DHE/CHE Comparison

[Bob Jurewicz]

Steve Barnett just added a pair of 20 GA guns to GI. Excellent side by side pictures provide great opportunity to compare the two grades.

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/shotguns/parker-shotguns/a-duo-of-parkers-che-dhe-20-gauge-same-owner-30-quot-barrels-mint-guns.cfm?gun_id=100855936

Bob Jurewicz

[Reggie Bishop]

I just was looking at those. Super nice guns but the price! Wow!

[Gary Laudermilch]

Any idea what frame size they might be? They seem heavier than most PB 20's

[Dean Romig]

In the case of these two particular guns, I prefer the wood and checkering of the C but I prefer the engraving on the D.
Very nice guns indeed. The price should not scare away the serious collector, IMO.





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[Brian Dudley]

The major obvious difference between D and C grades as a whole is the grip checkering pattern. Cs are the first grade to use what i call an "organic" pattern. By way of engraving, the use of heavy patterned borders and varying floorplate scenes are what sets the C grade apart from the D.

I always like to call the C grade as the first grade in the line where unique qualities are really observed from gun to gun.
True, every gun has unique qualities since they were all hand built, but in a matter of standard, the grades up through D were done in the same patterns and layouts.

[Dean Romig]

C's will also exhibit more elaborate and finer (more fine detail) scrollwork. Though not 'full coverage' like an A or even a few B's, there is certainly a lot more coverage than found on the standard D engraving.





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[David Dwyer]

That is a fantastic pair of 20's If I had to pick one I would definitely pick the DHE. You are correct Dean, much better engraving on the sideplates. I am looking for a nice 30" graded 20ga but not at those prices.
David

[Reggie Bishop]

Another question. Why wouldn't you break up the pair? From a collector's standpoint (which I am not) why would you want to buy them both if you had a nice one already. And from a seller's standpoint why wouldn't sell one of them? The serial numbers are close but not that close.

[David Dwyer]

Reggie because that makes him the most $$$. That is a great D and a fair C. IMHO
David

[Reggie Bishop]

I am showing my "novice" side, but if I have two of anything I want to sell, I would rather sell one than none. :)

[Brian Dudley]

For the same reason that people try to sell whole collections. Because they know there is a butt for every seat, even if it means fewer interested butts. Who knows...

[David Dwyer]

He is probably the "top dog" in the Parker dealer world right now. He understands his customers and their desires and how to market to them. I would not be shocked if he would break them up for the right customer and the right $$$
David

[Reggie Bishop]

My guess is he has them on consignment.

[Steve Huffman]

I don't think this will take long at all ! What a pair !

[Bill Holcombe]

C's will also exhibit more elaborate and finer (more fine detail) scrollwork. Though not 'full coverage' like an A or even a few B's, there is certainly a lot more coverage than found on the standard D engraving.






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I have seen one or two early Cs where literally the only difference between it and a D engraving wise is more scroll. Now you get a little later in production and the C engraving of dogs and such becomes more intricate, but at the same time, D's get more scroll work in later production.

Did he ever sell that set of parkers he had listed for 100k?

[edgarspencer]

Any idea what frame size they might be? They seem heavier than most PB 20's

I'm sure they are 0 framed Gary. I have a 30" DHE20 that weighs 6lbs, 8oz., and both of those guns are very close.
I'm not sure I understand the logic in only offering them as a pair either, and individually, my opinion, only, neither are worth over $20-22.
I prefer the twisted or braided borders found on C's, and early Ds, and I like the bordered vignettes over the late D style. C's are more interesting in their variety of floorplates.
All of the above is just my liking and I've never seen a Parker I didn't like.

[John Allen]

They are probably consigned and that is the way the owner wants to move them.Also,since they were built for the same person,it makes sense to try to sell them as a pair first.

[edgarspencer]

They are probably consigned and that is the way the owner wants to move them.Also,since they were built for the same person,it makes sense to try to sell them as a pair first.

