Word about town

[Eric Grims]

Got an email note from a friend about a very nice and VERY pricey gun at the gun shop in Whitfield N.H. Note said:
"It's a 20 Ga. BHE straight stocked, skeleton butt plate with 32" yes 32" barrels, not refinished and about 90+%. Stunning engraving and case colors. Sell all your guns you can part with so you can write an article for Double Gun Journal on this masterpiece. The store has it in on consignment for a paltry $35,000."

I shoot pretty regularly in the Haverall area and might make a diversion on my way home and drool at it sometime.

[Dean Romig]

I just checked... They're not open today.
It's only 2.5 hours from where I am. I can see a short road trip tomorrow.






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[Eric Grims]

That's neat. May be a good day for a drive. I've been there only a few times over the years. I'd call before I left just to be sure it's still there etc.

[Stephen Hodges]

I know the new owner of Village Guns, Josh, and he is a really nice guy. Took the store over last year from the previous LONG time owner. He Is former military. He would be good to deal with, very honest guy.

[Richard Flanders]

Looking forward to some pics of that one resting in Deans gun rack.....:corn:

[Bill Murphy]

Is this the same BHE 32" 20 that has been discussed on this site recently?

[Chris Travinski]

We need pictures!!!

[Craig Larter]

Go Dean Go!!!!

[Alfred Greeson]

Good luck Dean, we look forward to the pictures!

[David Dwyer]

That is a steal!!! I know of an AHE 20ga high condition 32" that sold for over $100,000! Go Dean!
David

[Dean Romig]

I sure hope the seller isn't watching this thread... :whistle:






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[Alfred Greeson]

That's o.k., we all know you only want that old Parker for those 32 inch barrels, probably fit them on another gun for a 2 barrel set and sell the action on Ebay!

[Dean Romig]

The gun has sold. I had planned to examine it tomorrow... too late though.

Has anyone offered you a 'finder's fee' Eric?






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[Alfred Greeson]

Dean, sorry that one got away.

[Eric Grims]

No Dean no fee but it looks like that gun sold itself.
It would be interesting to know its history and why it was ordered and configured the way it was. Trap or pigeon gun? My guess is many of those go to the range, then back in the closet or safe out of the brush and sun over the years and retain their condition.
Lovely as it is I'd like to go out just once, sit on a bucket and shoot some barn pigeons with it for a few hours. You know, stretch some shots a bit. Then back in the safe it goes.

[Rich Anderson]

Eric I can't help you with the barn pigeons but if you come to either the Southern or Hausmanns I can let you shoot my BHE 32 inch 20 at some clays. It has quickly become my favorite Parker.

I wonder how close to the asking price it sold for? Does anyone know if it was a 1 frame or an O frame?

[Alfred Greeson]

Anyone who finds details on that gun, please pass it on. I hope one of our members got it. Talking with a dealer in the Northeast about why great condition Parkers are found there.....he said years ago, well to do people would get an invitation to hunt or shoot and often they would buy a high grade Parker, use it once or twice and then it would stay in the closet, maybe for years. Makes sense. Compare that to my home county in TN where the only two Parkers that I ever knew of belonged to the county judge and the hardware store owner. So, I look forward to hearing what you guys find and seeing pictures.

[Dean Romig]

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. It is likely to go into a collection and not be seen again for decades. That's often how these high grade - high condition Parkers go.






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[Rich Anderson]

That's a shame really IMHO there is nothing wrong with using it. It's like having a nice 69 Z28 Camaro but it never leaves the garage.

I have a nice DHE 20 with all the options and it had about 90% original case color when I got it. Some here were shocked when I said I would use it. I have used it and it has probably 80-85% case color now but that's for the next guy to worry about I like using the gun.

[Dean Romig]

That's fine as long as it had been fired before your ownership.

I had a Parker that I believe had never been fired and as long as I owned it it never was. I believe the new owner will never fire it either.

There are damn few Parkers we can hold up as 'benchmark' guns and for posterity's sake they should remain so....IMHO.






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[Rich Anderson]

I agree with that IF it's unfired. The original post on the BHE 20 didn't say anything about it being unfired. I see nothing wrong with using a 90% or better gun. I just sold a benchmark 20ga skeet gun. It had been used but very little and I wasn't going to use it. It helped me get the BHE 20 which I dearly enjoy using.

