Here we go again

[Pete Lester]

With the temperature of the gun control debate reaching the boiling point there are reports today that AR's are flying off the shelves. I suspect 22 rimfire and many centerfire cartridges will as well, reloading powder too. I hate to join the hoarders but buying what you will eventually use seems prudent to me given the situation.

[John Campbell]

A word to the wise is sufficient.

Personally, I stocked up BIG TIME during the last panic. And the panic before that. And the one before that.

I should be good until after November...

[Kirk Mckinney]

Well I have 4lbs of tite group at 5 grains a load that should last a while for my 45acp and 16 lbs of 700x for my shotgun. I would think that was enough. What do y'all think

[charlie cleveland]

there goes my vacation money..ha charlie

[Bill Murphy]

I think the assault rifle business can be solved by owning a couple of nice semiautomatic rifles, in two different calibers, and maybe 1000 rounds for each, assuming you don't practice with them.

[Paul Harm]

The wife told me to buy another AR. So, being the good husband I am, off to the gun store. A new gun, ammo, clips, and a red dot sight - I was all set. I already have about 30#'s of powder, 10K/primers, 8K/wads, and 10 bags of shot. There's also plenty of 45, 380, 9mm, and 22 ammo. Then I trucked over to Bachelders with my 89 C grade Remington - it wouldn't close tight. I got the usual reply - " 40 years in the gun business and I've never seen this before ". The locking lug had a crack and was ready to break off. He said two weeks and a $175 it would be fixed. This is the same gun bought from out west that had some sort of small termite eat little lines in the wood from under the top lever to the trigger guard. After a shot I was hold the stock in my right hand and the rest of the gun in my left hand. He put it back together and you can't see where it was broken. Oh well, after relaying the ribs, redoing the barrels, and color case hardening everything, I've only got about 5K in the gun. Now this. Anyway, I'm pretty well set for guns and ammo.

[Jerry Harlow]

Hate to admit it but I stopped by WallyWorld and bought the last 500 .223 on the shelf since there is no gun show soon. Anyway, the Big Box stores like Gander are asking $500 for a thousand rounds and WallyWorld was ten cent cheaper at $0.40 per round. Get it while you can, as the title says, "here we go again."

[Steve Havener]

The Democrat Party is the Gun and Ammunition makers best business partner. I should have bought stock in Smith and Wesson, Ruger, Hornady and UMC years ago.

[Bill Murphy]

None of those companies are making the ammunition we are buying.

[Steve Havener]

None of those companies are making the ammunition we are buying.

Who cares Bill? They are making the guns and ammunition other people are buying and making a pile of dough doing it.

[Paul Harm]

Just stopped back up to where I bought the AR and got a 1000 rounds for $335. It won't last. Figure 223 will go for a buck a round soon.

[charlie cleveland]

wally world had some 22 mag ammo today i picked up a few boxes been awhile since they have had them...also picked up some dove loads gona usem in a few months....charlie

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Well I do not own an AR, or a Ruger Mini 14 so I do not need any 223 ammo, But years ago I did buy a AK-47 National Match with the 21" barrel it is pretty accurate, and very reliable, and ammo at that time was 80.00 for 1500 rounds, again that was a while back, not as far back as 15cent a gallon gas but a while back, Gary

[David Dwyer]

I also do not own an AR but two Siaga 12 ga with 20 round drums came home the last time we went through this. I was considering selling one of them but no longer. If the b***h gets in never, be able to buy one again.
David

[Rich Anderson]

I just bought 250 rounds of UMC 45 ammo. The 223 ammo is usually FMJ stuff. I have probably 10,000 55gr V-Max's. It will splat a prairie dog and an intruder. The problem is that the Cooper it's chambered in will only splat them one at a time:rotf:

[Michael Moffa]

Let's see bought an AR and a pair of Sig's last month. Also have rifle, pistol and shot reloading capability. I'm ready for the Zombie apocalypse.

[allan.mclane]

From today's Washington Free Beacon:

"The number of gun-related background checks performed in July far exceeded those of any previous July, newly released numbers from the FBI show.

"The National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS, processed nearly 2.2 million checks last month. That represents an increase of almost 600,000 checks over the previous record set last year. It is also an increase of more than a million checks over July 2011.

