells also i m gona try to get a turkey with them come next spring...thanks bill....charlie