[CraigThompson]

I couldn't disagree more ! Fired , fired very little or unfired be it a VH or anything up to and including an A1 if I pay for it , it's a 99% given I'll shoot it . And again that's the buyers prerogative .

[greg conomos]

I currently have 4 Parkers I've never fired. They've been fired plenty of times by someone else, though....I just haven't gotten around to shooting them yet.

[Rich Anderson]

I have rifles that I haven't gotten around to shooting...yet. to many rifles and not enough deer season:)

[CraigThompson]

I currently have 4 Parkers I've never fired. They've been fired plenty of times by someone else, though....I just haven't gotten around to shooting them yet.

I'd fix that little predicament in about an hour with four boxes of shells and a trip to my club skeet/trap field 😉👍🏻

[John Dallas]

About 15 years ago, I bought an unfired M42 with original vent rib. It didn't stay unfired for long, and is one of my favorite guns. It also is now sporting a set of Fajen straight grip English Walnut. (The original wood is carefully put away)

[Dean Romig]

To each his own, indeed.

The more scarce an original unfired Parker becomes, the more valuable they become.

...to collectors... we are a collectors organization, aren't we?




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[greg conomos]

If I had an unfired Parker, I'd never fire it either. I figure if it made it this long without being fired, why should some goon like me ruin it?

But shame on the person who bought it new and never fired it!

[Rich Anderson]

To each his own, indeed.

The more scarce an original unfired Parker becomes, the more valuable they become.

...to collectors... we are a collectors organization, aren't we?




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We are a collectors organization but I'll bet you there are far more members who shoot their Parkers, Winchesters, Fox's etc. than those who just store them away for posterity. I have had NIB guns and kept them for a while and never used them. The time came when I just didn't see the point anymore and sold them to a "collector". I like and enjoy a nice gun as much as anyone but it has to be something I'm not afraid to use.

[MARK KIRCHER]

Rich -

This is a discussion we hash and rehash at the club.

It is certainly a personal decision. I for one, have passed through the phase of wanting to collect "pristine guns" just to have them. I believe I have swung all way to the other side as I now look at 90+% guns "as too nice to own" - Aka... what would I do with it if I bought it? Cant hunt with it....lose big money if I scratch it......not a good fit for me.
Others in our group have opposite outlook - 90%+ no problem.....lets take it out and hunt it. Only live once!

I am a bit jealous of those guys.....:)

[greg conomos]

About 15 years ago, I bought an unfired M42 with original vent rib. It didn't stay unfired for long, and is one of my favorite guns. It also is now sporting a set of Fajen straight grip English Walnut. (The original wood is carefully put away)


Well, a Winchester? Who cares? lol...


Reminds me of a story....

This young Jewish guy decides to get married, so he goes to the Rabbi to ask for help in finding a mate. The Rabbi sets him up with a series of good Jewish girls. After about 10 dates, the young man goes back and says, 'Rabbi, I've decided to marry a Christian girl."

"Oy vey," cries the Rabbi, "Why would you go and do such a thing??!!"

The young man replies, "Well, these Jewish girls, they're all the same. All they do is complain - My elbow hurts! It's too cold in here! It's too hot in here! The soup is too salty!"

The Rabbi says "Sure they complain - so tell me - do you think a Christian girl isn't gonna complain too?"

"Sure," said the young man, "But a Christian girl - who cares??!!"

[CraigThompson]

Rich -

This is a discussion we hash and rehash at the club.

It is certainly a personal decision. I for one, have passed through the phase of wanting to collect "pristine guns" just to have them. I believe I have swung all way to the other side as I now look at 90+% guns "as too nice to own" - Aka... what would I do with it if I bought it? Cant hunt with it....lose big money if I scratch it......not a good fit for me.
Others in our group have opposite outlook - 90%+ no problem.....lets take it out and hunt it. Only live once!

I am a bit jealous of those guys.....:)

I work on the premise that I use all guns I buy now REGARDLESS of condition . I used to have stuff I didn't have a whole lot of inclanation to shoot but those days have passed !

[CraigThompson]

To each his own, indeed.

The more scarce an original unfired Parker becomes, the more valuable they become.

...to collectors... we are a collectors organization, aren't we?




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Life is not based solely on VALUE or MONEY !