The July record is the latest in a string of 15 record-setting months for firearm background checks. July also saw an increase over June’s numbers as the gun industry’s seasonal lull comes to an end.

"This calendar year, with more than 16 million checks on record thus far, remains on pace to break the NICS check record for a single year set in 2015. ..."

http://freebeacon.com/issues/july-gun-sales-crush-previous-record

[Rick Losey]

the interesting statistic - which NICS would not have available

is how many are new buyer Vs current gun owners adding to what they own

[Stephen Hodges]

Just a question. Why do folks seem to need to keep up with the "black gun" purchases an ammo to go with it? Honest question.

[Dean Romig]

Probably because those seem to be the 'target' of those who would infringe upon the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

It is my firm belief that if the gun manufacturers would start making them in various shades of green, i.e., spring green, forest green, leaf green, moss green, grass green, etc., these guns would be far more readily accepted... even by folks like Hillary; heck, even by folks like Al Gore and his ilk who embrace and propound all things 'green'.... doncha think?:corn:






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[Rich Anderson]

As a people we want what we can't have either by perception or reality. If the talk is to ban black guns then lets run out and buy two because we can today but maybe not in the future. It applies to ammo shortages as well, 22LR is hard to find so buy it wherever and as often as you can even if you don't use it, same with 45ACP, 9mm pick a caliber. Reloading brass is hard to find and I'm always ;looking for something, right now it's 500 N.E. 3" cases but it's always going to be something.

By nature we are hoarders. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it:)

[Paul Harm]

For the same reason people buy another Parker - because you can. :) They're fun to shoot. :cool: Because anything the liberals hate. :p And most of all, they're not assault rifles but modern sporting arms. Assault is something someone does be it with fist, clubs, knives, or a gun. It's about personal responsibility, something that doesn't get mentioned. :banghead:

[Bruce Day]

Just a question. Why do folks seem to need to keep up with the "black gun" purchases an ammo to go with it? Honest question.

Because of this, from the front pages of the latest NRA magazine. Some people want to engage in close quarters battle such as in schools, theaters, nightclubs ,urban areas and from cars. They call these "modern sporting weapons" but I am unclear on what "sport" they are talking about .

[Paul Harm]

Have you ever heard of " Three Gun Action "? And if you need a weapon to defend in close quarters maybe that is the one to have. Bruce, everyone here knows you'd like to pick and chose what type of gun American citizens should be able to own. It's the same crap anti gunners preach all the time. They're semi autos and you don't like the way they look. It's not the gun, it's the person behind it.

[Bruce Day]

Paul I know. Some people just have to have modern sporting weapon assault rifles to prepare for the coming apocalypse, police that don't act the way they should, urban dwellers who drive out from the city to rob and pillage, Democrats in office, and Godless elected officials. Also I realize there are those hunters who feel compelled to empty a 15 round magazine at a deer or coyote as it runs across a pasture.

Who am I to deny those people their God given right to own any gun or weapon they chose up to and including 50 cal machine guns and hand grenades?

I have personal experience with 20mm gatling guns with explosive shells. Now those would really do a job on those who threaten, real or imaginary, a person's lifestyle.

[Paul Harm]

The AR platform has been around for 50 some years, and now all of a sudden because some left wing liberal democrats want to call it an assault weapon means there's something wrong with them is complete nonsense. After the 1st WW all the returning GIs used bolt actions because that's what they were used to. After the 2nd WW everyone wanted a M1, because that's what they were use to. After Naum the men started turning to ARs because that's what they were used to. Many home defense instructors like the AR because it's short, easy to handle, and no recoil. They recommend them to be kept in the bedroom where even a woman can handle one with ease. And if there's three or four intruders a 30 round magazine will take care of them. When did the subject change to machine guns or hand grenades ? And I never said anything about what is in your first paragraph, it's just your weak attempt to reinforce your anti gun attitude. What about swords, knives, or trucks ? They all have been used recently for assaults - you want to ban them also ? What it boils down to is you don't like guns with large magazines. If a Republican doesn't like something, he doesn't buy it. If a Democrat doesn't like something, he wants to outlaw it so no one can buy it. Guess that's the difference between us.