Not that it should matter, but I think you would find that most of his extensive inventory is consigned. To some degree, this limits him, and other dealers, from being able to do much trading.
I can see situations where a seller might restrict them to being sold together; such as when he needs to raise that amount of cash to buy something else, but one wouldn't get him much beyond half way. An estate sale wouldn't be as likely, as everything is being liquidated in that scenario.
I can see more reasons for a seller NOT restricting the sale to both; they are so alike that when one sells, the other becomes unavailable (let the buyer chose, and I'll keep the other) I've actually done that before .
There are probably many buyers who would love to own either, but simply can't afford both. I imagine we poorer folk out number the Landed Gentry by 5:1 or more. I think they will sell, either way, however I think it would happen much more quickly if they were split up. Steve is known for being willing to negotiate, so it's safe to say he has room when he puts his price on a consignor's gun. I know a few people right now who own guns listed by Steve, and I'm sure they 'could' confirm this.
I guess I'm in the minority, as I like the C for many reasons, more than the D. I'm not rearranging spots on my wall to open up a spot, and I think I'm fresh out of rich Aunts. Sigh.....:violin::violin:

[Daniel G Rainey]

Looked at these guns day before yesterday. they are truly outstanding. By taking pictures of these guns side by side, this gives us the chance to compare the D and C grade engraving.

[Kirk Potter]

I guess I never noticed before but is their always such variation in the top lever?

[Dean Romig]

As the grades go up the top lever embellishment goes up too. B-Grade and higher even has sculpting on the top lever as well as more elaborate engraving.





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[Kirk Potter]

As the grades go up the top lever embellishment goes up too. B-Grade and higher even has sculpting on the top lever as well as more elaborate engraving.





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I assumed their would be more elaborate engraving, it's just the top levers on those 2 almost seem to be a different design. Maybe I'm mistaken.

[Dean Romig]

Nope - same design, just contoured a bit differently at the thumb pad.

Could simply be the difference between two different guys polishing and finishing prior to engraving.





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[Kirk Potter]

Nope - same design, just contoured a bit differently at the thumb pad.

Could simply be the difference between two different guys polishing and finishing prior to engraving.





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Guess I sometimes forget these were hand built.

[Rich Anderson]

Two nice guns no doubt about it but they aren't really a pair IMHO and I think the asking price is a little strong for them.

he does still have the matched pair of AHE Pigeon guns for a $100K. I bet that could be negotiated and those are a nice and true pair of guns. Now where did I deposit that extra $100K :rotf:

[Daniel G Rainey]

Steve's shop is on the street I live on, therefore I am in the shop weekly. He is a good friend and I have learned a lot about guns from him. The pair of AHE Pigeon guns are as good as they get and were made without a doll's head. I read or heard that some pigeon shooters ordered there guns that way. How a doll's head could foul up one shooting I do not know, but I am not a pigeon shooter.

[Kirk Potter]

Two nice guns no doubt about it but they aren't really a pair IMHO and I think the asking price is a little strong for them.

he does still have the matched pair of AHE Pigeon guns for a $100K. I bet that could be negotiated and those are a nice and true pair of guns. Now where did I deposit that extra $100K :rotf:

I thought so too.. I'm no expert but I've seen DHE 20's sell anywhere from $7-12,000.. is the CHE really worth $30-40,000?

[Dean Romig]

You've gotta start somewhere... especially so if the consignor isn't in a rush to sell.

I hope he eventually gets his asking price - or somewhere near it.





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[Rich Anderson]

You've gotta start somewhere... especially so if the consignor isn't in a rush to sell.

I hope he eventually gets his asking price - or somewhere near it.





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Send a check Dean and your wish will come true as well as Steves:rotf: I think $45K is more realistic but then again I don't want or need them:whistle:

[Stacey Prior]

We have just inherited one that looks like the bottom one in these pictures. Is that the CHE or the DHE? Thanks.

[Ken Hill]

The bottom one on the gunsinternational link is the DHE. It has the standard 3-4 birds on the bottom. Also, you'll notice there is less checkering on the grip.

Ken

[edgarspencer]

The grade of your gun is marked on the watertable. Review the grade information on the main page of the PGCA website. Saying it is the "same" suggests you have a thorough knowledge of the grades and features. You may very well have a gem but you need to educate yourself. The PGCA website is perhaps the best place to do that.

[Stacey Prior]

Thank you so much, I have been digging around a great deal on the site, and have learned so much already! I am trying to find an estimate of value for insurance purposes.

[Reggie Bishop]

These are now being offered individually it appears.

[Scott Gentry]

Steve's shop is on the street I live on, therefore I am in the shop weekly. He is a good friend and I have learned a lot about guns from him. The pair of AHE Pigeon guns are as good as they get and were made without a doll's head. I read or heard that some pigeon shooters ordered there guns that way. How a doll's head could foul up one shooting I do not know, but I am not a pigeon shooter.

My clays gun is a pigeon gun without a dolls head and extractors, when unload quickly( like in a 5 stand game) you will see the advantages of no dolls head.

[Daniel G Rainey]

Thanks. I think I understand.