[Dean Romig]

Life is not based solely on VALUE or MONEY !


Right! - but you'll never see me throwing it away ;)





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[Alfred Greeson]

Great discussion. I am blessed with a few Parkers, some high condition but I will shoot any of them and will never have enough time to put much wear on them so they are safe for the next owner. It is great to clean and admire them and shoot when I can. Thanks to everyone for the great forum, it continues to educate and inform and the Parker Pages is just a great item and seems to get better with each issue! Can't say enough about all the work that goes into it and how well it is done!

[Craig Larter]

Many seem to need to use something to justify the cost, they see objects more as tools. Many see the same objects as art and can appreciate them without using them as originally intended. Most are somewhere in between. I have some guns and a antique decoy collection that I really enjoy to look at but have no need to use them, I justify owning them because they bring me joy. And I think that is the bottom line for everyone, if you don't get joy out of owning an object remove it from your life. Life is to short to be burdened with things we don't enjoy.

[Greg Baehman]

Many seem to need to use something to justify the cost, they see objects more as tools. Many see the same objects as art and can appreciate them without using them as originally intended. Most are somewhere in between. I have some guns and a antique decoy collection that I really enjoy to look at but have no need to use them, I justify owning them because they bring me joy. And I think that is the bottom line for everyone, if you don't get joy out of owning an object remove it from your life. Life is to short to be burden with things we don't enjoy.
Well said, Craig.

[George M. Purtill]

You are a smart dude Craig Larter.

[David Lien]

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Originally Posted by John Dallas View Post
About 15 years ago, I bought an unfired M42 with original vent rib. It didn't stay unfired for long, and is one of my favorite guns. It also is now sporting a set of Fajen straight grip English Walnut. (The original wood is carefully put away)
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Well A Winchester Who Cares LOL

Reminds me of a story....

This young Jewish guy decides to get married, so he goes to the Rabbi to ask for help in finding a mate. The Rabbi sets him up with a series of good Jewish girls. After about 10 dates, the young man goes back and says, 'Rabbi, I've decided to marry a Christian girl."

"Oy vey," cries the Rabbi, "Why would you go and do such a thing??!!"

The young man replies, "Well, these Jewish girls, they're all the same. All they do is complain - My elbow hurts! It's too cold in here! It's too hot in here! The soup is too salty!"



The Rabbi says "Sure they complain - so tell me - do you think a Christian girl isn't gonna complain too?"

"Sure," said the young man, "But a Christian girl - who cares??!!"[/QUOTE]
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This winchester left the Custom Shop in 1962. It carried AAA wood, 28" Barrels, Close chokes, 13 7/8" LOP, To a hard Butt Plate, 2 1/4" DAH, 1/4" right hand cast off. This gun always was a rainy day and field gun. Rain, Snow, Cold weather and mud. Different men fondling, and sometimes different men having their way with the gun. Many times being made to sleep in the kennel with the dogs. Finish and checkering is mostly gone from the stock, and much of the blueing is gone.

"OY-VEY" How can this be.
WELL-----" A WINCHESTER WHO CARES" ----- LOL




I DID NOT OWN THIS GUN EARLY IN ITS LIFE OR WAS I RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF THE FIELD TRIAL RIBBONS DISPLAYED




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[Larry Stauch]

Good Morning Guys;

I think the little BHE with 32" barrels is on Guns International this morning.:shock:

[Brian Hornacek]

Also on Gunbroker this morning. A good ole fashion quick flip!

[George M. Purtill]

Gunbroker. How do you do both?

[Brian Hornacek]

They post their phone number and direct e-mail to force a direct transaction also the majority of shops have there entire inventory for sale on GB. As long as the reserve is never hit the auction can be ended whenever, with no sale. Look through Gunbroker and you will find 1,000's of ad's like that. GB is pretty cheap advertising for a shops inventory.

[Craig Larter]

What a beautiful example from a great period of Parker production. A very elegant small bore with long barrels-----George? Dean?? Somebody???

[George M. Purtill]

Craig- I just bought a John Deere tractor..........

BTW what is his POR?

[Paul Ehlers]

Anybody have the price yet? I love the ad: Consignment, as-is, no returns, USPS Money order only, 500.00 shipping charge.