[Paul Harm]

The anti gun crowd would like to chip away at our 2nd Amendment rights. First outlaw some type of weapon, then maybe large capacity magazines, then maybe high taxes on ammo. Each time we'll loose some gun owners and pretty soon where won't be enough to fight them. Then we'll look like England or Australia. If we don't stand together we won't have anything to stand for. Either you're pro gun, or anti gun. If you don't like the way a gun looks, or the size of the magazine, and like to see then outlawed, then you're doing what the anti gunners want and you might as well call yourself anti gun. I do. It's black and white. There's no in between. The NRA is the only reason any of us own a gun today.

[John Campbell]

The anti gun crowd would like to chip away at our 2nd Amendment rights...

Ahem...
With all due respect to the various posters, please allow me to offer a solution this problem via some judicious alteration of the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment:

ORIGINALLY:
“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

ALTERNATIVELY:
A well demonized and maligned militia, being UNnecessary to the security of a police state, the right of the people to keep and, with government approval, bear Federally-approved and aesthetically threatening arms, shall occasionally be infringed at the discretion of the President and/or Department of Justice.

Do I hear any takers? Oh... perhaps one...

[King Brown]

Paul, I don't see it the way you do---but that's okay. This one was lost long ago. Cultural change in democratic societies i.e. chewing and spitting tobacco, smoking in public places and currently vociferous social unrest with inequality.

Black and white may have worked in the Wild West. Our countries are changing at almost light speed. Finding accommodation for Reason is worrying multicultural worlds where isolation and leave-me-alone isn't the answer.

You are correct about the NRA playing the strongest role to protect US shooting interests in the money game. Political parties are unreliable. All the more reason to be wary of introducing arbitrary loyalty injunctions which divide our shooting fraternities.

We didn't do this in Canada and the result was reasonably satisfactory. We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key.

[Dean Romig]

The one thing that separates us on this issue King, is that almost two-and-a-half centuries ago we chose to no longer be 'subjects' of the Realm but to be citizen soldiers, never again to be oppressed. And to never give up our arms... to anybody or any government.






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[King Brown]

As leading member of the British Commonwealth, Canada did similarly, Dean, and you and I are not separated as gun owners in our concerns for oppression and freedom. Canada's history of responsible citizenship, valour and sacrifice takes a back seat to none.

Canada developed differently from the US with an unforeseen consequence of a strong belief in our governance and institutions, not fearing responsible government---which Nova Scotia gave to the British North American colonies long ago.

The ballot worked wonderfully as expressions of a majority. No need for hoarding bullets for peace and good order of government as expressed this week on the other distinguished board. Those who don't believe in their country don't remain as citizens of a great nation.

Proof will be November. Americans believe in their country---and the ballot.

[CraigThompson]

I have yet to fall into the AR pit !

Although I have been contemplating a Stag Model 7 in 6.8 SPC for a few years . An AR-10 with two uppers one in 260 or 7-08 and a 338 Federal would also be nice .

But those rifles would be more for play and or enjoyment if I was ever to pull the trigger and actually buy .

For home defense I have the same two M1 Carbines that have been in the family for 50 plus years and a couple thousand rounds of factory ammo I've been picking up here and there when Jerry's or some other distributer had a good deal going :whistle:

I've been more intrested in adding to my powder primer and shot collection . Projectiles for my rifles are pretty flush at the moment . Plenty jacketed stuff for my long range rifles and plenty lead and molds for my cast bullet shooters .

[Eric Eis]

Paul, I don't see it the way you do---but that's okay. This one was lost long ago. Cultural change in democratic societies i.e. chewing and spitting tobacco, smoking in public places and currently vociferous social unrest with inequality.

Black and white may have worked in the Wild West. Our countries are changing at almost light speed. Finding accommodation for Reason is worrying multicultural worlds where isolation and leave-me-alone isn't the answer.

You are correct about the NRA playing the strongest role to protect US shooting interests in the money game. Political parties are unreliable. All the more reason to be wary of introducing arbitrary loyalty injunctions which divide our shooting fraternities.

We didn't do this in Canada and the result was reasonably satisfactory. We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key.

