Damascus "what's it?"

[Josh Loewensteiner]

What type of damascus pattern is this? What is the name of this pattern? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

[Bruce Day]

Josh, I think its more a laminated composite rather than Damascus. Let's see what Drew says.

[Drew Hause]

I enhanced the image a bit

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/18020839/413008313.jpg

and believe they are the same as this 1878 Grade 4 Lifter and called "Lutticher Toncin"; a Herringbone variant

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/23997270/400526667.jpg

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/23997270/400518023.jpg

We've had this discussion off and on in the past regarding similar barrels which were labeled "Laminated Steel'

BTW: I'll have a table in Vegas near you Parker fellas and would be happy to 'read' patterns for anyone.

[Drew Hause]

"Gold towel guy's" Grade 5 top; Grade 4 bottom

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19406549/403868671.jpg

So is it a Parker, and what grade please?

[Dean Romig]

Definitely Laminated of some sort Josh - What make of gun is it on? What year of manufacture or if a Parker, serial number range?

If it is a Parker in the late 1870's - early 1880's look for a P stamped where the barrel steel is normally stamped.

However, it looks to me more like the Laminated Steel that Parker Bros imported beginning in the late 1880's into the late 1890's.







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[Drew Hause]

We've had this conversation ;)
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5520&page=2

Some of the images were moved here
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19406549

Remington's variant
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6679

Parker Laminated Steel
http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=1839

[Dean Romig]

So, the example Josh has pictured looks most like Greener's "Silver Steel."






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[Drew Hause]

This is Laminated Steel; Top: c. 1874 Lifter marked "Laminated Steel"; each tube is stamped 'L' ahead of the barrel flats.
Bottom: c. 1870s W&C Scott hammer gun.
Refinished by Brad Bachelder.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19406549/389244643.jpg

This is Greener's "Silver Steel" which was a Laminated Steel variant

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/18063717/256132943.jpg

3 Iron with a definite 'rosette'

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/18063717/407276187.jpg

[Josh Loewensteiner]

Hi guys- the gun is an early C Grade Lefever.

[Drew Hause]

Thanks Josh. This is Morris Baker's C grade Lefever

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/18020839/315129166.jpg

It's a very similar pattern called "Corche"

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/18020839/315129162.jpg

[Paul Ehlers]

Drew can correct me if I'm wrong on this.

I think your barrels look a lot like these tubes on a GH-12 Parker I have. These barrels are marked Damascus but they are different from the normal pattern seen on grade 2 hammerless guns. They also have a Birmingham provisional proof mark on them & were probably English in source. You might look yours over for a proof mark.

The Birmingham proof mark is on the right tube in the bottom picture.

[Drew Hause]

Definitely Laminated Steel Paul, and remarkable similar to "Silver Steel". I can't image Greener would have let a pair of his proprietary tubes out of the shop!

They may actually be "English machine-forged 3 rod Laminated steel" which was the winner of the Phase 1 test of the Birmingham Proof House Trial.
Scroll down about 1/3 here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dnRLZgcuHfx7uFOHvHCUGnGFiLiset-DTTEK8OtPYVA/edit

[Josh Loewensteiner]

Thanks, All. If anything, I think it looks most like the Greener's Silver Steel but still not quite a dead match.

[Drew Hause]

Very much interested in the 'after' pics Josh - please do post!

[Drew Hause]

Timely thread
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=465999&page=1

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL1373/6511424/19406549/413030756.jpg

[Dean Romig]

1879? That pattern looks very familiar!

As well it should, having a P stamped on the forward end of the right barrel flat where we would otherwise expect to see the stamp for the type of barrel steel.




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