GEEZ, A gun like this without an inspection period! Can you imagine strolling into your branch post office with at least $35,000.00 in cash and asking for money orders. You would be there for hours filling them out.

[Todd Schrock]

Well, it looks like we may know the price in two weeks.....the gun is listed on GB with the current bid at $20,000.00

[greg conomos]

The seller, a dealer, implies that the guy who bought the gun recently got into a pinch with his old lady and is now wanting to sell it to make her once again docile. Or at least less beastly, as the case may be. Well, I can't say I admire his sense of priorities but the gun sure looks nice. I especially like the flowers engraved on the sides.

[Dean Romig]

What a beautiful example from a great period of Parker production. A very elegant small bore with long barrels-----George? Dean?? Somebody???


Yes, an absolute sweetheart... lets see where it goes.

It certainly could have nicer wood. For a grade 5 I would expect some nicely figured French or Turkish walnut.






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[Brian Hornacek]

The seller, a dealer, implies that the guy who bought the gun recently got into a pinch with his old lady and is now wanting to sell it to make her once again docile. Or at least less beastly, as the case may be. Well, I can't say I admire his sense of priorities but the gun sure looks nice. I especially like the flowers engraved on the sides.

Don't believe any more from most of these folks than from most used car dealers......surprised the story wasn't more of a tear jerker like his dog needed an operation.

POR is price on request.

[Alfred Greeson]

Bid is up to $26,300, reserve not met.

[Rich Anderson]

TPS list 21 guns produced with this configuration and 30% (6) have straight grip stocks. This is the second such gun I have seen in recent months. It is also the second with floral engraving.

[Mills Morrison]

It's on Gunsinternational too. P. O. R. If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[Dean Romig]

It will be interesting to see if it makes the reserve on GB.






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[Jim DiSpagno]

A little over 30k reserve not met as of 10:45am today

[MARK KIRCHER]

I spoke with the gunshop representing the seller yesterday. I was told the P.O.R. has been changed to N.P.O.R. - that is to say no price will be shared until after the GB auction has run its course.

I pressed a bit and was told I could make an offer to be presented to the owner but if I was to do so it should be at a minimum of 50K and I should expect it will most likely be rejected. The feeling apparently being the gun is worth multiple wheelbarrows full of money and the market will determine how many.

So .... while I did have a high level of interest in this gun....My interest may have peaked in the latter moments of that conversation.

He also stated they intend to post a for sale price on GI if the auction does not meet the reserve on GB.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. :corn:

Either way it is a sweet little Parker and I hope to have an opportunity to shoulder it someday. Good luck to all!

[Dean Romig]

I could make an offer to be presented to the owner but if I was to do so it should be at a minimum of 50K and I should expect it will most likely be rejected.


It seems we can take it that the gun really isn't for sale at all if offers over $50k will most likely be rejected. I'm guessing the gunshop isn't really representing the seller very well if he makes such statements....:shock:






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[Howard Loewensteiner]

my two cents worth. you can buy some great parkers for 50k without a hassle

[Jim DiSpagno]

You are so right. Milking the cow for all its worth.

[George M. Purtill]

My two cents- I get the feeling that the seller and his agent are paranoid about pricing their treasure. My guess is they have set the reserve so high that it cannot sell and they are using GB to do a appraisal of their treasure. I had the same experience with a fellow in New England.
I think it is childish and I want nothing to do with it.
Like Howard says- you can buy lots of nice guns without a hassle.

[Josh Loewensteiner]

I have gotten very excited about various high grade guns before, but regardless of that excitement, I would never, ever, consider buying a gun anywhere that the seller wouldnt give even a 1 day non firing inspection. Caveat emptor....

[Dean Romig]

I think you nailed it George!

Caveat Venditor as well!






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[Rich Anderson]

I think there just trolling to find a value. It's worth $35K to the guy that bought it from KTP no more no less.

Mark you shouldered one just like it at Hausmanns:rotf:

[Mills Morrison]

Notice the shipping and handling on the GB auction is $500:eek:

[Howard Loewensteiner]

one thing I learned a long time ago is you can't act as the buyer and seller both. the owner has to put a price on his merchandise. This is a very nice gun,but not unique.

