The A-1 Special 20 Gauge at Julia's 4-11-17

[Bill Murphy]

So, it sold for $220,000 plus the buyer's premium. It was a nice gun, for sure. What was the buyer's premium, by the way? No warts on this gun.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Bill, on site would be 15% plus tax. -3% for cash or equivalent

[Craig Larter]

All the prices seemed strong to me. Good for the seller and the new owner.

[Josh Loewensteiner]

The sale price is $253,000. Buyers premium is 15% if a client pays by cash or check.

[Bill Mullins]

If I remember correctly this is the second highest price paid for a Parker sold through Julia Auction. The highest was the "Czar of Russia" Parker that sold for $287,500. Original guns in excellent condition such as this A1Special are highly sought after by collectors! Congratulations to the new owner!

[edgarspencer]

All the prices seemed strong to me. Good for the seller and the new owner.

Not in my opinion Craig. In the English guns, only exceptional guns of best makers made the low estimate. The Rough Rider Colt would have been above the mid 20s a few years ago, and only brought 10K. It was in fine condition also. Winchester's own 8 bore test gun, a fine W&C Scott with Jones under lever, failed to sell, only barely hitting $5k. When was the last time you saw a Deluxe, Special Order 1894 sell for $2500? A 80-90% 1895 for under 1000 dollars? Pathetic.
I think the Second Chance list is going to be extensive.

[edgarspencer]

The same consecutive pair of GHEs was listed two years ago with an estimate of $17,500-$22,500. They were again listed in Yesterday's sale with an estimate of $6,000 to $10,000. The hammer fell at $5000. If they actually did sell two years ago, the consignor yesterday must be very disappointed.

[Kevin McCormack]

I agree with Edgar. The gun auction business is increasingly becoming a financially dangerous and ethereal game for both buyers and sellers. The "Second Chance" phenomenon emerging after these 'mega' sales events is a very curious example.

[Steve Cambria]

Josh,

Sent you a PM. We should have the "all clear" by Friday afternoon. The EBAY activity on my left kidney (item #132006468877) is much stronger than anticipated, though frankly I'm a bit surprised no one has jumped at the "buy it now" option. Fingers crossed. If not, it'll be a fitting day for a crucifixion.
As always, thanks for the assist!!!----Ansley H. :corn: :whistle:

[Rich Anderson]

I wonder what the pre war Boss 20ga went for. I don't follow the auction circuit. If you can't be there to physically inspect the gun you want to bid on than your taking all the risk. The descriptions have been known to be wrong.

[Eric Eis]

I wonder what the pre war Boss 20ga went for.. The descriptions have been known to be wrong.

You think..........................:shock::eek::cuss:

[Robert Delk]

Right now only the very best items are bringing the big bucks. The " 9's" and "10's" of the collecting world. I see the same thing in period furniture and decorative arts which I have followed for many years.I tell people now is the time to buy the low and middle market furniture if you can use it. You couldn't get the same quality made new by a cabinet maker for 2 or 3 times the amount you can get a period piece in nice shape for.

[Jim DiSpagno]

Rich, the 20 ga. Boss hammered for 25K plus premium

[Jean Swanson]

I was at Julia's on Tuesday and Wednesday's auctions, I would say that the overall hammer prices were LOWER than expected, with exception. I talked with Tony Galazan and his impression was basically the same. A lot of the prices reminded me of values 30 to 35 years ago.

The A1S 20 was an exception, there was a lot of interest and a gentleman sitting beside me put his hand up until the hammer came down at 230 k, if I recall correctly on the price.

I think a lot of items sold for on line or written bids. And , of course there are the bottom feeders that submit bids for 50% of the real value and are sometimes lucky.

Just my two cents worth
Allan

[Rich Anderson]

Thanks Jim. If the gun was in good condition that's seems like a very low value for a top tier English maker.

[Greg Baehman]

Rich, the 20 ga. Boss hammered for 25K plus premium
It was reported over on doublegunshop.com that the Boss didn't meet the reserve.

http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=477691#Post477691

[CraigThompson]

Any idea what the as they listed it "G grade hammer 8 gauge" brought ?

[CraigThompson]

I'd also be interested to know what the Forrest Marshall 20 gauge upgrade brought .

[Eric Eis]

Any idea what the as they listed it "G grade hammer 8 gauge" brought ?

I heard that it was also a no sale.

[Jim DiSpagno]

8 gauge hammered at 17.5K if I remember correctly

[Dean Romig]

The fact that a gun "hammered" is no indication that it met reserve.

It simply means that the high bid was recorded.






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[CraigThompson]

The fact that a gun "hammered" is no indication that it met reserve.

It simply means that the high bid was recorded.

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Whether it sold or not isn't my intrest when I ask , I'm just curiouse as to how far the bidders were willing to go .

