Does the price make sense on this GHE

[Brian Hornacek]

I realise that Tony can be a real high at times on guns but does Guns International 100764494 make sense. I have no interest in this gun, a better question might be what is a real minty Remington era GHE 12 gauge worth with 30" barrels?

Just trying to be a more informed buyer.

Thanks!!

[Linn Matthews]

The characteristics discussed in the copy focus on "Condition" That is what determines the price. Of course, a buyer may not agree on the value of the presentation

[Phillip Carr]

Very nice Parker, but like you Brian. I am curious as to what others think about the price considering the condition.

[Brian Hornacek]

I ask because I know where 2 such Remington 12 ga 30" GHE guns exist, one with traditional rib and another with a unusual to me raised solid rib, only one I have seen like it. I traditionally buy Parker's in disrepair and 95% + condition guns are not in my comfort zone. I would appreciate any input on value and feel free to send my a PM with more detail than you care to share on the forum.

[Paul Ehlers]

Simply put. No the price doesn't make sense to me!! Just my opinion for what it's worth.

[Bill Bates]

I sure hope he gets it but It is way out of what I would pay.

[Eric Eis]

Yes I can see his asking price for a gun in that condition to a collector. As Jack Puglisi use to say to me, find another in this condition.....:rolleyes: And he was right, I never lost money on high condition guns. You are looking at it from a shooter's prospective not a collectors prospective, totally different story. That's why I sold my D grade collection of mint guns, I did it and had 8 ga through 410, and then just looked at them on the wall, couldn't shoot them so down the road they went... It's all about what you want.

[Dean Romig]

If the gun with the raised solid rib can be verified as original and is in high condition I would be more inclined to go for it instead of the GI gun - even though it is beautiful.

A raised, solid, flat rib is extremely rare and would be very desirable to collectors. JMHO





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[Daniel G Rainey]

noticed the very nice GHE on GI and also wondered where that price came from. To me, Tony & Co. are high on a lot of their guns. We all no that is the asking price and most sellers want what the market will bear. The price is why there are many guns on Gun Broker that been on the site the two years that I have visited it.

[Mark Landskov]

There does not appear to be any markings on the rib. Also, there are spots that look like solder on the left side of the rib. The photos are not the greatest, though.

[Bill Murphy]

Remington gun, no rib markings, no problem. I would be looking more at the degree of remaining case color and the misaligned hinge screw.

[edgarspencer]

I realise that Tony can be a real high at times on guns !

To me, Tony & Co. are high on a lot of their guns.

I'm sure you will find that Lou does the pricing on internet sales, not Tony. If you're serious about a gun they have listed, call and ask to speak to Tony directly. You will find he's often very busy, but quite approachable.

[Eric Eis]

Remington gun, no rib markings, no problem. I would be looking more at the degree of remaining case color and the misaligned hinge screw.

I wondered about the hinge screw too...

[Craig Budgeon]

Tony, has never been bashful about his asking prices but he is willing to negotiate for cash and often likes to trade. I've watched Parkers bought and sold since 1971 and todays overpriced high condition Parker usually has the look of a real bargain 10-15 years hence.

[Dean Romig]

Todays overpriced high condition Parker usually has the look of a real bargain 10-15 years hence.

"Overpriced" in the opinions of folks with budget constraints and also the few who are self admitted "bottom-feeders."





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[todd allen]

To speed up access;

http://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/detail.cfm?gun_id=100764494&CFID=143501654&CFTOKEN=214f2527506c23f-76A549B3-9AF6-46B0-6BF422522613A7D6

[Craig Budgeon]

Dean, I make no recommendation to anyone to purchase this GHE, however, I am aware of Herschel purchasing a GHE 20 for more than Tonys asking price. This event took place more than 10 years ago and Herschel hadn't added in his profit yet. Individuals have to decide for themselves what is fair based on there knowledge, ponder the amount of financial pain there willing to sustain to acquire a gun, and in many cases enjoy the unsolicited input of there spouse. Finally, a fair price can be speculated using a dart board, but the only fair price will be established when the new owner takes possession of his new acquisition.

[Eric Eis]

"the amount of financial pain there willing to sustain to acquire a gun, and in many cases enjoy the unsolicited input of there spouse."

Now that's funny "unsolicited input of their spouse" :rolleyes: and so true...........

[Dean Romig]

Craig, my point was in the definition (of overpriced) of some folks who loosely use the term in relation to a value a respected seller might ascribe to a desirable gun for sale.






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[Brian Dudley]

The price point, as with many of CSMC used guns, is high. But... you have to start somewhere. And, I would think that they would NEVER sell anything if they were not willing to negotiate some.

It is a quality gun though. Great condition.
The rib looks to be the standard concave style which has nothing special about it.

[Craig Budgeon]

Dean, I knew what you met when I read your response to my first thread and I think the word expensive would have been a much better choice in hindsight. Since I was too lazy to go back and see who started this dialogue, I addressed my second thread to you to share other observations, my perceptions, and yes to inject a little humor. Craig

[Craig Budgeon]

Finally, and a question to all the participants of this thread. What gun is a better bargain Ed Muderlak's new in the box Trojan 12 which sold more than a decade ago at auction for 10K plus buyer premium or Tony Galazan's GHE 12 which appears to be a 92-95% gun for 15K. Personally I can't decide.

[Jeff Christie]

Parkers are not about bargains; Parkers are about stewardship.

[Dean Romig]

A new in box Trojan is a gun for the serious collector. It is a benchmark Parker. To the true collector it is not a gun to be fired. It is one of the centerpieces of a coveted collection.

A 92-95% GHE 12 is a different story altogether. It has been fired. It may be fired again. In fact, it is highly likely that it will be fired again.

There is a man for each of these guns and to ask us to choose which we would prefer is like asking if we would prefer a really fine painting or a two year old Ford 4X4.




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[Craig Budgeon]

Jeff a bargain is not only buying something cheap but also an agreement or contract. When I buy a Parker, I try to strike a bargain. It helps to attain ownership of a Parker before you begin stewardship. Dean, yes the two guns are very different. My point of choosing between the two is the two guns represent the best condition for there respective grade and gage that I recall. Both guns are very desirable to collectors and I'm curious why one collector would choose to own one over the other. After pondering my choice for 24 hrs I would choose the GHE , its a lot prettier. If I owned The GHE it would never have anything in its chambers but snap caps, never leave my home unless in a hard case, and never be exposed to the outdoors. I realize that if I spent a full pheasant season hunting the GHE I might be able to reduce its value by as much as $3000-$4000 and I'm sure that grouse hunting it in the Adirondacks for 2 seasons would reduce its value to the point that nearly everyone who reads this forum could afford the gun. No I'm not negotiating with Tony to own it.

[Bill Murphy]

I commented about Ed's Trojan, but I'm not sure I got the details right, so I deleted. It was a nice gun.

[Dean Romig]

I was never aware of those details Bill.
Are those details documented somewhere?




Oops... Maybe I should delete my question too?
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[Brian Hornacek]

The reason I asked is I was in the process of buying a couple GHE Rem guns. I have posted the detail in a new thread on the guns.

[Eric Eis]

Well I'm glad this thread got your butt in gear on those other two guns :rotf: Those two are great finds.

[Bill Murphy]

Dean, I mistakenly thought that a Julia Trojan that sold for $9200 plus BP was Ed's old gun. I discovered that Ed's gun was another Julia gun that truly did sell for over ten grand. I have two benchmark Trojan 12s in my collection and wouldn't even think about taking them out into the bush. Details on Ed's gun are in old PGCA forum posts and on Julia's site.