[Bill Anderson]

If a gun is described well, with pictures, and the seller answers any questions that I might have or sends another angle of a picture I'm requesting, I usually bid. I have been pleased with the two guns I bought from Amoskeag, one from Rock Island, two from Redding, all are auction companies with a no return policy and bought them without attending the auction in person. I think just about all of the 100s of the Prox-Bid auctions also are "as is".

Bill

[Bill Murphy]

We may see this gun "sell" at a price that will be public. In a few days, it will reappear on some site to be resold, probably by the same seller. If someone wants to find out what it will sell for, that bad, he will bid it up and disappear.

[Rich Anderson]

The gun is sold from KTP a dealer of guns and the seller thinks he's going to flip it for a $15K profit! I don't know what he's drinking but please pass the bottle:):)

[Dean Romig]

Rich - the gun was not sold at Kittery Trading Post in Maine, but at a shop in Northwestern New Hampshire. Now it's in a shop in Western Pennsylvania.






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[Rich Anderson]

That's what I get for thinking:) Either way it was sold from a place that had to have some idea of what it was. I'm sure they didn't pick the asking price out of thin air.

[Kenny Graft]

I know the dealer, New Castle PA.. He has been getting better guns all the time. He is there to make money. His mistake was to list it so soon. He needed to keep it out of sight for a while.....SXS Ohio

[Rick Losey]

how long should he have held it for a 15K increase?

[Patrick Butler]

I emailed for the POR on the Guns International listing and received a reply a few hours ago that "the owner is asking $49,000."

Patrick

[greg conomos]

I'm all for capitalism. Except for flippers.

[Dean Romig]

Again, the question arises, How long should he have kept the gun under wraps before he chose to capitalize on the previous seller's error in not doing his due diligence in determining the retail market value of it?

It's a tough world out there. I've been stung by it and I'll bet most of us have been stung one way or the other. The value of something is its value - it's that simple, regardless of how long someone has owned it or who can, or can't, afford to pay that value. It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's just the world we live in.





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[Bill Murphy]

Dean, your being "stung" sounds like a great PP article. Give us a synopsis here to get us ready for the article.

[Dean Romig]

After you Bill :coffee:






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[greg conomos]

Well....we all gotta make money appear in our bank accounts, I guess, but I've always had a lot more respect for people who do something, produce something, or add value to something than those who simply are opportunists.

I think the universe would be far happier to see the gun (any gun) sell to someone who will use it to shoot and cherish it than someone who thinks he can use it to transfer money from someone else's bank account to his next week. Incredibly old-fashioned and out of fashion ideas, I know.


At the end of the day...I'm not at all convinced there was any error made by the previous seller. Mainly because I'm thinking $35K for such a gun is probably very close to 'market price'...if not at the high end of the range. Time will tell...

[Dean Romig]

Well....we all gotta make money appear in our bank accounts, I guess, but I've always had a lot more respect for people who do something, produce something, or add value to something than those who simply are opportunists.

I think the universe would be far happier to see the gun (any gun) sell to someone who will use it to shoot and cherish it than someone who thinks he can use it to transfer money from someone else's bank account to his next week. Incredibly old-fashioned and out of fashion ideas, I know.


At the end of the day... Time will tell...


Good points Greg - I agree.






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[Rich Anderson]

Maybe I should sell mine it's not in the condition of the one being discussed but I wouldn't ask $49K for it either..........on second thought it's just money and where will I find another one that's affordable ($49K isn't affordable to me) and I ENJOY shooting it. :) I doubt this gun will ever see a sporting clays course or a duck blind which is a shame really.

[Mills Morrison]

I would rather have a well used Widgeon Duck Club gun that I can take to the duck blind and clays course with no reservations

[Chris Travinski]

Can you post some pictures of your BHE Rich?

[David Lien]

Quote Fishtail

Well....we all gotta make money appear in our bank accounts, I guess, but I've always had a lot more respect for people who do something, produce something, or add value to something than those who simply are opportunists.

I think the universe would be far happier to see the gun (any gun) sell to someone who will use it to shoot and cherish it than someone who thinks he can use it to transfer money from someone else's bank account to his next week. Incredibly old-fashioned and out of fashion ideas, I know.


