Bo Whoop on Beaver Dam Video

[Bill Holcombe]

Thought some of yall might enjoy this video. I have only watched the beginning of it, but it is quite well done so far. I hadn't seen it posted so thought I would share. Not necessarily parker related, but we have discussed bo whoop on the general forum before.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://vimeopro.com/ducksunlimited/du-films-2016/video/167422567&ved=0ahUKEwic6835gIDOAhVDF2MKHb6zAjMQFghdMBE&usg=AFQjCNGQVimph-bXPgvArQnhImooodseuQ&sig2=qR0BL7Nj0UiSJAU0XYK7gw

[Dean Romig]

That movie was a great honor to both Nash and Bo-Whoop. Very enjoyable to watch.





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[Frank Childrey]

Great video and historic shotgun . . . however . . . I'd like to point out that when one closes a double gun, he should bring the stock up to the barrels. I only noticed one hunter doing that. I know, picky, picky.

[Dean Romig]

When one closes a double gun, he should bring the stock up to the barrels. I know, picky, picky.


I've heard that all my life but nobody has ever given a conclusive reason for doing so. Not to sound trite but, what difference does it make?
If you have a set of barrels that weigh about 4 lbs. and the action and stock also weigh about the same..... what possible difference could it make?






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[Rick Losey]

lifting the stock actually seems more awkward - especially in a duck blind or clay station box - since the barrels are pointing down (or else the shells fall out :) )

raising the barrels results in a gun naturally in a safe ready to shoot position

my nit pick was that there was no thumb on the lever to let it close gently

[Bill Holcombe]

I was surprised at the casualness with which they were shutting the gun without using the lever.

I could be wrong, but I believe with the way the physics work, pulling the barrels to the action puts more stress on the hinge then lifting the action to barrels. Probably has to do with down force.

[Dean Romig]

There was no thumb on the lever to let it close gently.


Precisely Rick!

Regardless of how one chooses to close his gun (or in this case, a valuable borrowed gun) it is most important to close it gently - not forcefully as may often be the temptation in an exciting hunting situation.

But then, 'to each his own' in closing a fine gun. Watch this clip and note how David Trevallion closes Parker No. 168304 "The Czar's Parker."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqLeq8geOPI&feature=related

I would be hesitant to tell David how to close a fine gun....:whistle:





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[Kevin McCormack]

Gently is the key word here - there is no need to "baby" them closed. In fact, guns with pawl-type rotary bolts that key through the opening in the extended rib (LC Smith, Fox, etc.) are better served by firm closing - not slamming them shut, but allowing the bolt to go home without impeding it in any way. Full travel of the bolt in this situation prevents undue/premature wear through insufficient surface contact of the bearing surfaces.

[Bill Murphy]

I think DT knows how to close a shotgun and realizes that the Czar's Gun isn't going to wear out from being snapped shut. In my opinion, "stock lifters" are very showy in their attempts to be British. It's a girly thing. You won't catch DT stock lifting and he's a real Brit.

[Dean Romig]

I shudder and cringe to think what he might say about the practice... :eek:





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[Rick Losey]

Right - if you notice - even if he does not catch the lever - it couldn't be much more gentle if he did - and gun is never going to get a lot of wear anyway

the other extreme is a guy who offered me a Daly 20ga many years ago- the gun was not in bad condition finish wise- but the lever was well left of center and the gun was loose- when I mentioned it he says - oh it locks up tight - and proceed to sharply snap the barrel into position with a fast jerk of his wrist :shock: I passed

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I can't get too excited about this. I've never been convinced this was the real gun.

DLH

[Bill Holcombe]

I can't get too excited about this. I've never been convinced this was the real gun.

DLH

Destry I remember you previously being dubious about this gun, just curious as to why?

[Destry L. Hoffard]

The back story is shady.

That awful hand stamped lettering on the barrels not being mentioned in the actual ad that Buckingham ran offering a reward for it's return.

Other things.

[Frank Childrey]

Whew! I had no intention of stirring things up, but . . . Purdey, as a company, suggests that their guns be closed with the stock brought to the barrels. I've heard that in the very earliest days of wingshooting over pointing dogs with "new-fangled breechloaders," the barrels were held steady, toward the ground and safely away from the dogs, and closed by bringing the stock up to the barrels. Shooters, at the time, were not entirely convinced that the gun might not go off, and this added a measure of safety. But, to each his own.
I learned from my grandfather and father; they always brought the stock to the barrels
with their thumbs on the top lever. But, only real point was that the hunters took a fairly cavalier attitude with the gun, and I was surprised.

[Bill Holcombe]

The back story is shady.

That awful hand stamped lettering on the barrels not being mentioned in the actual ad that Buckingham ran offering a reward for it's return.

Other things.

Nash also got the serial number wrong and was known to forget the name of his bird dog while hunting so it is entirely possible it slipped his mind but who knows.

[Dean Romig]

Whew! I had no intention of stirring things up, but . . . Purdey, as a company, suggests that their guns be closed with the stock brought to the barrels. I've heard that in the very earliest days of wingshooting over pointing dogs with "new-fangled breechloaders," the barrels were held steady, toward the ground and safely away from the dogs, and closed by bringing the stock up to the barrels. Shooters, at the time, were not entirely convinced that the gun might not go off, and this added a measure of safety. But, to each his own.
I learned from my grandfather and father; they always brought the stock to the barrels
with their thumbs on the top lever. But, only real point was that the hunters took a fairly cavalier attitude with the gun, and I was surprised.


Well, for what it's worth, David apprenticed with Purdey's and worked as as stocker there for several years before coming here in the 1970's so if it was the 'accepted' method of closing a gun at Purdey's it surely didn't run off on him.






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[charlie cleveland]

looks like i have been closeing my gun wrong for a lot of years...charlie

[Destry L. Hoffard]

And I will continue to do it wrong.

[todd allen]

As long as the action is closed gently, why would it matter which end is stationary?

[Bill Holcombe]

Gentle is the key, but if you do consider the physics, bringing the barrels down puts force on the joint. If you bring the action up most of that force is applied to the water table and less would impact the hinge.