The A-1

[Brian Stucker]

I've noticed a certain A-1 at Crosnoe which, if it's the same gun, seems to be appearing and reappearing at different prices. Currently, it is in the lower range. I was wondering if someone could comment on the colors on the case. They look nothing like the more muted tones of the originals (one wouldn't expect them to I guess) and seem almost radioactively yellow.

The photography looks fairly accurate on the rest of the gun, so I've ruled that it must be an otherworldly coloration.

Wassup with this gun?

[Bill Murphy]

Looks OK to me, but for that price, I would rather have started with one of the unengraved guns at about seven grand and had it engraved by a human being. There are still a few of those out there.

[Kenny Graft]

This does not have the Oak and leather repro case the A-1 came with...It may not have been completed at PR and could be one of the guns sold in the white??? Quality of work could be in question as to who did the work and the true value of the gun.??? The seller may have additional info about it if you ask...I would not considder this gun untill it was in hand for a good look at the workmanship. There is a correct A-1 on gun broker for sale now to compare it with...just under 20K thanks all Kenny Graft SXS ohio...(-:

[Greg Baehman]

Here's a direct link to the Crosnoe gun: http://www.crosnoeguns.com/itemdetail.asp?ID=5097

The case colors on this A-1, appear to my eyes, to those that have been done by John Gillette of Classic Guns, Inc. I have found that flash from a camera will bring out more of the straw/yellow colors, under natural daylight these colors are not nearly so accentuated. Here's another DHE Parker Repro that Classic Guns recolored for comparison---obviously not Parker Bros. colors, but nonetheless, very beautiful colors in their own right:

[Donovan Kirkpatrick]

Is not that price on the Gunbroker A-1 Special a bit high. I bid on it but the bids zoomed past what I wished to pay.

[Bill Murphy]

Donovan, can you give us the item number on the one you were outbid on. I can't find such a gun on gunbroker. It seems the ones on gunbroker have yet to attract a bid.

[Donovan Kirkpatrick]

Bill. It is 177032388. Has been listed repeatedly. Started out with a reserve which no one hit. Finally they just put their desired price on it. I bid 15K and some one went to 16K+ in a prior listing.. As you can see we were no where close to 19800. I believe that is a bit much. Thus my question. Based on your previous comment, if the unengraved price was 7K and the engraver charged 10K, maybe I am wrong about the asking price. I prefer a 12 ga. but I like this gun.

[Bill Murphy]

One question I have is whether this gun is a first generation Gournet gun or is it one of Tony's unengraved guns that was sent to Gournet in the past few years. The seller certainly is leaving that to a bidder inquiry. What's up with that? No one except the customer really knows what was charged for the first generation GG guns, but we have a pretty good idea of the price of a raw unengraved Galazan A-1 Special. The question is, how do we tell them apart. I have never studied the markings on the original Gournet guns, nor have I studied the markings on the Tony guns.

[Donovan Kirkpatrick]

Brian. I notice the Crosnoe gun has "Parker Bros" on the bottom of the receiver. I just looked at 12-0XX. It has Parker Bros" on the left side of receiver and has the wood and leather case with accessories. I do not know much about them but I am under the impression that 12-0XX represents one of the 125 factory engraved guns. I would question that about the Crosnoe gun.

[Joe Bernfeld]

http://www.gunsamerica.com/906001919/Guns/Shotguns/Parker-Reproductions-Shotguns/Bill_Mains_engraved_A_1_Special_2bbl_set.htm

I'd rather have this one, but it's too expensive too.

[Bill Murphy]

I assume the Mains gun is one of Tony's unengraved guns.

[Brian Stucker]

I appreciate the fine feedback from everyone...thanks.

Bill, What would the premium be for a GG original vs. a Tony White Gun subsequently engraved? How does a factory engraved A-1 stack up value wise?

Joe and Kenny, I'll take either of those for Thirteen Five!

Greg, Thanks for the picture of yours.

My problem: I want a $20,000 shotgun for thirteen thou............................................th at hits ducks.

Thanks again everyone.

[Bill Murphy]

Both groups of GG engraved Repros have extreme value, and that value would be determined by the degree of decoration and the configuration. A maximum effort GG 0000 frame .410 would be at the top of the heap with lesser decorated 20 and 12 gauge guns at the bottom. Those guns at the bottom don't get too cheap, obviously. Examples of the GG engraved guns done during the production run of factory Repros are illustrated in one or more of the Reagent CC folders. As I recall, no variation of Gournet engraved factory era Repros were priced in the folders. They were all custom order except the Duck Stamp models.

[Dean Romig]

Did Geoffroy do the engraving on the Duck Stamp guns?

[Bill Murphy]

Now that you ask that question, my answer would be "I'm not sure until I either ask Geoffrey or find evidence in my research file."

[Bob Jurewicz]

I may be wrong but weren't Tony's guns serial numbered without the prefixing gauge number??
Bob Jurewicz

[Rich Anderson]

Joe-That is one nice gun:) A bit guady for me but I'm glad my Parker budget has already passed critical mass or I might be haveing a conversation with my banker.

[Marvin Kells]

One question I have is whether this gun is a first generation Gournet gun or is it one of Tony's unengraved guns that was sent to Gournet in the past few years. The seller certainly is leaving that to a bidder inquiry. What's up with that? No one except the customer really knows what was charged for the first generation GG guns, but we have a pretty good idea of the price of a raw unengraved Galazan A-1 Special. The question is, how do we tell them apart. I have never studied the markings on the original Gournet guns, nor have I studied the markings on the Tony guns.

Bill,

I don't know if this is an indicator, but look at the difference in the markings and engine turning on a factory engraved A1 vs the one on Gunbroker. Also note the water table on the factory engraved gun has "A-1" ahead of the serial number and an "A" on the barrel flats (vs a "B" on the Gunbroker gun).

Looks to me like an in-the-white gun that was engraved later.

[Donovan Kirkpatrick]

Does anyone know how many guns were factory engraved in 12 gauge? I know of one. I have seen only one. All the others must be in deep cover.

[Kenny Graft]

Bill when you ask GG about the engraving...please ask how many duck stamp guns did get finished? thanks Kenny Graft. I wish I had 20K to invest...I would own that A-1 listed on G-broker! After the last DHE-410/28 from CSM Im tapped! Actualy I use and shoot my guns and the A-1 would sit in the safe.....I will keep looking for DHE 12ga in steel shot spl. and a sporting clays model with double triggers. I would take a loan for one of them!.....

[Bill Murphy]

I visited with Geoffrey yesterday, but forgot to ask about the duck stamp guns. I guess there was just too much other stuff to talk about. Sorry.