At the end of the day...I'm not at all convinced there was any error made by the previous seller. Mainly because I'm thinking $35K for such a gun is probably very close to 'market price'...if not at the high end of the range. Time will tell...:whistle:

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"OY VEY" Cries this old Man "What is going on here"??? XLVIIIMMM "Maximus Moneymus" Is the answer from the clouds...:bowdown:
David

[MARK KIRCHER]

at the risk of speaking out of turn.....

does anyone else find it a bit curious that the bidding stopped very very close to the stated (on this site) "reserve" (or sellers desired price 49K or 50+K).....?????

No requirement to buy as reserve was not met..........sure makes for a nice set up when the buy it now price is posted....

Were the high end bidders friends of ours on this site? I do not recognize them?

just one man's opinion.....I have probably said too much.

Goodness gracious that is a sweet little gun!!!!

[Rich Anderson]

It is a sweet gun...a lot sweeter at 35K. IMHO 50k is out of line.

[Bill Murphy]

No way. It's worth every penny. How much??

[David Lien]

No way. It's worth every penny. How much??

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/571227887

[Mills Morrison]

My guess is the seller is looking to strike a deal with one of the top bidders

[Paul Ehlers]

I find this entire thing to be more than a little crazy. Just from watching this from the side lines. I've determined that I will have this dealer on my caution beware list, if not on the outright do not deal with list.

That's just me and I hope I haven't stepped out of line or offended anyone.

[Bill Anderson]

Some of the comments about this Parker are sounding just like a bunch of old "biddys" in the basement of a church on bingo night or someone peeping over a fence with binoculars observing the goings on at the new neighbor's house. For Christ's sake, the seller is obligated to the consignor to make as much on the sale as possible, and most likely is being strongly guided by what the owner says and wants. If I consigned a gun, that is what I would want. I don't think it's trickery or espionage, or caring where the gun ends up, it's just a sale of rare gun, that's all. That is why I spend very little time commenting on discussion forums compared to most, because things can go way off topic or over the top sometimes and I usually just sign off and forget about it. But this time the conversation just got too ridiculous and comical for me to bear. This thread makes me think I'm really reading it on Doublegun, BBS. More than myself, I'm sure, would hope to have the chance to do what the consignor has done. If you just look at it for what it is, instead of through envy or trying to figure what kind of a scheme is going on, there is not much to talk about.

Bill

[Dean Romig]

If you just look at it for what it is there is not much to talk about.
Bill


Except the fact that it is a fabulous BHE 20 in very nice condition and in a very desirable configuration.






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[Bill Anderson]

Now that, I can agree with!

[Bill Murphy]

Bird season is just around the corner. Not only that, the seller has M-1 Carbine ammunition and a consecutive pair of camo Browning duck guns to sell.

[David Dwyer]

David Liem
I completely agree with everything you said! I will not purchase from, or sell to, a flipper but everyone need to eat
This is a great thread with several different but valid points of view.

David

[Rich Anderson]

I think the new owner (The Flipper) has great expectations as to the true value of his investment.

As I have mentioned before according to TPS only about 6 guns were produced with straight grip and 32 inch barrels. I know the whereabouts of three and two of them are for sale.

[MARK KIRCHER]

Ok so .........the auction goes off at 48K
The gun is for sale (still there) on GI for 50K #100726105
The high bidder and dealer can't get together on this gun? They can't find a price point to satisfy each other????
What is the high bidder thinking??? I will pay 48K but not 49K or 50k??? I am going to hold out for the next one ...:rotf:
How about the seller? That extra 2K or less is gonna break the deal??? only a 13K profit in a week is unaccepatble??? He has to get all 15K????:banghead:
Really......is it still unresonable to conclude the high bidder (who bid right up to the resrve but did not hit it) was a ghost....
If he is real he should be shouldering the gun right now.
Guns like that don't likely get passed over for another 2-4% - not in this market.
If he is real and out there, I hope we hear from this mysterious bidder. I would love to hear his though process on this whole........... cherade.

[Bill Murphy]

Real bidder? Hardly.

[Dean Romig]

it is an attempt to determine its high value... IMHO





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[Eric Eis]

it is an attempt to determine its high value... IMHO





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By the seller going through a shill bidder......:nono:

[Mark Ouellette]

it is an attempt to determine its high value... IMHO

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More likely an attempt to set the value with a couple of shill bidders.

[Mills Morrison]

I cannot imagine bidding $48,000 for a gun on Gunbroker.