Mr King,

How do you see it...? You don't live in the US, yet you expect us to take what you say as gospel :eek: Didn't you folks up in Canada have a gun registering law that cost the taxpayers ungodly amounts of money and if I remember you "agreed with that Law" and then the law got repealed .... !
I don't know you, but I haven't ever seen you post a comment about how to, or history about Parker shotguns or any other vintage shotgun on this board or others, so I ask you when it comes to politics can you keep your comments to yourself unless it's about Canada as I don't feel you have the right to discuss our rights and our Constitution.. :nono: Sorry Eric

Moderators, If I stepped over the edge go ahead and delete my post, but I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric
Mr King,

[King Brown]

As a long-time contributor to the board, I can say there's no need to apologize to anyone for your post in general discussions etc. Nor is there an injunction of any kind for Canadians or any other nationality to post within the rules on this international board.

A previous federal government responding to a madman's massacre of female engineering students in Montreal imposed with its majority a gun registry which the succeeding federal government reversed with its majority because of its unfairness and ungodly cost.

I travel a lot and have lots of conversations in the US and overseas with Americans of every political stripe and conviction. A distinctive part of those conversations is almost invariably the comment from the Americans, "I wish we could talk this way at home."

This board is my home, Eric, with rights for me as other members. The fact that the US has been so polarized by its politics that citizens aren't talking to each other is no reason to migrate that nonsense to the board. Parker owners are better than that---and that's gospel!

[John Campbell]

[QUOTE=Eric Eis;199801 ...I am getting very tired of people outside of the USA telling me and my government what to do when they have no skin in the game....Eric [/QUOTE]

A prescient thought.

Kind of like François Hollande of France?

Who has inserted himself into the US election without invitation... And whose nation was overrun and occupied by a hostile foreign power twice within the 20th Century, alone. And is now losing scores of innocent residents and tourists to murderous "other invaders" on a weekly basis?

French gun laws really work! Or truck laws. Or knife laws...

Yep. Those of foreign geniuses sure know what's good for America...

[Eric Eis]

As a long-time contributor to the board, I can say there's no need to apologize to anyone for your post in general discussions etc. Nor is there an injunction of any kind for Canadians or any other nationality to post within the rules on this international board.

A previous federal government responding to a madman's massacre of female engineering students in Montreal imposed with its majority a gun registry which the succeeding federal government reversed with its majority because of its unfairness and ungodly cost.

I travel a lot and have lots of conversations in the US and overseas with Americans of every political stripe and conviction. A distinctive part of those conversations is almost invariably the comment from the Americans, "I wish we could talk this way at home."

This board is my home, Eric, with rights for me as other members. The fact that the US has been so polarized by its politics that citizens aren't talking to each other is no reason to migrate that nonsense to the board. Parker owners are better than that.

I'm sorry Mr. King, you are not even a member of the PGCA ("This board is my home, Eric, with rights for me as other member"),you have never helped anyone on the board with a Parker or double gun question. If and when I see you post to members questions about how to or what is this, instead of only your politics I might believe you, but I don't see that ! As to this board being your "Home" as you call it I haven't seen you post anything in regards to Parkers or side by sides.

[King Brown]

One doesn't have to be a PGCA member to feel at home in its forums, Eric. The Association welcomes participants to the board, whether paying annual and life members or not. The Association makes no distinction regarding participation aside from identifying membership status with posts. I've been both, an annual member and (mistakenly) life member with words emblazoned in gold in 1993 when the current PGCA was formed.

Your obligation to believe me is clear, in your own words, "if and when I see you post to members questions about how to or what is this . . ." Firstly, I observe Association rules to not engage in politics. Secondly. I contribute about guns when I can, only last week on Chris Dawe's splendid project.

You are also wrong to make less of me as "not even a member of the PGCA" as if only continuing annual-paying PGCA members have standing in these forums. PGCA doesn't administer its mandate so narrowly of sharing information. I've accepted your understanding now, with thanks.

[Rick Losey]

ok

two countries - two traditions,
i doubt this is going to change any minds


and really----what the heck does this have to do with shotshell reloading

[Paul Harm]

King, in a previous post you said -" We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key. " I would rather " live in the circus south " any day and in any other country. Just so we understand, the international homicide rate is 4.9 per 100,000. The US rate is 2.9 per 100,000. We rate #28 in the world. I've seen your post on other boards and it's about the same as here. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep your Canadian guns views to yourself and sit back and watch the circus unfold between us Americans.