[Dean Romig]

You didn't need to include my quote, as I was not responding to your question.






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[CraigThompson]

You didn't need to include my quote, as I was not responding to your question.


. But in a roundabout way I was to yours . My aren't we touchy 🤔

[Dean Romig]

I'm not in the least bit touchy Craig. Never have been - never will be. :cheers:






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[Victor Wasylyna]

And , of course there are the bottom feeders that submit bids for 50% of the real value and are sometimes lucky.

Strikes me as fiction to suggest a gun has a "real value" that is somehow higher than what the gun brought at one of the country's most well-known, well-advertised and well-attended auctions. Bottom-feeders versus pipe-dreamers, what's the difference? The hammer tells the "true value."

-Victor

[Dean Romig]

The hammer tells the "true value."-Victor


But as we live and learn, it sometimes doesn't. Case in point - some recent auctions.:whistle:






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[Bill Murphy]

Forrest's A-1 upgrades sold for 14,000 and 5,000. Don't know what the big difference was, except that the 14,000 gun was once described as a Runge gun, but it had Thierry Duguet's initials on it.

[Eric Eis]

Forrest's A-1 upgrades sold for 14,000 and 5,000. Don't know what the big difference was, except that the 14,000 gun was once described as a Runge gun, but it had Thierry Duguet's initials on it.

Bill, did the upgrade sell for $14,000 or $5000 little confused (but that's easy for me :rolleyes: )

[edgarspencer]

1414, $220,000; 1415, $20,500; 1416, $17,500; 1417, $12,000; 1418, $15,500; 1419, $12,000; 1420, $7,500; 1421, $9,000; 1422, $12,000; 1423, $18,500;
1424, $14,000; 1425, $5,000; 1426, $6,000; 1427, $8,000; 1428, $3,750;
1429, $19,500.
These are the hammer prices and do no include commissions.

I sold 1427 to a member here a few years ago, and am delighted to see he did well also.

[David Noble]

Why would the Lefever/Parker breech loading drilling in 12x12 x .38-55 need a bullet starter for the muzzle? Isn't it more likely a cleaning attachment to protect the rifling?

http://jamesdjulia.com/item/1429-396/

[Dean Romig]

A very strange apparatus for sure.

I'll bet the operator's manual recommends removing it before firing the shotgun barrels...






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[John Dallas]

Here's what happens if you don't remove the bore sighter from you rifle

[Bill Murphy]

Eric, there were two A-1 Special upgrades that were associated with Forrest Marshall, #1424 hammered at $14,000 and #1425, hammered at $5000. I would love to have one of Thierry's A-1s for $5000, but I don't think they would have let me have it.

[edgarspencer]

A very strange apparatus for sure.

I'll bet the operator's manual recommends removing it before firing the shotgun barrels....

That's why there is a protrusion above the sight. I've had some beautiful muzzle loading target rifles, and a Whitney & Ball rifle that was used by a Union sniper, that had the original starter. I traded that one for an 0 frame 16ga lifter that someone keeps sticking under my nose.

[scott kittredge]

Here's what happens if you don't remove the bore sighter from you rifle

now you can stand it up and make a lamp out of it:)

[Rick Riddell]

Strikes me as fiction to suggest a gun has a "real value" that is somehow higher than what the gun brought at one of the country's most well-known, well-advertised and well-attended auctions. Bottom-feeders versus pipe-dreamers, what's the difference? The hammer tells the "true value."

-Victor

I totally agree, what is "real value" vs "desired value"? Or is value determined by how much someone overpaid for an item?

[Dean Romig]

With regard to high-condition, high-grade, small-bore Parkers... the gun itself determines the value and only a very few can step up to the plate and confirm that value.

It's called "Putting your money where your mouth is."

PS, I'm not one of those guys, unfortunately....






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[Rick Riddell]

With regard to high-condition, high-grade, small-bore Parkers... the gun itself determines the value and only a very few can step up to the plate and confirm that value.

It's called "Putting your money where your mouth is."

PS, I'm not one of those guys, unfortunately....






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Same here, I just find it very interesting. Big money brings big prices, but if big money isnt there, values drop. Seems cyclic, bamboo rod market was the same, just seems if people over pay, as such in a auction setting where desire in the driving force once that desire is filled shouldnt the prices eventually level out to more of a realistic value? But instead the prices remain at the desired value. I find it very fascinating, sellers desire to gain and the buyers desire to lose, money that is! Any ways, whoever got it has a cherished items worth every cent paid!

[Dean Romig]

Even in a severely deflated economy these kinds of guns would still change hands.... privately, and still maintain their value, in my opinion. A great many of the finest guns change hands without the public ever knowing of it. The best ones will always hold their value... and 'throwing their money away' is never a consideration.





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