[greg conomos]

Yea....it seems a visit in person might be more fitting. Then, I've bought cars for $40K on Ebay....

But the odds of this gun not being shill bid are right at zero...

[WILLIAM STANELL]

This gun didn't sell at a recent auction

[George M. Purtill]

This gun is a new one day auction on GB every day. It is obnoxious. I have to delete my search every day.
What a clown.

[Mills Morrison]

It is very obnoxious. It's a free country, though, I guess

[Rich Anderson]

The Flipper thought he would turn a quick profit, I guess he was wrong.

[Bill Murphy]

The fact that is proven is that the seller had at least one shill auction where he did not accept a $48000 bid. Obviously, that was a shill bid.

[MARK KIRCHER]

Easy now you old biddys..........lets save this talk for bingo night.......:rotf:

[Russ Jackson]

Easy now you old biddys..........lets save this talk for bingo night.......:rotf:

:rotf::rotf::rotf:

[Alfred Greeson]

I'm just glad it's over, it was wearing me out!

[Bill Anderson]

You don't have to wait til bingo night, you already have it here. I think some of you are just flat out pissed because you either didn't get to this gun first or couldn't afford it if you would have. And that reaction is truly funny!

Bill

[David Noble]

So, did it sell?

[Mills Morrison]

What I wanted is the GH 20 gauge with 32" barrels that recently sold on Gunbroker. It was out of my price range, but not way out. It also had honest wear, so you wouldn't feel guilty about using it.

[Dean Romig]

Mills, I'm shocked that gun went for what it did.... I was the first bidder and kept watching until it started to get silly.
Last year David Trevallion had an identical gun in his shop that had been there for years, (owner couldn't decide what he wanted done), except the gun at his shop had an original stock. It was apparently not for sale, as I had made an extremely attractive offer but the owner said it was a family heirloom and he wouldn't sell at any price.





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[scott kittredge]

What I wanted is the GH 20 gauge with 32" barrels that recently sold on Gunbroker. It was out of my price range, but not way out. It also had honest wear, so you wouldn't feel guilty about using it.

Me too, I ran it up to 7700.00+ range than gave up:crying: maybe the next one:)
scott

[Dean Romig]

Scott, there comes a point where common-sense economics needs to come into play... enough is enough!

I've played that game before - "Damn the price tag - Full speed ahead!" and have been 'upside-down' on a gun. Never again! (file that under "Famous Last Words") :whistle:





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[Mills Morrison]

Getting upside down on a few guns is just the price of admission to this hobby

[scott kittredge]

Scott, there comes a point where common-sense economics needs to come into play... enough is enough!

I've played that game before - "Damn the price tag - Full speed ahead!" and have been 'upside-down' on a gun. Never again! (file that under "Famous Last Words") :whistle:





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I hope I did ok with the PH 10 ga?? :whistle:

[greg conomos]

There was a nice straight grip GHE 20 with 32" vent rib barrels in the Julia Auction several years ago. I thought I was gonna buy it...man was I wrong about that!

[MARK KIRCHER]

Everytime I have passed on a small bore parker because it was 10% or even 15% higher than I would ever consider paying in my wildest fits of abandon......I wake up a couple years later and see one like it sell for more! Then I think of all the times I could have carried shouldered and shot that gun and still been $$$ ahead. Its easy to lose money on guns. You have to reallllllllly overpay to lose money on small bores....(20 ga GH ejector straight grip 32" you dont see those everyday)....and even then you most likely can just wait it out.:whistle:

Anybody have any long barrel 20 bores they want to sell? please send me a PM:)

[Rich Anderson]

I'm trying to convince myself I don't want another gun. I know I don't need another one but that really doesn't come into play.

Long barreled small bores are like young curvy redheads....fun to look at, wonderful to hold.....and expensive:rotf:

I passed on a DHE 32 inch vent rib 16 at the Southern a year or so ago. It was short and would have needed either a restock or a big spacer. I thought it was a lot of money for a gun just to shoot clay targets with BUT I wish I had it:cuss:

[Bob Jurewicz]

The original topic gun of this thread is now listed as "SOLD" on its
Guns International Listing

[Bill Murphy]

Yup, got an email from the seller. $47,000. The GHE 20 is a great gun. Too bad the serial number is too high for a decent letter. Check that recoil pad.