[Eric Eis]

King, in a previous post you said -" We're a different culture, a different country and, looking at the circus south these days, whatever Canada is the US isn't. Sticking together is key. " I would rather " live in the circus south " any day and in any other country. Just so we understand, the international homicide rate is 4.9 per 100,000. The US rate is 2.9 per 100,000. We rate #28 in the world. I've seen you post on other boards and it's about the same as here. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep your Canadian guns views to yourself and sit back and watch the circus unfold between us Americans.

Could not have said it better Paul.
I guess you and I just don't like ..... what's the word we are searching for , oh yeah "Troll". Mr Brown your add nothing to this board, you just stir the pot, and yes King I l looked at your previous posts and as I said before you have not added any information or asked/answered a legitimate question about Parkers or double guns on this board. What I have read about you on other boards I guess is true. And I just realized Mr. Brown that you sucessfully baited me into this argument so I will not respond to you on this thread anymore, and hopefully you will stay in Canada and keep your opinions about gun control in the US to yourself as this is the US and not Canada, and as I have said before you have no skin or rights in this game....

[King Brown]

Scroll back to the beginning of the thread, Eric and Paul, for differences of opinion about Canadian guns laws, assault rifles and hoarding for the apocalypse---and unfailing mutual respect for each other. It was you who apologized to the moderator for your remarks, Eric, and pledged to see things differently if I could prove you were wrong, which I did. I have contributed information here for 23 years and corresponded privately over a wide range of members' interests without an accusation of being a troll. And you describe yourself as the victim. Grade school stuff, eh?

[Paul Harm]

King, many of us feel very strongly about our 2nd Amendment rights. Especially the part " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It's worked for around 250 years and we don't see any reason to change it now. And we don't like progressives trying to chip away at our rights till they get what they want - NO GUNS. As said before, you have no dog in this fight, so the POLITE thing to do is not say anything. You're a Canadian, not an American, so it's not really any of your business. Thank you, I'm done.

[David Dwyer]

Paul
Thank you. very well said!
David

[John Campbell]

...you have no dog in this fight, so the POLITE thing to do is not say anything. You're a Canadian, not an American, so it's not really any of your business.

"Tempt not a desperate man"

- Wm. Shakespeare

[King Brown]

Paul, the Second is an enduring debate which I have followed for decades as a student of Canadian and US constitutional law---and my father as lecturer long before me. It's a divisive and emotional issue in your country with municipal, state and federal governance making of it as they see it. A couple Supreme Court appointments could change it either way. All active interests, from one point or another, are "chipping way" at the Amendment. To that extent it's not a sacred, inviolable document to originalists or those who believe otherwise.

Americans feel strongly about it, as you say. They express their feelings here. Without scrolling back "Here we go again", I don't think I mentioned the Second although I not only have a right but a perfect right to respond as I do on international board that makes a point of welcoming participation. It comes as no surprise to me at this particular US political juncture that a tiny rump of members wants a gag order, another wall, for Parker adherents beyond their borders. Countries that tried it ended in ordure and decay.

The opprobrium attached to the once world-popular term of Ugly American disappeared decades ago. There's nothing ugly about Americans. Their country is favourite after my own. Rudeness has no place on this board. I'm done, too. Kind regards, King

[Mark Ouellette]

Gentlemen,

As entertaining as this thread is I want everyone to back off a few notches. This thread become a political discussion which of course became heated. That is why political discussions are not allowed on this PGCA site.

Per the original subject of this thread, yes, I am a hoarder. In the words of Robert Leckie responding to Eugene Sledge's question of what higher power he believed in, "I believe in ammunition".

Have nice day!
Mark the Moderator

[Paul Harm]

You're right Mark, lots of ammo for my AR.:) Those 30 round mags eat it up in a hurry.:bigbye:

[Bruce Day]

The problem is not that King Brown is Canadian, its that he disagrees. Thats why the zealots here want to silence him. Had he agreed with their position, he would be hailed and lauded.

