Two grouse on the road

[Frank Srebro]

No, this isn’t another joke about the difference between partridge and grouse.

Just wanted to show two nice male grouse taken a little over a year ago with a 20 bore Sterlingworth Ejector gun.


At long last, as picked up today at the taxidermist and ready for the road trip home.
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Here they are in my game room. Those base pieces are split white birch from a tree the utility had to cut at the cabin. Both birds were taken nearby there.
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[Dean Romig]

Great ruffs on those birds!

That one with the unbroken tail band is handsome!





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[charlie cleveland]

sure are nicely mounted...looking good....charlie

[Bruce Day]

One male, one fremale.

[Dean Romig]

Actually, Evans, Bump, and others claim that the broken tail band is not definitive of a female. Gonads will tell for certain and there are other feathers and color variations particular to one sex or the other that are more dependable than the broken, or unbroken, tail band. I also used the tail band method to determine the sex of ruffed grouse, but I've changed my thinking lately.





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[Frank Srebro]

One male, one fremale.

I anticipated that and asked the taxidermist who said they are both males. I'd say he would know. :)

[Richard Flanders]

I was/am under the impression that the females don't have the dark neck feathers that the males have and poof out when strutting. I have up to 11 ruffies coming in under my feeder daily this winter and some, females, I've been surmising, have a more slender neck without the dark feathers. Just my guess though. They sure are fun to watch through the window. Every day at dawn then at around 3:15pm they start flying and running in from all directions. The snow in my yard looks like a tracked up chicken pen.

[Dean Romig]

What a great opportunity to watch and study the "perfect game bird." I'm envious Richard.





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[Gary Laudermilch]

Both male and female ruffed grouse have a ruff of feathers. It is much more pronounced on the males however. The tail feather band is only somewhat reliable as a sex indicator. Following is an excerpt from the RGS website:

"Ruffed Grouse are one of 10 species of grouse native to North America and are one of the smaller birds in the group, ranging from 17 to 25 oz. Ruffed Grouse are somewhat larger than pigeons, living their entire lives in wooded areas. The males are usually slightly larger than the females, although an occasional adult female will exceed a young male in size. Backdrop14B-WEB2The name "Ruffed" was derived from the long, shiny, black or chocolate colored neck feathers that are most prominent on the male. When the cock is in full display in defense of his territory, or showing off to an interested hen, these feathers are extended into a spectacular ruff which, together with a fully fanned tail, makes him look twice his normal size.

The plumages of the two sexes are quite similar, and while about 77% of the males have unbroken dark bands near the end of their tails, many males have incomplete bands much like those of females in which the color is faded or absent on the central tail feathers. Out of a sample of nearly 1700 grouse, the same band patterns were common to both sexes among 52% of the population. The best external basis for determining sex is a measurement of tail length. Across most of its range, a fully grown tail feather over 5-7/8 in. in length usually belongs to a male; less than 5-1/2 in. to a hen - but birds with intermediate measurements can be either male or female. When this occurs, two other procedures are useful. One is to examine the feathers on the upper side of the bird's rump, just above the central tail feathers. If there are 2 or 3 whitish spots, the bird is probably a male; if none or one, a female. Another procedure is to compare the length of the 2nd primary flight feather from Sheets Grouse 4the wing tip to the length of the central tail feather. If these two feathers are about the same length, the bird is a hen; but if the tail feather is more than 3/8 in. longer than the wing feather, he's a male! For drawings and more details, please refer to the publication, A Grouse in the Hand and the YouTube video Determining Age and Sex of Ruffed Grouse."

[Rich Anderson]

Nice birds Frank. I guess a Fox did get the game. You might have gotten three with a Parker however:rotf::rotf:

[Stephen Hodges]

Those came out beautiful Frank, great addition to the man cave:)

[Bruce Day]

Some of you fellows forget that gender today is not subject to traditional definitions. Perhaps these grouse self identify as male or female despite physical characteristics. Maybe they are trans gender or non binary, I think that's the correct phrase.

We will be having education sessions for you fellows mired in outdated thinking.

[Richard Flanders]

I'll keep my eyes peeled for signs of gender fluidity amongst my grouse buddies here under the midnight moon.

[Dean Romig]

We will be having education sessions for you fellows mired in outdated thinking.

I think I'll be absent that day. I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin.
I identify as a very open-minded member of the "old school" who really doesn't care what sex the grouse he shoots are but is happiest to kill a cock bird in full adult plumage. And I have yet to shoot a cock with strap-on ruffs... or vice-versa :shock:

Beautiful birds Frank. The great majority of grouse here in New England are predominantly gray in color while the birds of western New York and the Appalachian areas are predominantly brown or 'red-phase.' It is said that the New England grouse are of the 'togata' subspecies and that accounts for the gray coloring.

I think the brown birds like yours are prettier than ours but my brother-in-law, Jamie has one that Scott mounted for him that is actually a dark mahogany color. Jamie shot it in the NEK of Vermont over my Gracie.

No, it is not the protected Spruce Grouse.




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[Richard Flanders]

Protected spruce grouse??? Seriously? Now that's funny!!

Truthfully, I see a lot more ruffies and sharptails than spruce grouse around Fairbanks these days.

[Dean Romig]

Yup, in Vermont they're protected. I always thought I wouldn't be able to tell the difference but then I flushed one on Maine's "Golden Road" and that bird was practically 'black' in flight, and it was quite easy to see the difference.





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[calvin humburg]

I may have to come introduce the teacher to a piece of Hickory. I quite sure u won't be teaching.

[Richard Flanders]

The spruce grouse are quite a bit darker and easy to distinguish if they're sitting. In a dark dense spruce forest it can be harder to tell if they flush and you swing around to shoot. I've thought I shot a ruffie at least once that turned out to be a spruce when I found it. In theory they prefer pretty different habitat; in reality not so much really, at least up here.