Which gun to sell

[Bill Holcombe]

I am about to purchase me another parker but am in disagreement with myself about which gun to sell to make this purchase go through.

I have a 2014 Winchester M70 Supergrade .270 with a vs3 scope on it or a 1947 M70 .257 bob with a period scope on it.... Or i could keep both and sell the pigeon grade superposed 12 ga....but not certain i am ready to part with it. Decision decisions.....

[Jim DiSpagno]

If it were me, I'd sell the 2014 win. Just saying

[Dean Romig]

Yup, sell the late .270.




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[Brian Dudley]

As the others said, from a value/general interest standpoint, the pre-64 model 70 will be more vauable than the modern one, hands down. Unless condition is poor of course.

[James L. Martin]

Yea sell the new model 70

[edgarspencer]

The '47 .257 Roberts is worth more than 2014 Supergrade.

[Bill Holcombe]

Yeah thats what my mind keeps telling me. The .270 just is really nice wood and that scope makes it a rack driver. Its the one i wad leaning towards selling as it will be the easiest to replace if i eant to some day. The Bob has dome issues but is still in good mostly original condition. The main issue is how the scope is mounted. Its a Griffin and Howe detachable mount with a bear scope from the 40s or 50s. Not factory mount bit it is accurate. I need to replace the elevator peep siggt for the lyman it has on it too. It was missin when i got it.

[Mike Franzen]

Sell the 270 for the reasons you just posted

[edgarspencer]

Unlike any other aftermarket scope mount, a G&H side mount, is value added. Double lever more than the single, but either one is still a great mount. The Bear Cub is a collectible scope, but lacks the optical quality of a Kollmorgan.

[William Davis]

If the scope is a issue you can upgrade the 257 M 70s period scope off ebay . Unertl Hawk or Lyman Alaskan comes to mind or perhaps a early Leupold fixed power. I think low power is an advantage. Good one not real expensive. Better to replace than repair, scope repair is a gamble and can take years for good shops to complete the work.

William

[Bill Holcombe]

Oh the scope works fine, its just a fixed scooe and not as nice as the 4x12 Leupold VS3 on the 270.

Edgar its a double lever. You are the first one who has told me it is value added. The dealer i boight it from said it was the reason it wasnt more expensive.

[Bill Murphy]

The "Bear Cub" IS a Kollmorgen unless it is a later Redfield Bear Cub, which is the same scope. Leave it on there. It is now a "vintage" scope.

[Bill Holcombe]

Oh no worries its staying on. Acvording to the serial nimber it is a late 40s or early 50s Bear Cub

[edgarspencer]

Edgar its a double lever. You are the first one who has told me it is value added. The dealer i boight it from said it was the reason it wasnt more expensive.
That was a lucky break for you. The Jaeger side mount was a copy of the G&H except in aluminum. Just about anything G&H is a plus. Only problen is finding rings if you're changing scope tube sizes, from 7/8" to 1", etc.
William, I have an Alaskan on a '57 M70 .257, and it's just too small a field of view for a long shot. Looks a bit odd too.

[edgarspencer]

The "Bear Cub" IS a Kollmorgen unless it is a later Redfield Bear Cub, which is the same scope. . In name only, not in glass quality.

[Richard Flanders]

I'd certainly agree with Edgar on the G&H sidemount being value added. If my younger brother ever decides to give me our vintabe family Sauer .30-06 Mauser with dbl set triggers I'd have that mount put on in a heartbeat.

[Phil Yearout]

Don't sell either :eek:! I sold a Mastertone banjo once and never got over it. Finally bought another one and paid twice as much as I sold mine for. It'll never be "MY" Mastertone, but I feel better now!

[bob weeman]

G&H mount and a Lyman peep is a great set up....I use peep sights now more than scopes even with older eyes....A Redfield sourdough front sight or a regular bead front sight filed square is a great addition...square is less affected by sunlight in my opinion....

[Bill Murphy]

Griffin and Howe side mounts are very versatile. I have one great Springfield sporter with three sighted in scopes in Griffin and Howe tops. I carry the two spares in leather scope cases, just in case.

[Rich Anderson]

Take the scope off the newer Winchester and sell the rifle. The scope won't add that much value (about 25% of the cost of the scope when it was new) you can keep it for future use or sell it separately.

[edgarspencer]

Bill, is it a G&H Springfield? Walter Eiserer did some great ones while working there. Many more people seem to prefer their Mauser auctioned guns, but I always seem to go against the flow.
I have a .22 Hornet on an '03 receiver that Walter made, in the classic G&H stock, but not marked as such, as he built it after leaving there.
RG Owen was another who thought highly of G&H mounts and since he was head of Winchesters custom dept. for many years, it just makes sense a M70 should have one.

[Bill Holcombe]

Sorry wrong Bill.

[Rich Anderson]

Unfortunately the "collectors" of pre64 M70's will reduce the value of a gun with a G&H side mount. There a good system.

[Clarence Kavanaugh]

You can always find another current production Super grade but you'll pay dearly to find another Pre-64 with period glass.

[William Davis]

It's true pure collectors would not want the drilled for scope mount gun. There is another group of enthusiasts who enjoy real shooting guns with appropriate modifications, at much less cost and resale value.

I own a M 1903 Arsenal produced sporter that was drilled for a Redfield Mount years ago. Worth a fraction of unaltered gun. It carries a long slide Lyman 48 with a slide filler And either a Weaver T 10 for targets or a K 2.5 hunting. I don't know how you could find a better handling 30/06 unless it was a early production M 70 fitted the same way.

Have my eye on. G&H .257 Roberts on a commercial Mauser action now. To my eye nothing new can touch it even the custom rifles.

Sell the new one

William

[bob weeman]

G&H and Bob Owen Springfield's are to my eye the best of all of that era's custom rifles.Years ago Kittery Trading post had a bunch of G&H sporters...regular rifles, one carbine and the one that I wanted badly was a 400 Whelen, Wonderful wood, usual horn forend, Lyman peep and all the usual G&H stuff but without the side mount. The barrel was 1/4 octagon 3/4 Round with integral rib and front sight. Had the original dies and some brass. just an exception example of their work. It was the late 1980's and they wanted $1800. Sat there for months and they marked it down to $1200. Could not make myself buy it as that was a lot of money to me back then. Terrible decision!

[Bill Murphy]

Edgar, my Springfield is not a G&H sporter. It was built by John Oberlies in Dayton, Ohio in 1934. I also have a Model 54 Swift sporter, also built by Oberlies in the thirties, also with a G&H side mount.

[Bill Holcombe]

Correction, it isnt a bear cub on the .257. That is on the pre war .220 swift. The GH is on the .257 bit i cannot find a brand name on the scope. It may be a copper body from the scratches on it, but i cannot determine a maker.

[Bill Holcombe]

Thought i would post a few pics for those more knowledgeable than I to see.

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[edgarspencer]

The scope is German; Probably Hensoldt or Kahles. The range adjustment says German, the locking screw says Hensoldt or Kahles, Not Zeiss Jena . Tube should be brass.