No room for different opinions here. Right thinking only is permitted. Now where did I put my 20mm Vulcan Gatling cannon....

[Kirk Mckinney]

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!

[Kirk Mckinney]

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!
P.S. That makes my Kimber MINE!!! lol

[Dean Romig]

I'm not sure if you gentlemen know this or not, but the government doesn't know if you own a gun or not. Much less the type. For instance if the police find a weapon that was used in a crime but don't know who it belong to. They first have to contact the manufacturer and see what wholesaler it was sold to, then they have to contact the wholesaler and see what retailer it was sold to, then they have to contact the retailer and see who they sold it to. Believe it or not its true. When you go to purchase a gun they run a criminal background check to see if your eligible or not......that's all. Research it you will find its so. And all retailers only have to keep the records of who bought what 20yrs. It also carries the same confidentiality status as your Federal Income Tax Return Statement.

See you in the field!!!!


Not necessarily so. Here in MA a copy of the transfer of ownership form (gun registration form) including the make, capacity, and serial number is sent to the Criminal Recoeds Division and is kept on file indefinitely. This probably varies from state to state but the ATF and FBI can access these records any time they so desire, and if that isn't government gun registration, I don't know what is.





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[Kirk Mckinney]

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
He also said the end retailer had to keep the records for 20yrs. then they shred them. If they do keep one where you live. Come on down here to Texas....Lots of room, great hunting and fishing.....

[Mills Morrison]

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. I ran this info by my son when I found it out and he said its as correct... He is a detective here in Texas and valedictorian of his academy..... Just had to say that cause it makes a dad proud.!!!

Also I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database....and none big enough to hold it all if there was. He claims there are about 300 to 350 million guns floating around. He did say that if they needed to trace a gun they had to do it as I stated above. In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.

That is good to know. Congratulations on your son!

[Kirk Mckinney]

Thanks...yeah I am proud of all 3 of my sons...as I'm sure everyone with a son or daughter is.


See you in the field!!!

Besides here in Texas it would be a mess if they tried to take peoples guns.....cause even the mailman is packing lol...There are little old ladies reloading magnum loads in their garages..... Going to the gun range is something else. If you can find parking.

[John Campbell]

... I just now called the Local field office of the ATF Here in North Texas and spoke to a field agent, he said there is no national database.... In fact he said its against the Law to have such a data base.
.....

Well. If the ATF said so...
That should end all the paranoia. Or Not:

[Mills Morrison]

ATF . . . .

[Paul Harm]

Bruce, you could have done better than " zealot ". When it comes to the 2nd Amendment, I'll wear that title proudly. The guys at the club will get a kick out of that new title seeing how they have lots of different names for me, none that I can say here. And now I can say we finally agree on something - thank you for the compliment.

[Dean Romig]

Well Kirk, a lot of things are against the law... like transmitting emails containing top secret information on a personal certain phone using a personal server with and then lying to the FBI about it.





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[Rick Losey]

Well
Im not sure about where you live... .I would check your facts. ...

he said there is no national database.....

i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread

[Eric Eis]

i expect Dean knows his facts- having lived and collected in Mass for - well at least a few years

he did not say it was a national database _ but a state one - the concept will spread

It certainly will, and when HC gets elected everyone better dive for cover....:eek: :crying: :banghead: It will be a hell of a lot more then a simple national database....!:cuss:

[Paul Harm]

Amen, amen.

[Kirk Mckinney]

Yeah you never know what our government was, is & has done. He did say some cities do something different. But he didn't say anything about states but like I said come on to Texas. I don't know about anyone else but when the end comes. I'm going to be with the Lord. An I'm sure he can take care of me till that day !!! I like the George carlin ad. Lol. Have a great weekend guys.

[Fred Preston]

I'm with Bruce on the 20mm spinner except I prefer it in the nose of an A10 and launching KE AP spent uranium; there is plenty of fireworks carried under wing to please me.

[Paul Harm]

If only I had the money - I'd buy a tank and park it in the front yard - pointing toward the road.

[Jeff Higgins]

Not necessarily so. Here in MA a copy of the transfer of ownership form (gun registration form) including the make, capacity, and serial number is sent to the Criminal Recoeds Division and is kept on file indefinitely. This probably varies from state to state but the ATF and FBI can access these records any time they so desire, and if that isn't government gun registration, I don't know what is.





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Dean is correct. It is the same here in Ct. Any firearm transaction needs to get a authorization number from the State Police firearms unit. Then a form DPS-3 with all the info of buyer,seller and the firearm is sent to both the State PD and to the buyers local PD. This also now has to be done on private sales as well not just purchases at a FFL dealer.

[King Brown]

As I understand it from this distance, Dean's right about data---in effect, registration---and all data is accessible to federal authorities, in effect a national database. Right?

While the US gun scene appears less restrictive than Canada's ---cc everywhere, footloose and fancy free--Canada's is significantly less onerous with sporting long-gun transactions.

Handguns are strictly regulated but in day-to-day buying and selling it's private business as long as each has passed a safety course and has possession and acquisition license.

Government doesn't know which guns I have, bought or sold. An earlier government introduced a registry but it was overturned with popular assent.

[Jeff Higgins]

Another interesting thing here in Ct. Many but not all PDs when they run a license plate it will show if that person has a pistol permit. They can also check what firearms they own because the DPS-3 where sent to them.
Last week a customer of ours was pulled over( tail light out) and when the Police Officer approached the vehicle and asked for his license and registration he remarked that our customer owned alot of firearms. Our customer a gentleman in his 70s replied that yes he does and that he is very active in cowboy action shooting and asked the officer if he ever wanted to join him he was welcome. The Cowboy action shooting ( rifle,shotgun and revolver) got me thinking about 3-gun ( AR type rifle,shotgun and pistol) and how similar they are. But I can easily see how some who have posted here would be accepting of the cowboy action shooting(they posted pictures of the pretty SAs they own) but would turn there nose up at 3-gun. To bad we are divided as gun owners. And some can't see the similarities. The firearms I like are the ones with triggers. I like some ( old shotguns) better than others but I surely don't look down my nose at you if your firearm hobby is different than mine.

[Kirk Mckinney]

I guess it is different state to state on registration for fire arms. Also a cop here can run your vehicle tags and know if you have a chl or not. Don't think he knows what you own though. Texas is pretty tuff on standing up for rights like gun laws. As a matter of fact Texas is suing the government over this gender bathroom stuff in schools. I will be the first to admit it's getting real squirrelly in some places. On a different note. Should I reload bismuth , Itx or nice shot. For ducks with my old sterlingworth ??? What do u guys think about which is best the duck hunting will be on stock ponds over decoys. Thanks

[Kirk Mckinney]

Ps. I guarantee the government has done things that nobody knows about. Just a thought.

[Mills Morrison]

Kent is producing bismuth now. Supposed to be a decent population of ducks this year

[Daryl Corona]

Tragically all my guns were lost in an offshore boat accident.:shock:

[Paul Harm]

That's too bad. What were all your guns doing in a boat ? I own over 50 guns and don't think they've ever been in one place [ like a boat ] at one time.

[Eric Eis]

That's too bad. What were all your guns doing in a boat ? I own over 50 guns and don't think they've ever been in one place [ like a boat ] at one time.

Paul you never know, What I mean is 10 ga, 12, and 16 ga for ducks and geese, and then you have 20 ga for teal and then you have 28 ga and 410 ga for shore birds that someitimes they fly off course.... And you have to have a high power rifle to protect you and your shipmates from shark attacks.. different calibers for the size of the shark....:shock: Yep that pretty much covers the group....:rolleyes: Next question....:rotf: If the boat goes down so do all of my guns......so sad !

[Mills Morrison]

Must've been a big boat

[Daryl Corona]

Must've been a big boat

Yes it was. My corporate yacht the SS Minnow. I did manage to save Ginger though.

[Eric Eis]

Yes it was. My corporate yacht the SS Minnow. I did manage to save Ginger though.

What about Mary Ann ! :eek:

[Rich Anderson]

I bet you'd let Mrs Howell drown while saving Ginger:whistle:

[Eric Eis]

I bet you'd let Mrs Howell drown while saving Ginger:whistle:

Let her hold on to that long barrel 20 gauge as he helped Ginger....!:eek: